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Old April 1st, 2008 (3:06 PM).
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Alright, I'm posting this here because this is the current generation, anyways.


Alright, I've seen it more times then I can count, and I am tired of it.


Can someone explain to me WHY there is something wrong with using the so called "Uber" Legendary Pokemon, and why you're a "n00b" if you use them?!


Look, I am your average Pokemon gamer, I just play through the games and enjoy them. I also catch all the Pokemon and use them as well. And yet I can't play people because I refuse to modify my team to remove my legendaries.


Now, explain, why if I am just an ordinary games, who plays through, why is it SO wrong to battle with Legendary Pokemon?! I mean I waste hours and Ultra Balls trying to catch them, and then they're not allowed in battle. Is it just because I have one little advantage over you that it's so "n00bish?"


Thanks if anyone can logically explain it,


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Old April 1st, 2008 (3:09 PM).
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the point is legendary pokemon or "ubers" as their called have higher stats than regular pokemon do. causing them to get banned from competitive play due to their advantage.
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Old April 1st, 2008 (3:16 PM).
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You are only a n00b if you use uber Pokemon in a certain way, let alone any Pokemon in a certain way. Ubers can be misused, or used correctly.

Example 1: A n00bish thing to do
Lets say you have Kyogre. Kyogre's moveset can be used this way

Kyogre @ Mystic Water
- Blizzard
- Sheer Cold
- Water Spout
- Hyperbeam

Clearly, this is n00bish. A horrible moveset. You are a n00b if you do this.

Example 2: A good thing to do

Kyogre @ Leftovers
- Thunder
- Icebeam
- Calm Mind
- Surf

This would be the right thing to do. The moveset is very good and can be used in a strategic and effective way. You will NOT be called a n00b.

Example 3: A n00bish thing to do

This is your team:

Furret
Chimecho
Sceptile
Kyogre
Monferno
Blissey

An uber Pokemon mixed in with a team of UU and BL Pokemon? No, thats not a good thing to do. An uber should be in the right environment of its tier. Mixing in two completely different tiers is really n00bish.

A good team would be one that is based around the uber environment and uses a combination of uber and maybe some OU Pokemon.
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In conclusion, ubers aren't n00bish if you use them the correct way. Otherwise it would be just a cry for help. Ubers are just set for a different environment of battling, and makes it no different from any other of the Pokemon tiers. So if you choose an uber team based around the uber environment, then you are not a n00b.
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That's right, you aren't a noob using Uber, in fact it's a pretty fun Metagame, but they can't compete in OU Metagame (That doesn't mean that there aren't OU pokemons on Uber Metagame).
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Example 1: A n00bish thing to do
Lets say you have Kyogre. Kyogre's moveset can be used this way

Kyogre @ Mystic Water
- Blizzard
- Sheer Cold
- Water Spout
- Hyperbeam

Clearly, this is n00bish. A horrible moveset. You are a n00b if you do this.
*releases Kyogre* Uh... yeah, you're right. An extremely n00bish thing to do!

I personally play the game for the fun of it, and I do catch legendaries when I see them and even use them in the League if I'm having trouble. But to use them in competitive only shows your skill at catching strong pokemon with dusk/ultra/great ball. Ubers are a big problem in competitive play, especially when there are people who know how to use them.
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The reason you might be called a n00b for using ubers is many times they are used by n00bs who aren't capable of winning with anything else.
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I've only seen people called n00bs for using legendaries when they're mixed in with very weak Pokemon in the same team and/or the legendaries have awful movesets. If used properly in an UBER or UBER/OU team, there is certainly nothing n00bish about legendary Pokemon.
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Yeah, it's not the fact that you use the uber, it's just the way you use it. They tend to be banned from competitive play because they're so much stronger than all the others. If people were to start using ubers, than eventually everyone else would have to use ubers to compensate. It would just cease to be fun to battle eventually, as all you'd ever see would be ubers.
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Old April 2nd, 2008 (3:17 AM).
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Exactly don't have a kyogre with a team of ratatta,pidgeys and spearows. That is very noobish as well
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People sya it gives you an, 'advantage', as if you're the only one capable of catching them. Everyone can use them, so it's not an advantage. >_>
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ubers are too powerful for the OU metagame, much like OU and BL are too strong for UU, and UU is too strong for NU.
However, many legendaries are no more powerful than any other Pokemon of their tier (Azelf, Cresselia, Zapdos come to mind, Shaymin is UU, etc) and thus should be treated as such.

I myself used to be a n00b.
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Old April 2nd, 2008 (5:33 AM).
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People sya it gives you an, 'advantage', as if you're the only one capable of catching them. Everyone can use them, so it's not an advantage. >_>
That's not the point. If Ubers were allowed in standard competitive play, the only way to win would be by using Ubers. That pretty much limits everyone to the same 10 or 12 Pokemon- other Pokes couldn't be used because they would be destroyed.
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Aircon's summed it up. If ubers weren't banned the everyone would use them instead of everything else. At the end of the day they are the most powerful pokes in the game, and just because everyone can get them does not make them ok to use.
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That's not the point. If Ubers were allowed in standard competitive play, the only way to win would be by using Ubers. That pretty much limits everyone to the same 10 or 12 Pokemon- other Pokes couldn't be used because they would be destroyed.
Thats not entirely true. I myself have beat alot of ubers on PBR random battles using my team of arcanine, milotic, staraptor, leafeon, salamence and luxray. Its because the people who use them are noobs that I can beat them. Usually the noobish people use legendaries simply because they are stronger and they think thats it. Im sure more than half of them had never even heard of EV training or know the difference between atk and sp atk based attacks. The problem is when you get someone who KNOWS how to use them. Thats when everyone would have to be limited to the other uber pokemon. And what happens if you dont WANT to use those pokemon?

In my opinion its just unfair to use them. Nearly everybody I've battled on wifi were using Palkias and just spammed spacial rend (I think that was the name of the attack, I've never used palkia myself) which against pokemon from a lesser tier will probably take them out in one or two hits unless you can attack first.
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also; if you keep it 'realistic' then its more fun to use pokemon you could actually use in a 'real pokemonworld' (dáh, i sound nerdy), you know.. breeding and catching.. if you would really be in sinnoh, hoenn, johto, kanto, then you wouldnt be able to use them either.
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You just proved my point. Ubers are too powerful in the hands of someone who isn't a complete retard.
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If ubers were allowed in normal play, they'd be all you see. They are far more powerful than normal pokemon and therefore would crush them even w/ EV training. I have beaten ubers over wifi, but they were in the hands of complete noobs. If you were to EV train 1 (which would behard to due natures) you would have a definite unfair advantage and would be no fun.
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Old April 4th, 2008 (11:04 AM).
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My issue is specifically with the fact that people ban these Pokemon from THEIR OWN tournaments, not just official ones. I mean, yes, you have these tournaments on here, but why ban "ubers" when that takes the ability from the heads of the contests as well.


The other variable about it, is I refuse to join them because of this rule, because I use my ingame team for everything I do, which always has at least 1 legendary. In Diamond's case, I use Dialga, as it's the game's legendary.


So, if I have to cut from my own team, I don't play.


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Did you read ANYTHING that ANYONE in this thread said? Ubers are too powerful. Sure, maybe you can get beaten when you use Ubers, but in the hands of someone who knows what they're doing, they're too powerful.
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Old April 10th, 2008 (8:33 AM).
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Yeah, I understand all that. But I personally believe I should have the right to use whichever Pokemon I feel like using

I did capture them afterall.


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I dont think you get the point people are making. They are too powerful. Just because you caught them does not make them ok to use. If that's your reasoning then everyone would be using the ubers they caught and only around 20 pokemon would ever be used in competetive play.

If you wanna use them, fine go ahead. But organise your own games, your own tournaments, and enjoy playing very few people, because most of the best battlers here will stand by the ethos that ubers are too strong and will not associate with them. The arguament below best sums it up.

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They tend to be banned from competitive play because they're so much stronger than all the others. If people were to start using ubers, than eventually everyone else would have to use ubers to compensate. It would just cease to be fun to battle eventually, as all you'd ever see would be ubers.
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Old April 10th, 2008 (8:58 AM).
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Yeah, I understand all that. But I personally believe I should have the right to use whichever Pokemon I feel like using

I did capture them afterall.


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And you can. As long as you hash that out with the person you're battling berforehand, and they're OK with it, then go ahead. Tiers are used for people who want to be hardcore competative. But there's no hard-set rule that you can never use your legends in battles with your friends.
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Old April 10th, 2008 (9:29 AM).
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One of the biggest things I'm pointing out is about the fact that these people who set these tournament rules, they're cutting their own ability to use them as well...They COULD use them, but they don't...

I still can't understand why people can't just battle all out anymore <_<.


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