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Old April 8th, 2008 (11:46 AM).
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I completely agree with Anti's side of the argument.

In a way, Specsmence doesn't have Timid, it has Modest, so I guess that's a fair comparison.
urrmm, specsmence doesnt need Timid, this is 100% different, Timid outspeeds nothing of particular threat to Mence. Besides the dude needs all the power.

Porygon-z however actually needs the speed, why would you choose not to outspeed all base 100 pokemon ?


Garchomp may be Uber here temporarily, however its not on Shoddy OR Smogon yet.


As i see it, you already have Nasty Plot and a Life Orb, why you need more power that modest grants baffles me, when you could have bags more speed for small sp.att drop, but even thats a moot again due to Nasty Plot and the Life Orb.


You even disagreed with me for using Modest Specs star, you said "it needs the speed", why is it any different here ?


Meh whatever, if your using Modest at least use Agility..
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Old April 8th, 2008 (11:48 AM).
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I have to agree. I've used both Modest and Timid Nasty Plot-Z and Timid was by far superior. It NEEDS that speed. I've been outsped by Pokemon I would of outrun with Timid and been KO'd.
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Old April 8th, 2008 (11:54 AM).
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Starmie has 115 base speed, so it can actually outspeed things. The extra power doesn't really help it much either. So, there's a very big difference.

Really, I prefer hitting my switch-ins harder rather than faster (as speed doesn't matter when something switches in). Remember, I play stall ball, and wearing down opposing sweepers is just what stall ball does. In that regard, speed is of very little importance.

EDIT: Nobody ever agrees with me :)

But really, my experiences have been the total opposite, Modest far outclassed Timid.

Again, I am going to say it is based mostly on the style in which you use Porygon-Z. I use everything kind of in a funky fashion, but for me it has never needed speed.
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Old April 8th, 2008 (11:57 AM).
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[email protected] Choice Specs(eved in spAtk252/spe252/hp4)
Timid
Energy Ball
Sludge Bomb
Shadow Ball
growth


Growth with Specs o_0 lol

Anyways, i lurv roserade =)


[email protected] SPecs
4 HP / 252 Sp.A / 252 Speed
Timid Nature
Trait : natural Cure
- Leaf Storm
- Shadow Ball / Energy Ball
- Sludge Bomb
- Hidden power Fire


To say this is beastly is an understatement, Leaf Storm REALLY hurts, it outdamages specs mences Draco meteor =o

Your choice on that second slot, Shadow Ball grants more neutral coverage and for stuff like Gengar who resists both Grass and Poison. Energy Ball lets you have an attack for the late game without cutting your sp.att.

Sludge Bomb gets STAB

Hidden power Fire For steels. <<if you cant get this just put whichever move from the second slot you didnt choose here.
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Old April 8th, 2008 (12:00 PM).
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Starmie has 115 base speed, so it can actually outspeed things. The extra power doesn't really help it much either. So, there's a very big difference.

Really, I prefer hitting my switch-ins harder rather than faster (as speed doesn't matter when something switches in). Remember, I play stall ball, and wearing down opposing sweepers is just what stall ball does. In that regard, speed is of very little importance.

EDIT: Nobody ever agrees with me :)

But really, my experiences have been the total opposite, Modest far outclassed Timid.

Again, I am going to say it is based mostly on the style in which you use Porygon-Z. I use everything kind of in a funky fashion, but for me it has never needed speed.
Agreed on the bolded statement.

For me, like Anti, I prefer power > speed.

However, it depends on if it needs speed or not. Starmie, like Anti, said, has 115 base speed, so it doesn't really need it.

Speaking of switching, you'll want that to be occuring when you're using NP, or GG PoryZ.
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Believe it or not I actually prefer Modest on Roserade too, but I don't have nearly the argument to back that up :P Hey, I like this...it shows how diverse we all are in our opinions and styles, lol. I'm just...not a speed guy, lol.

But yeah, Azelf's set is as usual fine. I prefer Shadow Ball to Energy Ball, it is a real pain to take for Cresselia and friends. Leaf Storm does that too, but it is less accurate and debilitates Roserade. Specs users might be for hit and run, but they will have to finish kills every now and again, and shadow Ball is much better for that than Leaf Storm is.
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Old April 8th, 2008 (12:08 PM).
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Believe it or not I actually prefer Modest on Roserade too, but I don't have nearly the argument to back that up :P Hey, I like this...it shows how diverse we all are in our opinions and styles, lol. I'm just...not a speed guy, lol.

But yeah, Azelf's set is as usual fine. I prefer Shadow Ball to Energy Ball, it is a real pain to take for Cresselia and friends. Leaf Storm does that too, but it is less accurate and debilitates Roserade. Specs users might be for hit and run, but they will have to finish kills every now and again, and shadow Ball is much better for that than Leaf Storm is.
Yep. I don't like being Walled by Cressy either. <.< Leaf Storm just ruins the notion of Specs anyways, since you're not trying to decrease the attack.

But yup, Azelf's set is fine.
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You aren't walled by Cress with Leaf Storm, Shadow Ball is just more reliable...and same goes for all bulky floating psychic elf things. either option works though.
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You aren't walled by Cress with Leaf Storm, Shadow Ball is just more reliable...and same goes for all bulky floating psychic elf things. either option works though.
Well, it gradually gets more feeble, however. As well as all your other special moves. But considering this is Specs, the "your other moves" point would be moot.
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You realize the point of Choice sets is too switch in, hit hard & fast, and switch out. The Special Attack drop isn't a big of a deal as you're making it.
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Old April 9th, 2008 (5:27 AM).
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You realize the point of Choice sets is too switch in, hit hard & fast, and switch out. The Special Attack drop isn't a big of a deal as you're making it.
Yeah, I realized that after I posted, Specsmence is a good example there. <.< But, too late to change it now, unless I decide to edit my post. Thanks, though, Loquacity / Blueberry.
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