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Old April 9th, 2008 (5:11 AM). Edited April 10th, 2008 by Ársa.
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Adamant
152 HP, 252 Atk, 104 Spd

Explosion
Thunderpunch
Meteor Mash
Earthquake

I've been experimenting, and this is a great lead. Clear Body says shove it to Gyarados and Salamence leads.
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Modest
252 Sp. Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP
Adaptability

Tri-Attack
Ice Beam
Thunderbolt
Dark Pulse

After everything is Paralyzed, in comes P-Z to kill everything. Modest Specs is kickass.
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Calm
252 Def, 216 Sp. Def, 40 HP
Natural Cure

Wish
Protect
Aromatherapy / Flamethrower
Toxic
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Careful
252 HP, 140 Sp. At, 28 Sp. Def, 88 Def

Calm Mind
Pain Split
Shadow Ball
Hidden Power [FIGHT]

Calm Mind Spiritomb. I like it really. Don't know how it will fair, but it gives me an excuse to bring out my HP FIGHT 70 tomb that I bred. :D
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Impish
252 HP, 252 Def, 6 Atk

Rapid Spin
Earthquake
Ice Shard
Stealth Rock

Physical Wall, Rapid Spinner, Stealth Rocker and Ninjask stopper. No longer need 36 Atk for Garchomp. :Dt
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Mild
120 Atk, 252 Sp. Atk, 136 Spd

Brick Break
Draco Meteor
Fire Blast
Dragon Claw/Crunch

Mix-Mence. Couples extremely well with Jirachi, and with Rapid Spin and Wish support, Mix-Mence is a scary prospect.
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Spoiler:

A tortured life indeed,
Shatterd pains of glass.
Frequented with death,
Alas despair abounds.

From the darkness he prevails,
A saint among men.
Risen from the ashes,
A child is born.

The mecurial son,
A sanctioned divinity,
Such secrets witheld.
The tombs of past loss.

A ravaged entity,
The scar apparent.
Lashes, 1..2..3,
Why do it to the?

A tradegy indeed,
Gone as he came.
Crucified among the living,
Tortured once again.
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Old April 9th, 2008 (11:41 AM).
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Your team is absolutely trampled by special attackers. Snorlax walls nothing with its curse set (it's good for tanking, but as your only special wall it will not work).

You have no fighting resist besides Salamence, which I'm sorry but with no defensive EVs and a Life Orb and a SR weak, it will not work. Not to mention that almost all fighters have either Ice Punch of stone Edge to smash Salamence.

Also Modest Specs might be awesome, but with Timid it's impossible to be awesome :P

I actually think physical Jir is fine for this team, it fits in way better than it did with that other one (though I still believe CM Jir is better).

I would scrap Salamence for a good fighting resistance and I would either change Snorlax's set and EVs, or get rid of it. I'm surprised this team hasn't been Azelf swept, since it will 6-0 this team.

BTW, that Metagross would be a lot better with Life Orb or even a Choice Band. Bullet Punch isn't any good without it being boosted. Come on, when Metagross is leading, Weavile should be running away, and some Gengar will too...and if not you the opponent doesn't deserve to win.

I like the offensive structure of this team with Metagross and Porygon-Z (though I'm no MixMence fan), but defensively you are really pushing it. You rely on Mence too much for resisting attacks and basically for many defensive purpose, but its EVs and moveset obviously don't reflect that. Snorlax also has to be changed, at least the EVs do. Curselax as a special wall I really don't recommend...in fact I advise against it.
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Metagross = Magnezone Bait. At least thats what that Metagross's evs are. 152 HP / 252 HP / 104 Speed. NOAW !! Or its gonna magnet rise on your ass before you can eq and that means you loose a Metagross for nothing.

Im for some reason thinking Nasty Plot would be of more benefit on P-Z HP Fighting/Dark pulse/TriAttack/ Nasty Plot = win, it will allow you to sweep once Mixmence (Who is a beast) has put dents into everything =)
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Adamant
252 HP, 232 Atk, 12 Def, 8 Spd

Bullet Punch
Thunderpunch
Meteor Mash
Earthquake

I've been experimenting, and this is a great lead. Clear Body says shove it to Gyarados and Salamence leads. Bullet Punch hits Weavile and Gengar.

Looks like a powerhouse; be VERY WARY of Magnezone, but if you want to keep power, then Shed Shell wouldn't be much of a bad idea to escape it.
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Timid
252 Sp. Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP
Adaptability

Tri-Attack
Ice Beam
Thunderbolt
Dark Pulse

After everything is Paralyzed, in comes P-Z to kill everything. Modest Specs is kickass. Thinking of switching with SpecsGar, to provide more Fighting resistence.

Ouch...LOTSA PAIN! Looks fine. However, why'd you say "Modest Specs", when it's Timid?
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Careful
168 HP, 120 Def, 220 Sp. Def
Thick Fat

Curse
Earthquake/Crunch
Body Slam/Crunch
Rest

Yeah, Curselax because I'm sick of using Blissey.

I need a Snorlax because I'm a lil tired of Blissey myself. This thing caused me to lose a match because I couldn't kill it in a 3v1 situation. Consider Crunch somewhere so you can hit Gengar/Mismagius (The CM one in particular).
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Impish
252 HP, 76 Def, 176 Sp. Def

Wish
Reflect
Body Slam
Zen-Headbutt

I love this, and no matter what Anti says, it's staying physical.

That's a new one with being all physical. Parahax + Flinch hax = me going to start hating you so much. lol
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Impish
252 HP, 252 Def, 6 Atk

Rapid Spin
Earthquake
Ice Shard
Stealth Rock

Physical Wall, Rapid Spinner, Stealth Rocker and Ninjask stopper. No longer need 36 Atk for Garchomp. :D

Thank you no needed attack for Garchomp! Standard Phan is standard I suppose.
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Mild
120 Atk, 252 Sp. Atk, 136 Spd

Brick Break
Draco Meteor
Fire Blast
Dragon Claw/Crunch

Mix-Mence. Couples extremely well with Jirachi, and with Rapid Spin and Wish support, Mix-Mence is a scarf prospect.

This is going to also work in relation to all the paralysis going around the board. That speed won't be needed too much. Also, with Jirachi wishing, Roost doesn't need to be an option. Good choice; this one is next on my wanting list as well.
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It has worked extremely well for me on Shoddy, with around 40-2 my result.

Regards,

~T_S

Spoiler:

A tortured life indeed,
Shatterd pains of glass.
Frequented with death,
Alas despair abounds.

From the darkness he prevails,
A saint among men.
Risen from the ashes,
A child is born.

The mecurial son,
A sanctioned divinity,
Such secrets witheld.
The tombs of past loss.

A ravaged entity,
The scar apparent.
Lashes, 1..2..3,
Why do it to the?

A tradegy indeed,
Gone as he came.
Crucified among the living,
Jesus is dead.
This team looks rather solid, and to go 40-2? Dang... Kudos to you on that. To be honest, I can't name one thing off my mind that can easily crumble this team apart. However, I'm not a quick thinker when it comes to naming a thousand threats.
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Old April 9th, 2008 (1:18 PM).
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Porygon-Z is a pokemon that could use Nasty Plot very, very well, especially with Download. P-Z is not that fragile, and with a +Speed nature you would be outspeeding a lot of pokemon. It won't be hard to get a Nasty Plot in.

Nasty Plot / Tri Attack / Ice Beam / HP fight is a good movepool.

Curse Snorlax isn't that useful anymore in this generation, where there are a lot more hard hitters. A restalk Snorlax can take Hypnosis easily, which is something your team lacks [dealing with status].

You're also very Infernape weak, I'd suggest a Starmie over Donphan, if you wanna keep a rapid spinner on your team.
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Old April 9th, 2008 (2:42 PM).
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Well, i've taken into account the comments. Snorlax is going to be replaced with Blissey. :( I need to be able to halt Azelf somehow, and if it explodes, problem solved. :P I'm going to beef up that Mix-Mence a bit, so I'm off to do some damage calcs.

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Old April 9th, 2008 (6:07 PM).
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To comment on the idea of replacing Porygon-Z with SpecsGar for a fighting resistance, I say no. A VERY fragile Choice Apecs user who is OHKOed by half the metagame and massacred by Weavile should not be relied upon for defensive purposes. It simply will not work.

The real problem with walling with resistances is that speed passes to terrifying sweepers like Machamp will absolutely decimate your fighting resist. This is the one regard where I actually think speed is extremely important, as versatile sweepers will laugh at these resistances.

It might be a step up from Pory Z on the defensive side (though not by much), but Pory sweeps better IMO and probably helps your team more.

Also, the Metagross set is much improved.
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Old April 9th, 2008 (6:16 PM).
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Ok, cool. I didn't want to have Skarm or Forry as my Physical Wall to make it 3 steels, which just says lol for Magnezone.

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Old April 9th, 2008 (6:19 PM).
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Honestly I'm no fan of Metagross and Jir on the same team. Their identical defensive typing can be a real pain. You might need Jirachi for Wish support, but Blissey can run that. I think standard Blissey is better than Wishing sets, but if Bliss ran that, you would pretty much be able to replace Jirachi to further patch up this team defensively while maintaining its sweeping power. Just some stuff to consider.
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Every team I've had lately has had Jirachi. I just love using it. I'll consider removing it, but then what for?

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Old April 10th, 2008 (11:41 AM).
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Woah, Suicune with a Lum Berry isn't helping it. Leftovers...you'll need them.

Still, IMO Suicune isn't the pokemon you need. You need a REAL fighting resist. I would really go with something that is very reliable, like Spiritomb (AMAZING with Blissey) or Dusknoir. There are also pokemon like Weezing and Gliscor, but that could turn into wall overload (though with Tomb or Noir you could end up with the same fate).

That's the real Achilles heal of this team IMO.
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Old April 10th, 2008 (11:50 AM). Edited April 10th, 2008 by Dark Azelf.
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Ouch, mixed Infernape..... id Consider Roost in that last slot on Mence to help with that somewhat.


As of now, id REALLY be careful of CM/Sub/Shadow ball/HP Fighting Mismagius, it uses Blissey as fodder, Suicune could possibly take it, but wont like it after a while and repeated hits, especially since your considering HP Electric >>Rest, so yeah Tomb would be nice and will also provide a fighting resist.


EDIT : immunity i mean, fighting immunity._., god i suck lol
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