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Old February 16th, 2008 (8:09 PM). Edited February 16th, 2008 by Ayano Katagiri.
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Porygonz @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 4 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Modest nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Tri Attack
- Thunderbolt
- Dark Pulse
- Ice Beam
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Dusknoir (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP/80 Def/176 SDef
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Will-o-wisp
- Pain Split
- Fire Punch
- Shadow Sneak
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Electivire (♂) @ Expert Belt
Ability: Motor Drive
EVs: 252 Atk/176 Spd/80 SAtk
Lonely nature (+Atk, -Def)
- Cross Chop
- Earthquake
- Ice Punch
- Thunderbolt
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Gliscor (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/6 Atk
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Ice Fang
- Stealth Rock
- Roost
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Cresselia (♀) @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP/56 Def/200 SDef
Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Grass Knot
- Calm Mind
- Rest
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And now in need of one more.

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Just a little something I want to try out, I'm getting of my old team even if it does work well enough. I think I'm going a bit over with the Special Attacks and something just doesn't seem right for me (probably because I've never used any of these before). But what do you think?
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Old February 16th, 2008 (8:26 PM).
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You have no reliable form of physical walling at all which means that you're weak to half the metagame. That's no fun.

Also please tell me lonely was a typo on Porygon-Z...
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Old February 16th, 2008 (8:29 PM).
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You have no reliable form of physical walling at all which means that you're weak to half the metagame. That's no fun.

Also please tell me lonely was a typo on Porygon-Z...
Yeah, I knew something was going to be wrong...

It was a typo.
Should have been Timid. I'm too tired.... x.x
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Old February 16th, 2008 (8:32 PM).
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Yeah well you might want to take off Silk Scarf.

Togekiss is dead weight here. FlinchHax togekiss is total garbage and it sucks. Put in a good physical wall for it.
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Old February 16th, 2008 (8:33 PM).
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Yeah well you might want to take off Silk Scarf.

Togekiss is dead weight here. FlinchHax togekiss is total garbage and it sucks. Put in a good physical wall for it.
O_o I think I forgot to change some things when I exported the file...
Life Orb?

Rhyperior then?
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Old February 16th, 2008 (8:37 PM).
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Porygonz @ Choice Specs/Scarf
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 4 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Modest nature (+Atk, -Def)
- Tri Attack
- Nasty Plot
- Dark Pulse
- Ice Beam

I'm assuming you forgot to change Lonely nature.

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Dusknoir (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP/52 Def/204 SDef
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Will-o-wisp
- Pain Split
- Thunderpunch / Brick Break
- Shadow Sneak

I like BB for it's coverage.

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Electivire (♂) @ Expert Belt / Life Orb
Ability: Motor Drive
EVs: 252 Atk/176 Spd/80 SAtk
Lonely nature (+Atk, -Def)
- Cross Chop
- Earthquake
- Ice Punch
- Thunderbolt

OK, but I like all Physical.

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Starmie @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 172 HP/216 Spd/120 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Thunderbolt
- Surf
- Recover
- Rapid Spin

Sure.

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Togekiss (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP/252 SDef/6 Def
Bold nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Air Slash
- Aura Sphere
- Roost
- Thunder Wave

Togekiss wants BULK over SPEED.

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Cresselia (♀) @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP/56 Def/200 SDef
Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Psychic
- Calm Mind
- Rest

Charge Beam AND CM is redundant. Moonlight is VERY unreliable. Use Rest with Beller support. Coincidence: That's EXACTLY the same EV spread I used to use.

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Just a little something I want to try out, I'm getting of my old team even if it does work well enough. I think I'm going a bit over with the Special Attacks and something just doesn't seem right for me (probably because I've never used any of these before). But what do you think?
You don't have any reliable walls (the two you do have are leaning towards Mixed). May I present.....

Snorlax @ Leftovers
Careful - Thick Fat
244 HP/236 SDEF/28 DEF
Crunch
Body Slam
Rest
Sleep Talk

AND

Tangrowth @ Leftovers
Impish - Thick Fat
252 HP/252 DEF/6 ATK
Power Whip
Leech Seed
Stun Spore/Sleep Powder
Knock Off/Morning Sun (Very risky, but you can use it if you want).

Hera mows through this team once Noir is gone. Therefore, you should consider......

Gliscor @ Leftovers
Impish - Sand Veil
252 HP/252 DEF/6 ATK
EQ
Ice Fang/Aerial Ace
SR
Roost

Solid team overall, but has some weaks that need patching up.
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Old February 16th, 2008 (8:38 PM).
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Porygonz @ Choice Scarf/ Wise Glasses
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 4 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Modest nature
- Tri Attack
- Nasty Plot
- Dark Pulse
- Ice Beam

Why would you give Porygon-Z a + Atk nature when he doesn't have a physical move on him? Anyway, if Porygon is your lead, get a Scarf to outspeed other leads or that epileptic duck will be eating the Recycle Bin. Silk Scarf only raises the power of Normal moves, so it has little versitility. If you really want the marginal increase in power, go with Wise Glasses or Choice Specs. Just get a new lead if you do.

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Dusknoir (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP/76 Def/180 SDef
Careful nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Will-o-wisp
- Pain Split
- Thunderpunch
- Shadow Sneak

I love Dusknoir. Put a bit more focus into Dusk's SDef, though- with Will-o-Wisp, Dusk doesn't have to worry much about physical attacks.

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Electivire (♂) @ Expert Belt
Ability: Motor Drive
EVs: 252 Atk/176 Spd/80 SAtk
Lonely nature (+Atk, -Def)
- Cross Chop
- Earthquake
- Ice Punch
- Thunderbolt

Looks good.

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Starmie @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 172 HP/216 Spd/120 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Thunderbolt
- Surf
- Recover
- Rapid Spin

Looks good to me.

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Togekiss (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 4 HP/252 SDef/252 SAtk
Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Air Slash
- Aura Sphere
- Roost
- Thunder Wave

I hate Togekiss. Seriously. Take off all of Kiss' Speed EVs- if her opponent is paralyzed, she should be able to outrun them even without any investment. Instead, focus on her defenses.

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Cresselia (♀) @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP/56 Def/200 SDef
Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Charge Beam
- Calm Mind
- Rest

[b]No Moonlight. You can't see the moon in a Sandstorm. I'm not a Cressy expert, but the rest of the set needs heavy retooling as well.
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Just a little something I want to try out, I'm getting of my old team even if it does work well enough. I think I'm going a bit over with the Special Attacks and something just doesn't seem right for me (probably because I've never used any of these before). But what do you think?
This is a just a quick rate- I need to take a better look to give a full rate.

EDIT: Yeah, take out Kiss for a good physical wall, and take out Cressy or Dusknoir for a good Special one. If you take out Dusknoir, you may want to take out Starmie as well, since you don't have anyone weak to SR, and you have a Levitator.
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Old February 16th, 2008 (8:40 PM).
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Porygonz @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 4 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Modest nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Tri Attack
- Thunderbolt
- Dark Pulse
- Ice Beam
I'm still smart enough to know that 29 things outspeed PoryZ and knock the hell out of it.
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Dusknoir (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP/80 Def/176 SDef
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Will-o-wisp
- Pain Split
- Fire Punch
- Shadow Sneak
Since Heracross is an even bigger ******* than Gyarados, then concentrate on that instead.
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Electivire (♂) @ Expert Belt
Ability: Motor Drive
EVs: 252 Atk/176 Spd/80 SAtk
Lonely nature (+Atk, -Def)
- Cross Chop
- Earthquake
- Ice Punch
- Thunderbolt
Whatever.
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Starmie @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 172 HP/216 Spd/120 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Thunderbolt
- Surf
- Recover
- Rapid Spin
You need a more Defensive Rapid Spinner. Starmie isn't going to survive.
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Togekiss (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 4 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Air Slash
- Aura Sphere
- Roost
- Thunder Wave
Needs Defensive EVs. Speed not required because of Thunder Wave.
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Cresselia (♀) @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP/56 Def/200 SDef
Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Grass Knot
- Calm Mind
- Moonlight
The heck? Charge Beam AND Calm Mind on the same set?
Grass Knot instead, hombre.

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Just a little something I want to try out, I'm getting of my old team even if it does work well enough. I think I'm going a bit over with the Special Attacks and something just doesn't seem right for me (probably because I've never used any of these before). But what do you think?
Tyranitar = Raise a lot of hell on your team
Get some hard-hitting Earthquake / Close Combat action for your team, or some really reliable walls. Lose Starmie for another Rapid Spinner. Also, Status infliction screws your team.
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Old February 16th, 2008 (8:50 PM).
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Why would you give Porygon-Z a + Atk nature when he doesn't have a physical move on him?
I hate typos... like I said before, I was copying the layout thing.

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How's this now? I think I've added all the changes.

Porygonz @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 4 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Modest nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Tri Attack
- Thunderbolt
- Dark Pulse
- Ice Beam
---
Dusknoir (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP/80 Def/176 SDef
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Will-o-wisp
- Pain Split
- Fire Punch
- Shadow Sneak
---
Electivire (♂) @ Expert Belt
Ability: Motor Drive
EVs: 252 Atk/176 Spd/80 SAtk
Lonely nature (+Atk, -Def)
- Cross Chop
- Earthquake
- Ice Punch
- Thunderbolt
---
Gliscor (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/6 Atk
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Ice Fang
- Stealth Rock
- Roost
---
Cresselia (♀) @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP/56 Def/200 SDef
Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Grass Knot
- Calm Mind
- Rest
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What would be a better spinner than Starmie for this?
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I hate typos... like I said before, I was copying the layout thing.
In my defense, 5 posts popped up before I finished typing. I didn't see anything about a typo.

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What would be a better spinner than Starmie for this?
There are very few good Spinners- Donphan is the only other one I can think of. Luckily, your team doesn't have much to fear from SR, so you don't need a Spinner too much.
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Mach Punch/Triple Kick
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Old February 16th, 2008 (9:02 PM).
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In my defense, 5 posts popped up before I finished typing. I didn't see anything about a typo.

There are very few good Spinners- Donphan is the only other one I can think of. Luckily, your team doesn't have much to fear from SR, so you don't need a Spinner too much.
Okay.

Right, then I'll need a different one for my last slot.

Not really sure what though. =\
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You don't have any reliable walls (the two you do have are leaning towards Mixed). May I present.....

Snorlax @ Leftovers
Careful - Thick Fat
244 HP/236 SDEF/28 DEF
Crunch
Body Slam
Rest
Sleep Talk

AND

Tangrowth @ Leftovers
Impish - Thick Fat
252 HP/252 DEF/6 ATK
Power Whip
Leech Seed
Stun Spore/Sleep Powder
Knock Off/Morning Sun (Very risky, but you can use it if you want).

Hera mows through this team once Noir is gone. Therefore, you should consider......

Gliscor @ Leftovers
Impish - Sand Veil
252 HP/252 DEF/6 ATK
EQ
Ice Fang/Aerial Ace
SR
Roost

Solid team overall, but has some weaks that need patching up.
This team laughs at Heracross...giving gliscor is overkill extreme. Also the walling is fine if a physical wall were there. gliscor only makes this team weaker.

also making Togekiss into a mega-bulky pokemon never works and makes it suck. Brick break also sucks on dusknoir really bad since you can't hit anything you're trying to counter.

Seriously this team needs a not-Glsicor wall. Skarmory fits really well here so I'd recommend that as it's great with dusknoir.

As for special walling you'll want to heavily EV Cress with SDef and HP if it's your special wall. You're pretty screwed by anything with Pursuit so that's trouble.
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This team laughs at Heracross...giving gliscor is overkill extreme. Also the walling is fine if a physical wall were there. gliscor only makes this team weaker.

also making Togekiss into a mega-bulky pokemon never works and makes it suck. Brick break also sucks on dusknoir really bad since you can't hit anything you're trying to counter.

Seriously this team needs a not-Glsicor wall. Skarmory fits really well here so I'd recommend that as it's great with dusknoir.

As for special walling you'll want to heavily EV Cress with SDef and HP if it's your special wall. You're pretty screwed by anything with Pursuit so that's trouble.
But the only thing that can stop Cross is the Scarf-Z. (And by the way, I did the team rate back when the Z had Silk Scarf).
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But the only thing that can stop Cross is the Scarf-Z. (And by the way, I did the team rate back when the Z had Silk Scarf).
Dusknoir counters all but SD Heracross easily. SD Heracross kills everything except Gliscor but that's why we can send in a random sweeper and scare it off while it sets up.
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