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Originally Posted by Anti-Pop
How many neutral Garchomps are out there? Seriously ._.
There are quite a few on shoddy ive seen actually. Mainly be used on the SUB Bright Powder Swords Dance sets.
Predicting switch-ins is very easy once you've scouted for awhile, nothing can survive Tri Atatck more than once except those that resist it and hardcore special walls, and we have Nasty Plot for that. Very few of what I mentioned can take a Tri attack will outspeed Porygon-Z.
So, once youve killed something, your gonna switch out ? due to getting outsped. Porygon-z CANNOT switch in for crap, it cant afford to keep coming back in, once your in OUTSPEED and do as much damage as possible.
Heracross doesn't have sweeping speed either, yet people run Adamant CB Heracross, which is a very good set BTW. LO Tri Attack has power like those CB attacks, only you can choose your attacks and have Nasty Plot. IMO, it's a special version of CBcross that is improved.
hera different, its more bulky and can actually take a hit when it comes in. Porygon -z can not due to lack of resistances.
Timid doesn't help Porygon-Z, it might outspeed a lot of things it can't with Modest, but most of those can't switch in and many are rarely seen anyways. For me, the Z is all abouit power. When I used Timid it was outperformed by Modest. Pory Z is one of those sweepers I actually use (or when I actually went on shoddy), Modest really has outperformed Timid, at least for me.
Sorry, but how does timid not help ? You have nasty plot and a Life Orb on your dam set, it needs the speed not the power. Things are gonna wall the dude either way, its what comes in after. It they send in Salamence, Elecitivire and god knows what else is in that base 90 and 100 speed area your gonna have to switch out and lose your nasty plots.
Sorry, but I've always thought speed is overrated and I think it's true here more than ever. Porygon-Z is slow either way, you might as well make other things switching into it take 70% from Tri Attack, and you can wall whatever that threat is if it's so fast, and then come back in and all of a sudden that isn't a safe switch anymore.
How is it overated, in a speed orientated metagame =/
What I'm saying is that Modest > Timid basically because Timid has no benefits I really care about, and I don't think anybody else should really care about outspeeding neutral Garchomp, who is extremely rare.
Apart from outspeeding all base 100 neutral nature speed pokemon.
I always enjoy a good, civilized argument though :) I don't really think we can prove each other wrong, so maybe we should just shut up with our differences of opinion, lol :P
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Tier 2 (90 to <110 base speed)
* 306 - +nature/252 Moltres, Lucario, Pikachu,
PorygonZ, Roserade, Zangoose (90)
Tier 3 (70 to <90 base speed)
* 303 - 252 Garchomp (102)
* 299 - 252
Zapdos, Celebi, Slaking,
Flygon, Salamence, Jirachi, Regigigas,
Staraptor Manaphy, Shaymin(100)
* 295 - +nature/252
Heracross, Suicune, Kingdra (85)
* 289 - 252 Houndoom, Jynx, Drapion,
Yanmega, Leafeon, Gliscor, Uxie,
Electivire (95)
* 287 - +nature/252 Gyarados (81)
* 284 - +nature/252
Dragonite, Blaziken, Gardevoir, Medicham, Mesprit,Togekiss,
Mamoswine (80)
* 279 - 252 Moltres,
Lucario, Pikachu,
PorygonZ, Roserade, Zangoose (90)
Ive bolded all the important dudes that it will be outrunning with timid.
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