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Aura Sphere,Dragon Pulse,EQ,Psychic 6 46%
Close Combat,Swords Dance,Bullet Punch,EQ 7 54%
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Old April 13th, 2008 (3:51 AM).
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Dragonite @ Shell Bell
Quirky
Inner Focus
Evs:252sp.atk,100spd
Aqua Tail
Dragon Dance
Outrage
Stone Edge/EQ

My physical sweeper and all-out rampager, can take out most in 2/3 turns.

Espeon @ Leftovers
Bold
Synchronize
Evs:178atk,115sp.def
Psychic
Morning Sun
Shadow Ball
Grass Knot

My special sweeper. Shadow Ball helps out against ghost types and grass knot is for a bit of unpredictability.

Umbreon @ Leftovers
Modest
Synchronize
Evs:152spd
Confuse Ray
Dark Pulse
Substitute
Embargo

My annoyer. Goes out against tough pokes, preferably slow ones, and stops them in their tracks.

Metagross @ Scope Lens
Hardy
Clear Body
Evs:70atk,100spd,97sp.atk
Magnet Rise
Meteor Mash
Flash Cannon/EQ
Psychic/Zen Headbutt

My Tank. Magnet Rise protects from the ever-present Earthquake,while Meteor Mash crushes Ice.I can’t decide between Flash Cannon or EQ,and Psychic or Zen Headbutt.

Flygon @ (insert item here)
Rash
Levitate
Evs:Unknown
EQ
Giga Drain
Dragon Claw
Flamethrower

My multi-type mixed sweeper. Specializes in Whiscash, Swampert and Quagsire, but is brilliant against most. My Skarmory and Bronzong Basher, as I have noticed they are so popular.



Lucario @ Razor Fang
Naïve
Evs:152def,100sp.def
Aura Sphere
Dragon Pulse
EQ
Psychic

The one that cleans up.Can take on pretty much anything. Struggles against EQ,so the sp.def Evs were perfect.
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Dragonite @ Shell Bell
Quirky
Inner Focus
Evs:252sp.atk,100spd
Aqua Tail
Dragon Dance
Outrage
Stone Edge/EQ
Shell Bell simply does not pass as an item. Leftovers would be a better choice. Quirky is a neutral nature, which isn't good. Try Adamant. Also, you need a complete EV spread. An Ev spread that adds up to 508, not 352. Aqua Tail provides little coverage after Fire Punch and Earthquake. The good moveset would be Fire Punch and Earthquake.


Dragonite @ Leftovers
Trait: Inner Focus
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 Attack / 172 Speed / 84 HP
- Dragon dance
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- Fire Punch

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Espeon @ Leftovers
Bold
Synchronize
Evs:178atk,115sp.def
Psychic
Morning Sun
Shadow Ball
Grass Knot
Morning Sun is not needed since it won't be taking two hits, maybe not even one. Hidden power is the only other Special Attack move it learns, and it can be quite useful and unpredictability. I'd use HP Fighting or Ice instead of Morning Sun. Again, you need at least 508 EVs, and Attack EVs are not needed since Espeon doesn't use physical attacks. I prefer a Timid nature over a Bold to outrun, and Bold really does nothing to help Espeon.


Espeon @ Life Orb / Choice Specs
Trait: Synchronize
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 Sp.Atk, 252 Speed , 4 HP
- Psychic
- Shadow Ball
- Hidden Power [ICE / FIGHTING]
- Grass Knot.

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Umbreon @ Leftovers
Modest
Synchronize
Evs:152spd
Confuse Ray
Dark Pulse
Substitute
Embargo
Honestly, Umbreon never really was a good Pokemon in competetive battling. If you insist on using it however...

Modest is a waste on it, Umbreon wasn't designed for attacking. Full EV set please. Confuse Ray is bleh, it is easily gotten rid of by a simple switch. Dark Pulse doesn't do much, even after STAB, because of its low offenses. Embargo is useless, in competetive, items from the bag won't be used. Thus, Embargo serves no purpose.

Umbreon @ Leftovers
Trait: Synchronize
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Defense / 4 SDefense
- Mean Look
- Baton Pass
- Substitute / Taunt
- Toxic

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Metagross @ Scope Lens
Hardy
Clear Body
Evs:70atk,100spd,97sp.atk
Magnet Rise
Meteor Mash
Flash Cannon/EQ
Psychic/Zen Headbutt
Leftovers would be a better choice than Scope Lens. Hardy would be doing little, again with the neutral natures. They're not doing anything for you. Metagross needs more Attack and HP EVs. Magnet Rise does little for Metagross. The only time you'd actually find Magnet Rise useful is with Magnezone. I'd suggest Explosion or Agility. Two steel attacks is bleh, so use Earthquake. Psychic moves are a real waste on Metagross, use Thunderpunch.


Metagross @ Leftovers
Trait: Clear Body
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 Attack / 172 HP / 84 Speed
- Agility / Explosion
- Meteor Mash
- Thunderpunch
- Earthquake

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Flygon @ (insert item here)
Rash
Levitate
Evs:Unknown
EQ
Giga Drain
Dragon Claw
Flamethrower
I don't know much about Flygon. Garchomp / Dragonite / Salamence does this better though.


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Lucario @ Razor Fang
Naïve
Evs:152def,100sp.def
Aura Sphere
Dragon Pulse
EQ
Psychic
Razor Fang is hax, so don't use it. Defensive EVs are useless, Lucario won't be taking hits. 252 Speed / 200 Sp.Atk / 56 Attack.
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Im confused to why none of these pokes have maxed EVs. I'll rate the rest when that's been explained
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How do u get HP's type to change?
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You get Hidden Power's type to change by getting different IVs.
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The reason they're not fully EV'd is that i wanted room to make changes depending on what others said.
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Ok, in that case you dont really get the general idea of a RMT. You're meant to plan out your team, work out the kinks, then make it. Even if your EVs are wrong you've still wasted most of your EVs on them. For example, dragonite has 252 useless special attack EVs, so you have to start again now anyway. In fact, most of the EVs and natures need scrapping entirely. To be honest it looks like you've pulled this team from your in-game line up and guessed at the EVs. I'd go back and read through the FAQs, learn how natures ect work, then edit the line-upto what the pokes will be.
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Dragonite @ Life orb
Jolly
Inner Focus
Evs: 252 atk/252 speed/6HP
Dragon Dance
Outrage
EQ
Fire punch

My physical sweeper and all-out rampager, can take out most in 2/3 turns.

Espeon @ Leftovers
Bold
Synchronize
Evs:178atk,115sp.def
Psychic
Morning Sun
Shadow Ball
Grass Knot

Go with clade

My special sweeper. Shadow Ball helps out against ghost types and grass knot is for a bit of unpredictability.

Umbreon @ Leftovers
Modest
Synchronize
Evs:152spd
Confuse Ray
Dark Pulse
Substitute
Embargo

My annoyer. Goes out against tough pokes, preferably slow ones, and stops them in their tracks.

I'm not so good with this pokemon.

Metagross @ Scope Lens
Hardy
Clear Body
Evs:70atk,100spd,97sp.atk
Magnet Rise
Meteor Mash
Flash Cannon/EQ
Psychic/Zen Headbutt

Go with clade

My Tank. Magnet Rise protects from the ever-present Earthquake,while Meteor Mash crushes Ice.I can’t decide between Flash Cannon or EQ,and Psychic or Zen Headbutt.

Flygon @ Lifeorb
Admant/Naughty
Levitate
Evs:252atk/252speed/6HP
EQ
U-turn
Dragon Claw
Fireblast

Not so sure about the EV's and nature.

My multi-type mixed sweeper. Specializes in Whiscash, Swampert and Quagsire, but is brilliant against most. My Skarmory and Bronzong Basher, as I have noticed they are so popular.



Lucario @ Lifeorb
Adamant
Evs: 252 atk/252speed/6 HP
Swords dance
Close combat
Bullet punch/Extreme speed
Crunch


No no no, try SD luke.

The one that cleans up.Can take on pretty much anything. Struggles against EQ,so the sp.def Evs were perfect.
Changes are in bold.
Meh, this is just stupid.
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Is this any better?

Dragonite @ Life orb
Jolly

Inner Focus
Evs: 252 atk/252 speed/6HP
Dragon Dance
Outrage
EQ
Fire punch


Espeon @ Life Orb /
Trait: Synchronize

Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 Sp.Atk, 252 Speed , 4 HP
- Psychic
- Shadow Ball
- Hidden Power [type unknown]
- Grass Knot.


Umbreon @ Leftovers
Trait: Synchronize

Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Defense / 4 SDefense
- Mean Look
- Baton Pass
- Substitute
- Toxic


Metagross @ Leftovers
Trait: Clear Body

Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 Attack / 172 HP / 84 Speed
- Agility / Explosion
- Meteor Mash
- Thunderpunch
- Earthquake


Flygon @ Lifeorb
Naughty

Levitate
Evs:252atk/252speed/6sp.def
EQ
U-turn
Dragon Claw
Flamethrower


Lucario @
Naïve
Evs:252 Speed / 200 Sp.Atk / 56 Attack

Aura Sphere
Extremespeed
EQ
Swords Dance
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You shouldn't have SD on a mixed Luke, so either use MixLuke, in which case, remove SD, or use SD Luke without Aura Sphere. The SD set provided earlier was pretty much the best set for you. Looking back, I think it is actually best to use MixLuke seeing as the majority of your team are physical sweepers. I'm not entirely sure about the nature, but try something like:

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Lonley/Rash Nature
EVs: 252 Atk 252 Sp.Atk 6 Spe (Not entirely sure on those)
Aura Sphere
Close Combat
Dark Pulse
Extremespeed/Bullet Punch/Dragon Pulse/EQ

This is a mighty wall destroyer. You see a physical wall, you use a special move and vice versa. Two STAB fighting attacks are useful are very useful, and for that last slot, those moves are in order of preference.
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The sets are all fine (C&P from somewhere but that's not important) but your team still lacks synergy. Namely the lack of special wallsing, and your physical wall isnt the greatest choice either. You also have one special sweeper and 4 physical ones, a tremendous imbalance. You need to drop at least 2 physical sweepers, and get a special wall. A spinner wouldnt be too bad either.
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How about this mixluke?
Lucario @
Naïve
Evs:252 Speed / 200 Sp.Atk / 56 Attack
Aura Sphere
Extremespeed
EQ
Drain Punch

well, i know it's not exactly mix, but thats because i want it to mainly be physical, because i'll probably drop Flygon for the poke below.

And is this a good special wall?
Blissey @ Leftovers
Serene Grace
Serious
EVs:252sp.def,252sp.atk,4hp
Softboiled
Rain Dance
Thunder
Swagger

Please give me your exact opinions.
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How about this mixluke?
Lucario @
Naïve
Evs:252 Speed / 200 Sp.Atk / 56 Attack
Aura Sphere
Extremespeed
EQ
Drain Punch

well, i know it's not exactly mix, but thats because i want it to mainly be physical, because i'll probably drop Flygon for the poke below.

And is this a good special wall?
Blissey @ Leftovers
Serene Grace
Serious
EVs:252sp.def,252sp.atk,4hp
Softboiled
Rain Dance
Thunder
Swagger

Please give me your exact opinions.

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252 ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 HP
Adamant Nature
- Close Combat
- Swords Dance
- Extremespeed / Bullet Punch
- Stone Edge / Crunch / Bullet Punch



LOL Bad blissey set is bad

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Calm nature
Trait : natural Cure
- Thunderwave
- Seismic Toss
- Aromatherapy
- Softboiled
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Is this a better special wall? i found it sitting there in the PC, just waitin to be discovered:
Roserade @ Leftovers
Careful
Poison Point
EVs:252sp.def,148sp.atk,108spd
Toxic Spikes/Extrasensory
Giga Drain
Aromatherapy/Synthesis please tell me which is best!
Sludge Bomb
Like i said with the Blissey, this would replace Flygon.
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There are a few problems I can think of, which I have listed below:

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Dragonite @ Shell Bell
Quirky
Inner Focus
Evs:252sp.atk,100spd
Aqua Tail
Dragon Dance
Outrage
Stone Edge/EQ

My physical sweeper and all-out rampager, can take out most in 2/3 turns.



Dragonite's main advantage over, for example Salamence is that it can learn Dragon Dance, so I would recommend either a Jolly or Adamant nature to make use of the stat boost that Dragon Dance gives. I also think that Aqua Tail may be a bit redundant here since you are unlikely to come up against fire-types. The Earthquake may be a better idea than stone edge, and you could also use Aerial Ace instead of Aqua Tail.

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Espeon @ Leftovers
Bold
Synchronize
Evs:178atk,115sp.def
Psychic
Morning Sun
Shadow Ball
Grass Knot

My special sweeper. Shadow Ball helps out against ghost types and grass knot is for a bit of unpredictability.
I like the Eeveeloutions because they look nice and can be quite useful sometimes, however their are much better Psychic Special sweepers than Espeon. Alakazam the best of the lot, or if you are looking for something with a higher Def maybe a Gardevoir could be used. There are also Pokémon like Mismagius which are fairly versitile and good for Sweeping. If you wanted to use Espeon, however, teaching it Baton Pass may be a good idea, since Espeon is quick it will be useful if a Dark-Type is thrown out against you.

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Umbreon @ Leftovers
Modest
Synchronize
Evs:152spd
Confuse Ray
Dark Pulse
Substitute
Embargo

My annoyer. Goes out against tough pokes, preferably slow ones, and stops them in their tracks.



Again, I quite like Umbreon, but there are better dark Pokémon out there you could use, if you are looking for an annoyer then you might be able to use Spiritomb, but Umbreon would probably do. You definitely need to get rid of Embargo, as in Wifi battling it is pointless, also it may be an idea to change Confuse Ray for Toxic or something...
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Metagross @ Scope Lens
Hardy
Clear Body
Evs:70atk,100spd,97sp.atk
Magnet Rise
Meteor Mash
Flash Cannon/EQ
Psychic/Zen Headbutt

My Tank. Magnet Rise protects from the ever-present Earthquake,while Meteor Mash crushes Ice.I can’t decide between Flash Cannon or EQ,and Psychic or Zen Headbutt.

Flygon @ (insert item here)
Rash
Levitate
Evs:Unknown
EQ
Giga Drain
Dragon Claw
Flamethrower

My multi-type mixed sweeper. Specializes in Whiscash, Swampert and Quagsire, but is brilliant against most. My Skarmory and Bronzong Basher, as I have noticed they are so popular.
The main thing I can see wrong with those two is the natures, and the fact that the moves do not fit in with the Pokémon's strongest stat, for example both Pokémon have a higher Atk than SpA, so you should use moves and natures that make use of that.

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Lucario @ Razor Fang
Naïve
Evs:152def,100sp.def
Aura Sphere
Dragon Pulse
EQ
Psychic

The one that cleans up.Can take on pretty much anything. Struggles against EQ,so the sp.def Evs were perfect.
I like the moveset, although since you have used mainly special-type moves Earthquake may not be the best idea, my advice would be to teach it Calm Mind instead. Again, you have not chosen the best nature. Modest for attack, or whichever one it is that lowers Atk and raises either SDef or Def for defense would be better :)
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Take EQ of lucario, it sucks on it, Fighting and Ground have too close coverage, and even when EQ is super effective, Close Combat still does more =/ Stone Edge, Crunch or Extremespeed >> EQ.

Also Roserade is in no way shape or form a Special wall.
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Okay, i get it, u think EQ suks on Lucario. Thanks but is Roserade any good?
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DA summed it up at the bottom, it pretty much sucks as a special wall. Low base hp couple with a very average SpDef stat wreck it, especially since synthesis's recovery is halved in the most common weather out there-sandstrorm.

And EQ does suck on lucario. Its coverage basically matches fighting, which lucario gets STAB for.
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Are these any god at spec. wall?

Gyarados @ leftovers
Gentle
EVs:200sp.def,170atk:138spd
Ice Fang/Avalanche
Aqua Tail
EQ
Flamethrower

Yes, a Gyarados without DD i know, but i reckons it could be alright

or would this be better?

Gallade @ Life Orb
Gentle
EVs:200sp.def,170spd,138atk
Leaf Blade
Close Combat
Psycho Cut
SD/Slash
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Are these any god at spec. wall?

Gyarados @ leftovers
Gentle
EVs:200sp.def,170atk:138spd
Ice Fang/Avalanche
Aqua Tail
EQ
Flamethrower

Yes, a Gyarados without DD i know, but i reckons it could be alright

or would this be better?

Gallade @ Life Orb
Gentle
EVs:200sp.def,170spd,138atk
Leaf Blade
Close Combat
Psycho Cut
SD/Slash
Both those are sweepers, so no. Flamethrower is a special attack and coming off Gyarados pathetic sp.att it is lol.

Blissey is an example of a sp.wall, and so is snorlax.
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Just an observation:
A self damaging wall?
Strangest suggestion everrrr

But yeah bare in mind OP that a special wall isnt just a high SpDef stat, it needs HP and a moveset to back it up.
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I have used your advice to raise another team, is this one any good?

[email protected] Life Orb
Hasty
Intimidate
EVs:252atk,252spd,4hp
Aqua Tail
Avalanche
Dragon Dance
Strength
My new leader and physical sweeper,thanks for getting the stupid idea out of my head that it was a special wall Gofre.

Dragonite @ Leftovers
Mild
Inner Focus
EVs:250atk,150sp.atk,108spd
Outrage
DD
EQ
Fire Punch

2nd physical sweeper that is sp.defensive as well (slightly).+Roost means he can last a little longer.

Tentacruel @Poison Barb
Modest
Clear Body
EVs:252sp.def,150sp.atk,106spd
Hydro Pump
Sludge Bomb
Giga Drain
Toxic Spikes

My first real special wall, the Giga Drainer.

Lucario @ Scope Lens
Naive
Inner Focus
EVs:250atk,150sp.atk,106spd
Drain Punch
Aura Sphere
Extremespeed
Dragon Pulse

Mixluke.Need i say more?

Metagross @ Leftovers
Adamant
Clear Body
EVs:252atk,252def,4hp
Meteor Mash
EQ
Rest
Sleep Talk

The Tank.Rest because tanks are ment to last FOREVAR! and Sleep Talk so its not completely useless while its asleep.

Ambipom @ Lax Incense
Timid/Jolly
Technician
EVs:252spd,252hp,4def
Baton Pass
Screech
Swagger
Stealth Rock

I have tok a hint with Umbreon and got this annoyer instead.It is way more useful as it can outpace more pokes.

So,like i said this is my new team, please rate it.
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You still have major flaws. For one, no physical wall. Tanks arent meant to last forever, walls are. Not only that, your special wall cannot recover (Except for a move with so little coverage that you're barely healing at all), so lefties over crappy 10% items.
Scope lense is hax, so get rid of it.
Metagros needs 252Att/152HP/104Spd, and get rid of restalk, it sucks on him. Use agility and thunderpunch/explosion for the moves instead.
Seriously, ambipom is achieving nothing on this team. Screech is fixed by a simple switch in, as is confusion. Besides, what are you planning on passing with it?
What the heck is going on with that dragonite? Special attack EVs and no special attacks? You're talking about roost which it does not have.
I'd cover the rest, but there's too much.

Tbh the last one was better, what does that show?
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[email protected] Life Orb
Hasty
Intimidate
EVs:252atk,252spd,4hp
Aqua Tail
Avalanche
Dragon Dance
Strength


Dragonite @ Leftovers
Mild
Inner Focus
EVs:252atk,252spd,4hp
Outrage
DD
EQ
Fire Punch


Tentacruel @Leftovers
Modest
Clear Body
EVs:252sp.def,150sp.atk,106spd
Hydro Pump
Sludge Bomb
Giga Drain
Toxic Spikes



Lucario @ Focus Band
Naive
Inner Focus
EVs:250atk,150sp.atk,106spd
Drain Punch
Aura Sphere
Extremespeed
Dragon Pulse


Metagross @ Leftovers
Adamant
Clear Body
EVs:252Att,152HP,104Spd
Meteor Mash
EQ
Explosion
Agility






No i don't know what the heck i was doing with Dragonite either,sorry.I forgot how much people switch in compet battles.
Any better G?

N.B. Ambipom has been removed for further training and a rethink of EVs and moves.
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Like i said, you still lack vital things like a physical wall. Movesets and EV spreads are also off
Like i said, there's too much to cover. Go to the compiled guides in the stickie and read up on the standard sets at the bottom of the page.
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