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Old April 10th, 2008 (9:33 AM).
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Having ubers denies ability when used against other pokemon. I could spend months IV breeding and EV training my Salemence in attack and it wouldnt match up to that of an un-trained attack deoxys. And saying they could use them if they wanted would revert to the point already make a gazzilion times, they would be the only pokemon used by everyone and everything would get left behind.
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Old April 10th, 2008 (10:40 AM).
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That's the other thing, I don't IV or EV train.

Firstly, I don't even know how to.

And secondly, I refuse to after being told to completly get rid of the team I had in my LeafGreen, which included the Pokemon I trained since I started it, because of natures.


But that's beside the point. I just want the freedom to bring out my Pokemon I use in my ingame team, which is usually 1 legendary and 5 normal Pokemon.

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I personally wouldn't mind battling an Uber team, as long as my opponent lets me know beforehand. I might even bring an Uber team myself, assuming I ever make one.

And seeing as you don't IV breed or EV train, you wouldn't fare well against most of the people who do. I suggest battling against other people who feel as you do, as there are a few of them out there.

And you are surely not the only one with those beliefs, heh. I wouldn't see a problem with someone starting a tournament which banned IV'd and EV'd Pokemon and/or allowed Ubers(DragonflyCave already has the former, actually). I just wouldn't be participating for most likely the same reasons you won't join the tournaments you mentioned. ^^

PS-you realize that not every legendary is Uber, right? Uxie is allowed in standard play, as is Cresselia and quite a few others. But no, not Dialga. Heh
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if you feel this strongly about then just, ask someone for a battle that allows ubers...heres an example why people don't like using ubers:
lets say
you: a nuclear bomb
opponet: a XM312 .50 cal

i mean OU are like the latter, they are extremely powerful but the word powerful cant even begin to explain the power of ubers

and people ban them from there own leagues because
1.they dont wanna scare off challengers
2.they want a respective, fair fight

i also remember when i used to think like you, but i got over it, as you will see using a OU tier will make it easier to have fun, and get battles
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See, I still think like I did back when I played RBY, GSC, and even RSE. I battled a friend, and we didn't set up rules, we didn't set anything. We just went into a battle, and used whatever we had against eachother, and whoever won, won, and whoever lost, lost.


Also, back then, people didn't make teams for tournaments, they just used their ingame team, which is something unfortunatly you don't see often anymore.

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Everyone's too picky nowadays...it's all so technical.
I don't consider it noobish at all to do certain things with your team.
Do what you want. It's your team.
If someone else thinks its stupid or "strategically incorrect" then they can go whine about it to themselves.
The reason I don't look into all these tiers, strategies, choice items and all that crap is because i don't have time to.
I'll EV train sure...sometimes IV breed.
But that's about it.
Some of thee strategies require too much time and effort, and by that point, you've sapped away all the fun of the game!!!!!

P.S. Sorry for the rant...I had to get that off my chest.
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i know its fun to use pokes you like, sometimes im still dissappointed at the tiers and stuff, but like i said if you wanna use them just ask someone willing to battle with them to battle with you
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Yea true, but when I can't find someone like that, I'll do a normal tier battle.
But it kinda ticks me off when i fight these losers with no life that have these incredibly complex strategies.
It's not cause I lose either.
It's because most of them act all high and mighty because they beat an average player in battle.
There's something pathetic about that situation.
Some of them are respectable, but to all the others...they need to put down the gameboy and get a grip on reality.
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Im going to put the issue into context here. International football (That's soccer, none of this rubbish that uses its hands and calls itself football) rules state that players are banned from using performance-enhancing drugs. But everyone has access to these drugs, so why dont we all use them? It's because its not fair on the players who adhere to the spirit of the game and like to challenge themselves.

Im not going to post again, but what i wanna say is that if you wanna use ubers, find other people who are willing to. Because tiers and rules and restrictions are here to stay, otherwise sites like this would degrade to the hangouts of people thinking they are l33t because all the real battlers have left.
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Well first of all.
Soccer isn't all that great.
American Football FTW!
But aside from that.
You took this thing out of context actually.
Not everyone uses steroids, true.
However not everyone has access to them.
Some people don't use them to respect the spirit of the game, true again.
A lot don't use it cause it's extremely unhealthy!!
It almost guarantees a heart attack!
And legendaries are part of the game.
Steroids aren't part of soccer or football.
Just get my point.
That was a bad example.
Legendaries don't ruin the fun of the game.
They add to the challenge.
It adds to the strategy.
You have to start thinking how you're gonna take that thing out.
I personally prefer it.
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Well first of all.
Soccer isn't all that great.
American Football FTW!
But aside from that.
You took this thing out of context actually.
Not everyone uses steroids, true.
However not everyone has access to them.
Some people don't use them to respect the spirit of the game, true again.
A lot don't use it cause it's extremely unhealthy!!
It almost guarantees a heart attack!
And legendaries are part of the game.
Steroids aren't part of soccer or football.
Just get my point.
That was a bad example.
Legendaries don't ruin the fun of the game.
They add to the challenge.
It adds to the strategy.
You have to start thinking how you're gonna take that thing out.
I personally prefer it.
a. That's kind of offensive to me, as I play Soccer.

b. ac made an A+ post in this thread, in other words, he has the best post on what I've read so far.

c. I feel a redundant, get-us-nowhere argument coming on. <.<
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Well let me revise my statement then.
Soccer isn't that great to me.
I personally believe football takes more effort overall but that's just me.
And maybe I'm just tired of being called a noob because I don't adhere to some rules that some nobody made up.
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losers with no life
There's something pathetic about that situation.
they need to put down the gameboy and get a grip on reality.
I don't adhere to some rules that some nobody made up.
WOW YOU ARE SO COOL. YOU'RE TOTALLY COOLER THAN THOSE LOSERS THAT PLAY POKEMON.

This entire thread has been giving me a headache (save for Gofre). If you prefer not to IV breed or EV train, or you don't want to learn how to battle, then fine. Enjoy playing with your friends. But don't think that that actually makes you better than others- or cool at all.

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Some of thee strategies require too much time and effort, and by that point, you've sapped away all the fun of the game!!!!!
Well, I happen to enjoy the strategy in Pokemon- it adds depth to the game that was missing when I played as a kid. Maybe Halo is more your speed?
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Well let me revise my statement then.
Soccer isn't that great to me.

I personally believe football takes more effort overall but that's just me.
And maybe I'm just tired of being called a noob because I don't adhere to some rules that some nobody made up.
a. Yes, I know, I was just stating my opinion of it. You don't have to tell me twice. <.<

b. ac's point goes here.

c. Uber does take strategy, believe me, I have a Smogon thread about Ubers:

http://www.smogon.com/dp/articles/uber_battling there we go.
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WOW YOU ARE SO COOL. YOU'RE TOTALLY COOLER THAN THOSE LOSERS THAT PLAY POKEMON.
Sarcasm isn't called for.
I didn't say I was cool. I don't really think I am.
However I think it's stupid to follow rules that someone decided were good, and thus you all follow this person's word like it's your freakin bible.
You're exactly the kind of idiot I was referring to.
You just whine and complain cause a legendary unbalances things, and that reduces you're chances to win.
Oh I'm so sry, get over it.
And get over yourself while you're at it.

P.S. Before you quote me, make sure you include everything in between, not just what you want others to see.
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This entire thread has been giving me a headache (save for Gofre).
even me?! T_T anyways we have to accept that some people just can't adjust to the rules like we can, all we have to do(hopefully) is let them rant until they realize the tiers are here to stay and for them to suck it up(no offense guys)
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Sarcasm isn't called for.
I didn't say I was cool. I don't really think I am.
However I think it's stupid to follow rules that someone decided were good, and thus you all follow this person's word like it's your freakin bible.
You're exactly the kind of idiot I was referring to.
You just whine and complain cause a legendary unbalances things, and that reduces you're chances to win.
Oh I'm so sry, get over it.
And get over yourself while you're at it.

P.S. Before you quote me, make sure you include everything in between, not just what you want others to see.
Maybe because the standard rules are probably better than rules that most people could think of. Ubers are just cheap. Understand that. If they were allowed in standard battles, then everyone would use them. They are stronger than other things, which makes them cheap. It doesn't make things fun when everyone is using the same 10-20 Pokemon.
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I love how you think you're completely right, but you actually have no idea what you're talking about. Learn to battle, then come back.

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even me?! T_T
I wasn't paying attention, so I didn't really notice your posts.
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I second aircon and one-wing (please let me know if you dont like your names abbreviated). This thread has gotten into a loop of people whining about long-established rules, being corrected and then whining anyway. They're simple rules, they keep things fair. They make sense whether you like them or not. I think this topic of conversation has exhausted itself so i've reported for its closure.

Oh and aircon, why does it always seem to end up with me and you being the voice of reason in this forum?
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I love how you think you're completely right, but you actually have no idea what you're talking about. Learn to battle, then come back.
Hahahahaha.
I love hypocrites.
I believe you're sure you're right to.
And believe me I do know what I'm talking about.
But unlike you I'm open-minded.
Now I see where you're coming from, believe me.
And I do see the points you're trying to make, I respect that.
But I've EV battled many legendaries...they're not that hard to beat lol.
And if you don't want to use legendaries, specify that before the battle, don't make up an entire rulebook about it, that's overkill.
Like I said, think about both sides of a debate before you enter it.
You're stuck in little airconditioning world with yourself.
I'm sorry, I really do pity you.

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even me?! T_T anyways we have to accept that some people just can't adjust to the rules like we can, all we have to do(hopefully) is let them rant until they realize the tiers are here to stay and for them to suck it up(no offense guys)
I'm sry lol.
I know this is getting annoying, I'm just trying to bring out my point.
You don't have to listen if you don't want to, it's your choice. =)

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Oh and aircon, why does it always seem to end up with me and you being the voice of reason in this forum?
Voice of reason?
That's thinking awfully high and might of yourself isn't it?
Who are you to decide what's reasonable or not?
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ok i respect everyones opinions but this thread is just going to start a flame war so its useless to keep posting
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Put it this way, we've been here about a year each
You joined this month
We've had a chance to see how scenarios develope. If you knew what you were talking about you would know how ubers outclass regular pokemon. Since you say the contrary it shows you can EV yourself but probably never faced a team of EVed ubers, since almost everyone on any site who can EV train also adheres to tiers. I dare you to find an established forum that does not use tiers.
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Put it this way, we've been here about a year each
You joined this month
We've had a chance to see how scenarios develope. If you knew what you were talking about you would know how ubers outclass regular pokemon. Since you say the contrary it shows you can EV yourself but probably never faced a team of EVed ubers, since almost everyone on any site who can EV train also adheres to tiers. I dare you to find an established forum that does not use tiers.
I've been playing since the game came out.
I've been on other forums.
I don't think how long I've been on this forum makes a difference.
That's an invalid point.
And yes i have faced an entire team of them.
I used only un-legendary pokemon.
True, I lost.
But it wasn't a blow-out.
My friend won because he out-strategized me.
Not because his pokemon's stats were so much better.
You really are full of yourself =)

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ok i respect everyones opinions but this thread is just going to start a flame war so its useless to keep posting
Then you don't have to pay attention anymore.
And I'm trying to have a civilized debate, I enjoy them. =)
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a. Yes, I know, I was just stating my opinion of it. You don't have to tell me twice. <.<

b. ac's point goes here.

c. Uber does take strategy, believe me, I have a Smogon thread about Ubers:

http://www.smogon.com/dp/articles/uber_battling there we go.
hehe, you really are offended because someone else doesnt like football? chill man ;), i love the game too, like most people, but dont get pissed if someone else doesnt like it. by the way, it is called 'football'. we came up with the name in europe, so we can say what it is meant by it :p!
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But I've EV battled many legendaries...they're not that hard to beat lol.
First, there's no such thing as an 'EV Battle'.

Second, the rules are made for skilled battlers. An Uber in the hands of horribly unskilled opponents- even one that's EV trained- can be beaten easily by a good enough opponent. Just because you can beat a ten year old who uses his newly caught Dialga doesn't make them any less powerful.
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