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Old February 18th, 2008 (2:17 PM). Edited February 18th, 2008 by Darkgale.
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6 Hp 252 Sp.Att 252 Speed
Air Slash
Focus Blast
Flamethrower
Overheat

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6 Hp 252 Att 252 Speed
Ice Punch
Night Slash
Iron Tail
Shadow Claw

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6 Hp 252 Att 252 Def
Zen Headbutt
Meteor Mash
Hammer Arm
Explosion

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6 Hp 252 Att 252 Speed
Psychic
Future Sight
Grass knot
Morning Sun

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6 Hp 252 Att 252 Sp. Def
X Scissor
Leaf Blade
Psyco Cut
Close combat

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60 Hp 225 Att 225 Def
Substitute
Focus Punch
Stone Edge
Earthquake
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Old February 18th, 2008 (3:16 PM).
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Where are the Natures? Don't tell me you didn't breed for Natures.

Anyway, WHOAH. Overkill on the choice sweepers. ONE Choice sweeper is enough for a team- two at the most, if one is Scarfed. You need some walls, badly. Drop Espeon, Charizard, and Gallade for some walls. As for the rest of your team...

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Jolly
40 Hp 252 Att 216 Speed
Ice Punch
Night Slash
Swords Dance
Brick Break

Iron Tail? No. Let's go with SD Weavile here. Just make sure to not make this guy your lead.

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Adamant
6 Hp 252 Att 252 Def
Earthquake
Meteor Mash
Thudner Punch
Explosion

Metagross actually likes Choice Band. Zen Headbutt sucks, and Meta only needs 1 STAB since he's Choiced. Hammer Arm isn't that great either, so go with Thunderpunch.

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252 Hp 6 Att 252 Def
Substitute
Focus Punch
Stone Edge
Earthquake

Hmm... looks alright. Rhyperior needs Max HP and Def, though.
This team could use a bit more help, but I'm not exactly the one to give it. Let's wait until Anti or Sims gets here.
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Old February 18th, 2008 (3:27 PM).
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couldnt gallade serve as a Sp Def wall as it has 115 as its base?
And just another question...why is a rapid spinner so important?

Sorry im new to the whole Wi-Fi battling thing.
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Old February 18th, 2008 (3:32 PM).
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couldnt gallade serve as a Sp Def wall as it has 115 as its base?
Not really, since he also has 68 base HP. He can be a Sp. Tank, though, if you max out his HP. You can put him in if you like, just not with the set you posted.

And just another question...why is a rapid spinner so important?
Rapid Spinners spin away Spikes and Stealth Rock, which cause residual damage every time a Poke switches in. It's only really necessary for teams that have Pokemon that are weak to it.

Sorry im new to the whole Wi-Fi battling thing.
No problem. We all start somewhere.
If you want to put in Gallade, try this set:

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244 HP / 160 Atk / 104 Spe
~ Hypnosis
~ Will-O-Wisp / Thunder Wave
~ Close Combat
~ Night Slash / Psycho Cut
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Old February 18th, 2008 (3:35 PM).
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So if i were to keep gallade, what would its moveset be?
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So if i were to keep gallade, what would its moveset be?
I have a tendency to edit my posts a lot. Look up. :P
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Old February 18th, 2008 (3:49 PM).
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Where are the natures?? 4 choice sweepers, you only need 1 or 2.
Also Rhyperior needs HP more than he needs air.

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40 Hp 252 Att 216 Speed
Ice Punch
Pursuit
Brick Break
Airal Ace

Assuming You want to run the standard set

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Adamant
6 Hp 252 Att 252 Def
Earthquake
Meteor Mash
Thunder Punch
Explosion

and also your team lacks walls, so the best pokemon to get rid of for walls is Charizard Gallade and espeon. Some physical walls are Skymory, Forrtress (which will also act as a rapid spinner) and regirock. Some special walls are regice, milotic and blissey. You could also use spiritomb or registeel as your mixed walls. (I like the Regis)
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so gallade is my sp wall and rypherior is my phys wall weavile is my phys sweeper and metagross is a wall/ phys sweeper. so i need a sp sweeper, would any of these work?

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Dark pulse
Dragon pulse
Aura sphere
Shadow Ball

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6 Hp 252 Sp att 252 Speed
Recover
Calm Mind
Psychic
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Psychic
Future Sight
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Morning Sun

Then id also add dolphan or foretress as a rapid spinner.
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First, Gallade is not a Wall. He's a tank. He can take a few hits, but he can't switch in on a Poke and stop it from doing a thing. There's a HUGE difference.
Also, JESUS CHRIST there are other items besides Choice items. Speaking of which, Calm Mind and Recover on a Choice Specs Alakazam? Come on.

First, you need a lead. You could try Porygon-Z.

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252 SAtk/ 252 Spd/ 6 HP
-Tri-Attack
-Thunderbolt
-Ice Beam
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A mix between a wall and a sweeper is called a tank. Gallade doesn't make a very good special wall because of it's mediocore HP and lack of recovery move , Blissey or Milotic would probably be better. Lucario would probably be the best of the 3 for the special sweepers although alakazam has better speed and sp.atk it wouldn't be able to switch into anything. MY personal favorites are Azelf and Porygon-Z.

Also the natures for those 3 is modest

Here's the moveset for forrtress

Forrtress @ Leftovers/ Shed shell
Nature: Relaxed
- Toxic Spikes / Spikes
- Gyro Ball / EQ
- Rapid Spin
- Explosion

Edit: Jeez what next, choice specs on blissey!!
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ok now i just have to wait till the mansion dude says he saw a porygon in his backyard.
So far i have
Porygon Z
Gallade
Rypherior
Metagross
Weavile
Dolphan/Fortress (Which one would better compliment my current team?)
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Forretress looks like a better candidate, but you really need to take out Weavile for a Special Wall.
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Old February 18th, 2008 (4:26 PM).
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Ok about the forretress but if i took weavile out, i wouldnt have a phys sweeper and all id have is my metagross/gallade but they arnt sweepers just tanks.
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Ok about the forretress but if i took weavile out, i wouldnt have a phys sweeper and all id have is my metagross.
Actually, you'd also have Gallade, who's has 125 Base Attack and Close Combat. Plus, Metagross is powerful as hell too.
But on the other hand, you are right in that you won't have anyone speedy who can attack physically, so you may want to take out Metagross for the Sp. Wall and keep Weavile in (And possibly give Weavile a Choice Band. I'm not sure, I've never used him).
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Too much sweep. You need some walls up there.
Iron Tail on Wevile? I guess it's a working process
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For the sp wall i could bring dusknoir in, not sure about the EV spread as it would serve as both a phys and sp wall. Maybe 252 sp def 252 def and 6 hp with destiny bond, painsplit, will-o-wisp and mean look? or maybe swap one of those moves with night shade?

How would a slaking be with max EVs in hp and att?
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Ew, horrible moveset. The proper moveset is:

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Careful
252 HP/ 78 Def/ 180 SDef
-Fire Punch/ Thunderpunch
-Shadow Sneak
-Will-o-Wisp
-Pain Split

And for the record, Dusknoir is a mixed wall- he walls both sides of the spectrum, but not as well as a wall of a specific type would. If you want a Special Wall, you can't go wrong with Blissey.

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252 HP/ 252 Def/ 6 SDef
-Seismic Toss
-Thunder Wave/ Toxic
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Just so you know, Aerial Ace is a disgrace on weavile.

Otherwise listen to a.c. here.

Seriously though you need some walls. You know, bglissey, Snorlax, Dusknoir, Skarmory, Hippowdon, Forretress, Donphan, Milotic, Swampert...etc.

And for future reference you only need one or two Choice Sweepers.

Also if you're going to use Rhyperior as a defensive tank then subpunching with it while zapping its HP is a bad idea. Needs more roar/SR IMO
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So how many walls do i need? Just 2 right? one for Phys and one for Sp.?
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3 is a good number. A mixed wall really does help, with things, and maybe a tank on the side. A team needs to be balanced.
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Old February 18th, 2008 (5:16 PM). Edited February 18th, 2008 by Darkgale.
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so...so far we have this going?

[email protected] Leftovers
Careful
252 HP/ 78 Def/ 180 SDef
-Fire Punch/ Thunderpunch
-Shadow Sneak
-Will-o-Wisp
-Pain Split

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Bold
252 HP/ 252 Def/ 6 SDef
-Seismic Toss
-Thunder Wave/ Toxic
-Softboiled
-Aromatherapy

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Modest
252 SAtk/ 252 Spd/ 6 HP
-Tri-Attack
-Thunderbolt
-Ice Beam
-Dark Pulse

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Adamant
6 Hp 252 Att 252 Def
Earthquake
Meteor Mash
Thudner Punch
Explosion

And maybe...this as my mixed wall

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6 Hp 252 Def. 252 Sp def.
Toxic
Explosion
Block
(Something else not sure yet)

Still missing a phys sweeper, maybe:

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252 Att 6 Def 252 Speed(maybe not a good phys sweeper since its base speed is only 75)
Crabhammer
Swords Dance
X Scissor
Dig? ( not sure about this one)
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Scarf Porygon-Z is totally inferior to Specs and Nasty Plot sets. Even double-STAB Tri attack doesn't do much from a Scarf Porygon-Z while Specs Pory Z will 2HKO a freaking snorlax O_O
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WOHOHOHOHO!!!

I liked the Choice sweepers that were there before

This reminds me of the Choice idem team, I ran across Shoddy some time ago.



Also, how come all your EV spreads are 4/252/252? O_o
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Yea i was going for a choice sweeper team before until i found out that i wouldnt get very far with that in a real battle any good ideas for a phys sweeper tho?
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Physical Sweeper? I would say Choice Band Salamence but enough CBers...

SD Garchomp is your best bet, and Aerodactyl if you like speed demons. Also Medicham's Focus Punch hurts REALLY bad but is generally a Scarfer/CBer so never mind.

Uh, SD Heracross is actually pretty good and works well.
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