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Old February 14th, 2008 (1:14 PM). Edited February 17th, 2008 by Outlawed.
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My new team.


Donphan @ Leftovers
Impish
252 HP/ 224 Def/ 32 Atk
-Ice Shard
-Stealth Rock
-Earthquake
-Rapid Spin
With this pokemon I want to set up stealth rock and maybe get some major damage on the opponent playing against me. Ice Shard plays well against dragons
and since Donphan is slow it gives me that first blow. Earthquake gets me that STAB

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Milotic @ Leftovers
Bold
212 Hp/144 Sp.def/94 Sp.atk/ 60 Def
-Surf
-HP [Electric]
-Rest
-Sleep Talk
Rest-Talk sounds like a good choice to go with Milotic, and I kinda have made it a mixed wall here hoping to take any hit. Also with Marvel Scale
Sleep Talk will boost my my deffence while I am asleep and it seems like it will play really well.

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Porygon-Z @ Choice Scarf/ Specs
Modest/Timid
Trait: Adaptability
252 Sp.atk/ 252 Spd/ 4 Hp
-Tri-Attack
-Thunder Bolt
-Ice Beam
-Dark Pulse

I really would try to get HP fighting, but I will work on breeding one with 31 IV's in spd and sp.atk. So Dark Pulse here. I like the speed scarf
offers and it can take care of almost anything. I have 2 porygons timid and modest with 31 iv's in spd and sp.atk so, HP fighting is not possible and I can run Scarf-Z or Specs-Z

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Weavile @ Choice Band
Jolly
252 Atk/252 Spd/6 Hp
-Ice Punch
-Night Slash
-Pursuit/ Ice Shard
-Brick Break
I know the speed is overkill and I like the speed. Pursuitfor getting rid of gengar that switches out because it realises it's too slow. Brick Break I like because it helps with steel types and I can maybe get decent damaga on a blissey with it. Also Speed ties let me attack first sometimes so why not.

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Garchomp @ Choice Scarf
252 Atk/ 234 Spd/ 32 Hp
-Dragon Claw
-Fire Fang
-Brick Break
-Earthquake

Scarfchomping.

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Dusknoir @ Leftovers
Careful
EVs: 252 HP, 84 Def, 174 Sp Def
-Pain Split
-Will o Wisp
-Shadow Sneak
-Fire Punch

Counters Hera and fighters that reck this team. Shadow Sneak + Pain split is awsomes.
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I cant stop for a full rate, but if milotics gonna be rest-talking marvel scales gonna be in effect a lot of the time, so send more of those EVs SpDef's way.
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My new team.
Donphan @ Leftovers
Impish
252 HP/ 224 Def/ 32 Atk
Ice Shard
Stealth Rock
Earthquake
Stone Edge/Rock Slide/Knock Off/Rest/Roar
With this pokemon I want to set up stealth rock and maybe get some major damage on the opponent playing against me. Ice Shard plays well against dragons
and since Donphan is slow it gives me that first blow. Earthquake gets me that STAB, but i'm not sure on Earthquake and Gyro Ball couldn't think
of anything else to be honest.
Bold lowers attack =(... Impish is probably what you were thinking of, and Donphan has better things to do then Gyro Ball, I have given some examples of that in the bold
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Milotic @ Leftovers
Bold
212 HP, 184 Sp Def, 114 Sp Atk
Surf
Ice Beam/HP Electric
Rest
Sleep Talk
Rest-Talk sounds like a good choice to go with Milotic, and I kinda have made it a mixed wall here hoping to take any hit. Also with Marvel Scale
Sleep Talk will boost my my deffence while I am asleep and it seems like it will play really well.
Resttalk Milo doesn't need as many (or any) Def EVs, as Marvel Scale already takes care of that, consider HP Electric so Gyarados doesn't see this as set up fodder
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Porgon-Z @ Choice Scarf
Modest
Trait: Adaptability
252 Sp.atk/ 252 Spd/ 4 Hp
Tri-Attack
Thunder Bolt
Ice Beam
Dark Pulse
I really would try to get HP fighting, but I will work on breeding one with 31 IV's in spd and sp.atk. So Dark Pulse here. I like the speed scarf
offers and it can take car of almost anything.
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Weavile @ Life Orb
Jolly
252 Atk/252 Spd/6 Hp
Ice Shard
Night Slash
Pursuit
Brick Break
I know the speed is overkill and I like the speed. Ice shard is to take care of the sacrfchomps and the dragon dancers. Pursuit
for getting rid of gengar that switches out because it realises it's too slow. Brick Break I like because it helps with steel types
and I can maybe get decent damaga on a blissey with it.
Prehaps a Choice Band for revenge killing, otherwise good
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Infernape @ Expert Belt
Naive
252 Spd, 212 Sp Atk, 40 Atk
Nasty Plot
Flamethrower
Grass Knot
Close Combat
I think this is quite standard, I didn't know Nape played like this with that much efficiency before I came here.
EVs were a bit wrong, don't need that many Atk EVs to OHKO Blissey with Close Combat
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Starmie @ Leftovers
Timid
252 Spd/ 214 Hp/44 Sp.atk
Rapid Spin
Thunder Bolt
Recover
Surf
I really wanted a special sweeper, but I didn't want to play blissey as not to expose myself to fighting attacks and especially Mach Punch.
One thing, Blissey is a special WALL not sweeper

I also didn't know if it would be good to play the rapid spin on the Donphan. I'm trying hard, plase be honest and bring on the constructive
critisism ^_^ I will need it.
Electivire could have potential to mow this team down, especially if Donphan falls early as it is your only defense against it (especially if he is on a Motor Drive boost). Choice Band revenge killing may be the way to go with Weavile to get over that huge weakness
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Wow I made some silly mistakes, Blissey sweeper hehe, I meant special wall sorry and Bold argh lol
i'm feeling dumb again. and What do you mean when you say revenge killing choice band?
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Hmm ok... so let's use the situation with Electivire, he comes in takes out your Starmie, so you send in Weavile, which will then hit a huge Night Slash backed by Choice Band to take the Electivire down.

That is revenge killing
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Hmm. Wouldn't life orb pack the same punch? or does choice band give more boost to it?
cause if they had the same effect, even though life orb takes some HP it will allow me to play better on whatever comes out next. However, I don't think any healthy trainer would send out something weak to Weavile so I'm gonna be forced to switch anyways.
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Life Orb 1.3x attack plus 10% recoil
Choice Band 1.5x attack, only allowed one move

Choice Band is prefered, as it is a harder punch. Life Orb is generally used when you have non attacking moves on the set, ie Swords Dance/Substitute, something on those lines
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I c, very tactical
thanks for the advice, time to fix it up again.
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Donphan @ Leftovers
Impish
252 HP/ 224 Def/ 32 Atk
Ice Shard
Stealth Rock
Earthquake
Rapid Spinner
With this pokemon I want to set up stealth rock and maybe get some major damage on the opponent playing against me. Ice Shard plays well against dragons
and since Donphan is slow it gives me that first blow. Earthquake gets me that STAB, but i'm not sure on Earthquake and Gyro Ball couldn't think
of anything else to be honest.

Many leads don't care if donphan is there and will set up SR in your face, especially Swampert. Fire back. Rapid Spin go go go!


Milotic @ Leftovers
Bold
212 Hp/184 Sp.def/114 Sp.atk
Surf
HP [Electric]
Rest
Sleep Talk
Rest-Talk sounds like a good choice to go with Milotic, and I kinda have made it a mixed wall here hoping to take any hit. Also with Marvel Scale
Sleep Talk will boost my my deffence while I am asleep and it seems like it will play really well.

but Milotic has a lousy 81 base defense. It needs defense EVs every time.


Porygon-Z @ Choice Scarf
Modest
Trait: Adaptability
252 Sp.atk/ 252 Spd/ 4 Hp
Tri-Attack
Thunder Bolt
Ice Beam
Dark Pulse
I really would try to get HP fighting, but I will work on breeding one with 31 IV's in spd and sp.atk. So Dark Pulse here. I like the speed scarf
offers and it can take car of almost anything.

Porygon-Z can do so many better things than the subpar Scarf set.


Weavile @ Choice Band
Jolly
252 Atk/252 Spd/6 Hp
Ice Shard
Night Slash
Pursuit
Brick Break
I know the speed is overkill and I like the speed. Ice shard is to take care of the sacrfchomps and the dragon dancers. Pursuit
for getting rid of gengar that switches out because it realises it's too slow. Brick Break I like because it helps with steel types
and I can maybe get decent damaga on a blissey with it.

Well you'd hope it would do decent damage on Blissey if it's your physical sweeper :0 Needs more choice Band.


Infernape @ Expert Belt
Naive
24 Atk / 232 Spd / 252 SAtk

Nasty Plot
Flamethrower
Grass Knot
Close Combat
I think this is quite standard, I didn't know Nape played like this with that much efficiency before I came here.

Better EVs for you. I've kind of come to the conclusion physical Infernape is better, but do what you want.


Starmie @ Leftovers
Timid
252 Spd/ 214 Hp/44 Sp.atk
Rapid Spin
Thunder Bolt
Recover
Surf
I really wanted a special sweeper, but I didn't want to play blissey as not to expose myself to fighting attacks and especially Mach Punch.

You can spin with Donphan and Porygon-Z and Milotic pretty much do what Starmie does. Replace it.

I also didn't know if it would be good to play the rapid spin on the Donphan. I'm trying hard, plase be honest and bring on the constructive
critisism ^_^ I will need it.
Get rid of starmie and bring in a special wall, as you're still torched by powerful special sweepers.
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Got it. About the Nape being physical, I used to think that before, why is it better @ physical though?
Will add a bit more Def EV's onto the Milo, and will get rid of starmie for.......
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Wait... 0_o

I though I was the only one who thinks physical Ape was best.



Also, Ice Punch is a better choice for Weavile. Donphan can take care of DDMence and ScarfChomp and you might as well have more oomph to your STAB attacks
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Wait... 0_o

I though I was the only one who thinks physical Ape was best.

Well everybody expects Mixape and you can DRILL several Mixape counters in one hit with physical Infernape, especially Starmie taking Thunderpunch to the chin (or whatever body part Starmie has)

Also, Ice Punch is a better choice for Weavile. Donphan can take care of DDMence and ScarfChomp and you might as well have more oomph to your STAB attacks
Good point on Ice Punch. He is right, and STAB Ice Punch is something that hurts skarm a lot believe it or not. Well, sorta. lol
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That Weavile looks like it's wanting to switch over to this
Weavile @ life Orb
Sowrds Dance
Night Slash
Brick Break
Ice Punch

should i let it, or do i keep pursuit and add ice punch with the choice band?
Also I think Ape should remain the same here.
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Mixape doesn't add anything to this team though.

SD Weavile sucks in all honesty. As in you should keep Weavile the same.
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Allright I see, so we need something to add more power to this. hmm. Since we decided ice punhc is better, would a SpecMence or ScarfChomp fo do the trick? Both can carr y brick break, both can take care of big ugly steel types
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Inferanpe WILL walk over steel types that may get in your way if you manage to switch in. ScarfChomp is really overrated in all honesty, as is SpecsMence. Neither really fit in IMO. What you need a ground resist...like a flyer or levitator or something O_o
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Yanmega?? I would love to play it cause it's leik my favourite poke.(notice leik lol)
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I don't get it ._.

what you need is a special wall though. I swear, Zapdos is licking its chops for teams like this one.
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oh you ment levitating special wall.... hmmm
How about Togekiss. He has decent Defense and nice sp.def, so maybe we can get him to be another mixed more to the side of special wall. I'm thinking bold. 224 sp.def/164 Hp/ 124 Def
Or I could ignore defense and run with more HP and less sp.atk?
However, with the arrival of Togekiss and it's high special attack. Infernape is asking to be booted out of there. I really think ScarfChomp will do really nicely here and this is why:
Although it's much overrated, @ adamant nature, ScarfChomp can help deal with many threats almost instantly. it will help get rid of Electivires which just by looking at this I can tell can plow through the team. Also, nice little quick Weaviles without Ice Shard will not survive infront of it, I also thing with high attack, it can deal a quite high amount of damage to Skarmory and Bronzong alike.
I might be wrong on this, but it seems benficial here, and I dont see really what a disadvantage maybe other than exposing my self to Electivire which shouldn't be a problem with the Choice Scarf.
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Yummi T_S that is a nice move set and loving the spread. Flinch the attacker! xD
ok I think the party is shaping up now. *edits*
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Donphan @ Leftovers
Impish
252 HP/ 224 Def/ 32 Atk
Ice Shard
Stealth Rock
Earthquake
Rapid Spin
With this pokemon I want to set up stealth rock and maybe get some major damage on the opponent playing against me. Ice Shard plays well against dragons
and since Donphan is slow it gives me that first blow. Earthquake gets me that STAB

Ok.

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Milotic @ Leftovers
Bold
212 Hp/144 Sp.def/94 Sp.atk/ 60 Def
Surf
HP [Electric]
Rest
Sleep Talk
Rest-Talk sounds like a good choice to go with Milotic, and I kinda have made it a mixed wall here hoping to take any hit. Also with Marvel Scale
Sleep Talk will boost my my deffence while I am asleep and it seems like it will play really well.

Fine.

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Porygon-Z @ Choice Scarf / Choice Specs
Modest / Timid
Trait: Adaptability
252 Sp.atk/ 252 Spd/ 4 Hp
Tri-Attack
Thunder Bolt
Ice Beam
Dark Pulse / HP Fighting
I really would try to get HP fighting, but I will work on breeding one with 31 IV's in spd and sp.atk. So Dark Pulse here. I like the speed scarf
offers and it can take car of almost anything.

Don't much like scarf-Z, but If you want something fast... btw, you cannot get a HP Fighting pokemon with 31 IV's in Sp. Atk, Sp. Def or speed...

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Weavile @ Choice Band
Jolly
252 Atk/216 Spd/40 Hp
Ice Punch
Night Slash
Ice Shard
Brick Break
I know the speed is overkill and I like the speed. Pursuitfor getting rid of gengar that switches out because it realises it's too slow. Brick Break I like because it helps with steel types and I can maybe get decent damaga on a blissey with it.

Speed ties help no-one, so run that plesh, and Ice shard over Pursuit for Scarfchomp.

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Garchomp @ Choice Scarf
252 Atk/ 224 Spd/ 32 Hp
Dragon Claw
Fire Blast
Brick Break
Earthquake

Scarchomping.

Fire Blast for Skarm Please.

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Trait: Serene Grace
Thunder Wave
Air Slash
Roost
Aura Sphere

Plays nicely as a special wall bocking some of that attacks. What bothers me still is that BoltBeam owns it :\

Fine

I also didn't know if it would be good to play the rapid spin on the Donphan. I'm trying hard, plase be honest and bring on the constructive
critisism ^_^ I will need it.
Rapid Spin is definate on Donphan. You need it, because Togekiss and Weavile are both weak to SR, and lose 25% on the switch, which is bad! ;)

You have a ScarfTran weakness. It outspeeds everything other than Scarf-Z, and without HP Fighting, you won't be able to OHKO it, before you say goodbye. Your only hope is to expect an Earth Power and switch in Togekiss...

~T_S

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Fire Blast sucks on ScarfChomp :/

T_S you do realize Milotic stops Heatran cold?
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Yeah, teh fire blast dont work on scarfchomp. I also don't know whay you put down weavile's and garchomp's speed o.o?
Please explain
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