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Old April 19th, 2008 (3:31 AM).
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Scrapping Ambipom.Thinking about dropping Metagross for the 2nd

New addition.

Gliscor @ Leftovers
Adamant
Hyper Cutter
EVs:252def,252hp
X-scissor
Poison Jab
Night Slash
Ice Fang

A new wall. I hope this one doesn't have as many problems as the others.

Togekiss @ Leftovers
Timid
Hustle
EVs:252spd,252sp.atk,4hp
Ancientpower
Baton Pass
Air Slash
Shadow Ball

I think this makes quite a good special sweeper in a way. And i like it.Timid to outrun, Hustle coz i don't use physicalKiss. Wadda u think evry1?
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Scrapping Ambipom.Thinking about dropping Metagross for the 2nd

New addition.

Gliscor @ Leftovers
Adamant
Hyper Cutter
EVs:252def,252hp
X-scissor
Poison Jab
Night Slash
Ice Fang

A new wall. I hope this one doesn't have as many problems as the others.


Togekiss @ Leftovers
Timid
Hustle
EVs:252spd,252sp.atk,4hp
Ancientpower
Baton Pass
Air Slash
Shadow Ball

I think this makes quite a good special sweeper in a way. And i like it.Timid to outrun, Hustle coz i don't use physicalKiss. Wadda u think evry1?
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64 HP / 252 Sp.A / 192 Spe
Modest Nature
Trait : Serene Grace.
- Nasty Plot
- Air Slash
- Aura Sphere
- Roost

Rips Apart stuff. Hustle is generally bad on any Kiss set apart from the CB set, 60% Flinch Hax that serene grace grants is better.


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252 HP / 188 DEF / 72 SPEED
Impish nature
Trait : Sand Veil
- Aerial Ace / Ice Fang / Stone Edge
- Earthquake
- Roost
- Stealth Rock / Knock off / Taunt

This is a wall, your set was just offensive in both senses of the word. It had no recovery move, it was just all out attack. It didnt even have Earthquake for gods sake o_o. 72 Speed evs outspeed Jolly T-Tar, Breloom, and Timid Magnezone.
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I think i may have got all the help,along with looking at the compiled guides,i need to make a good team, but just to be sure:

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Hasty
Intimidate
EVs:252atk,252spd,4hp
Aqua Tail
Avalanche
Dragon Dance
Strength


The Leader from hell (or maybe heaven...no hell..i don't know)

Dragonite @ Leftovers
Adamant
Inner Focus
EVs:252atk,252spd,4hp
Outrage
Dragon Dance
Earthquake
Fire Punch


The Dragon Sweeper

Tentacruel @Leftovers
Modest
Clear Body
EVs:252sp.def,252hp,4spd
Hydro Pump
Sludge Bomb
Giga Drain
Toxic Spikes


I think i might have cracked this one's EVs finally

Lucario @ Focus Band
Naive
Inner Focus
EVs:250atk,150sp.atk,106spd
Drain Punch
Aura Sphere
Extremespeed
Dragon Pulse


Same nature,same poke. Just with a way of healing (slightly)

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Modest Nature
Trait : Serene Grace.
Nasty Plot
Air Slash
Aura Sphere
Roost


All hail Plotkiss

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Sand Veil
252 hp, 188 def, 72 spd
Ice Fang
Earthquake
Roost
Stealth Rock


Yet again you were right Dark_Azelf, it was too atacking, in fact it was that bad that it got took out by my brother's Blaziken, which only knows fire moves and isn't EV trained.
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Old April 19th, 2008 (12:38 PM).
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the horrible color makes a quoted rate impossible, so...

Gyarados: Strength is horrible...just horrible. Avalanche on a DD set isn't smart thinking either. Gyarados is a bad enough lead with Taunt and DD, but without Taunt it is just...horrific. Try:

Gyarados @ Leftovers / Wacan Berry
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 212 HP / 16 Atk / 180 Def / 100 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Taunt
- Waterfall / Stone Edge
- Earthquake / Stone Edge

Dragonite: Pretty pointless with Gyarados on your team. Replace it or Gyarados.

Tentacruel: I don't know a lot about it, but I can tell you that Hydro Pump is a no-no.

Lucario: Just...no. I would visit Smogon's page on it, it's done very well and will certainly help you come up with a better set than the one you have. Also, Focus Band is banned.

Togekiss: Looks fine to me...until I saw "PlotKiss"

Gliscor: Fine, but outspeeding things on a team as defensively weak as this one probably shouldn't be a priority.


Offensively, this team is very unbalanced and weak. You absolutely terrify Blissey, but physical walls walk all over you (especially since many can PHaze Togekiss). I would replace Dragonite or Gyarados for a better special wall than Tentacruel (though Tenta is a good poke, but as a special wall it is lacking).

I would also take out Lucario for a rapid spinner like Starmie, who would also cover up several of your weaknesses.
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Old April 20th, 2008 (3:45 AM). Edited April 20th, 2008 by Divine~Deoxys.
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I this a good mixed wall?

Probopass @ Lefties
Quirky
Sturdy
EVs:168def,168sp.def,168hp (exactly a third of 508 for each)
Rest
Thunderbolt/Discharge
Thunder Wave
Earth Power/Flash Cannon

If not, how about this one

Bronzong @ Lefties
Quirky
EVs: 168hp,168def,168sp.def (the same as he who has nose hair)
Gyro Ball
Rest
Hypnosis/Reflect
Dream Eater/Light Screen

I figured that if i had one of these i would be able to drop Gyarados, Tenta and Gliscor to focus on a rapid spinner and a special sweep like these:

Rapid Spinner

Starmie @ Shed Shell
Modest
Natural Cure
EVs:252sp.atk,252spd,4hp
Rapid Spin
Psychic
Power Gem
Surf/Brine

Special sweeper

Drifblim @ (IDEAS?)
Timid
Aftermath
EVs:252sp.atk,252spd,4hp
Shadow Ball
Silver Wind
Baton Pass
Hypnosis/Destiny Bond

OR this one

Latios @ Lax Incense
Nature: forgot,sorry
Levitate
EVs:252spd,252sp.atk,4hp
Psychic
Dragon Pulse
Recover
Energy Ball

I have looked in the compiled guides and it is NOT an uber coz i don't hav a Soul Dew.
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I this a good mixed wall?

Probopass @ Lefties
Quirky
Sturdy
EVs:168def,168sp.def,168hp (exactly a third of 508 for each)
Rest
Thunderbolt/Discharge
Thunder Wave
Earth Power/Flash Cannon
This thing sucks. It has 2 4x weaknesses, and it sucks. Did i mention it sucks? Dont uae it.

If not, how about this one

Bronzong @ Lefties
Quirky
EVs: 168hp,168def,168sp.def (the same as he who has nose hair)
Gyro Ball
Rest
Hypnosis/Reflect
Dream Eater/Light Screen
A better choice, but the set/EVs need changing. I will try and find the standard for you.


I figured that if i had one of these i would be able to drop Gyarados, Tenta and Gliscor to focus on a rapid spinner and a special sweep like these:

Rapid Spinner

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Timid
Natural Cure
172HP/122SpAtt/216Spd
Rapid Spin
Reover
Thunderbolt
Surf
Aweful starmie set makes PokeJesus cry :(
WTF is shed shell going to achieve? Really, thats just stupid.


Special sweeper

Drifblim @ (IDEAS?)
Timid
Aftermath
EVs:252sp.atk,252spd,4hp
Shadow Ball
Silver Wind
Baton Pass
Hypnosis/Destiny Bond
No, No and a bit more NO. It's SpAtt is too low without an item boost and it's speed is too low with an item attatched. It's a sub-passer, not a sweeper. Scrap the idea please

OR this one

Latios @ Lax Incense
Nature: forgot,sorry
Levitate
EVs:252spd,252sp.atk,4hp
Psychic
Dragon Pulse
Recover
Energy Ball

I have looked in the compiled guides and it is NOT an uber coz i don't hav a Soul Dew.
Well according to the tier list it's uber with or without it, so it cant be used.
Here's some advice for you- When people give you advice, take it into account. Adjust your current team. What you don't do is ignore thei advice, and post some new random sets hoping they work :|
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Dragonite @ Shell Bell Leftovers
Quirky
Adamant
Inner Focus
Evs:252sp.atk,100spdNo idea about the EVs.
Aqua TailFire Blast/Fire Punch
Dragon Dance
Outrage
Stone Edge/EQEarthquake

My physical sweeper and all-out rampager, can take out most in 2/3 turns.
Sure...It won't do much without Adamant or if it's that slow.

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Timid/Modest
Synchronize
Evs:178atk,115sp.def252 Special Attack/252 Speed/6 HP
Psychic
Morning SunHP Fighting
Shadow Ball
Grass Knot

My special sweeper. Shadow Ball helps out against ghost types and grass knot is for a bit of unpredictability.
No.Grass Knot is expected on a sweeper set for Espeon.

Umbreon @ Leftovers
ModestBold/Calm/Careful
Synchronize
Evs:152spdSorry I forgot this too.
Confuse RaySleep Talk
Dark Pulse
Substitute Rest
Embargo
Toxic

My annoyer. Goes out against tough pokes, preferably slow ones, and stops them in their tracks.
You think?Can it survive 2-3 Dynamicpunches from Machamp that never miss?

Metagross @ Scope Lens
Hardy

Clear Body
Evs:70atk,100spd,97sp.atk
Magnet RiseIce Punch
Meteor Mash
Flash Cannon/EQ EQ
Psychic/Zen HeadbuttExplosion

My Tank. Magnet Rise protects from the ever-present Earthquake,while Meteor Mash crushes Ice.I can’t decide between Flash Cannon or EQ,and Psychic or Zen Headbutt.
Manet Rise is useless.It can survive a non-boosted Garchomp's EQ with ease then why fear EQ so much?Ice Punch is a nice alternative for dragons so really consider it.

Flygon @ (insert item here)Choice Scarf/Life Orb
Rash/Naughty/Naive
Levitate
Evs:Unknown
EQ/Earth Power
Giga Drain
Dragon Claw
Flamethrower/Fire Blast

My multi-type mixed sweeper. Specializes in Whiscash, Swampert and Quagsire, but is brilliant against most. My Skarmory and Bronzong Basher, as I have noticed they are so popular.
You won't do nothing against my classic special-walling only Bronzong.Dragon Claw still won't do much and Flamethrower is pitiable against Max HP/Max Special Defense Bronzong.



Lucario @ Razor Fang
NaïveI believe Adamant is the recommended nature for SDing Lucario.
Evs:252 Attack/252 Speed/6 HP
Close Combat
Extremespeed
EQ
Stone Edge/Blaze Kick

The one that cleans up.Can take on pretty much anything. Struggles against EQ,so the sp.def Evs were perfect.
It will still die to EQs from Metagross or other common Ground type attack users no matter what you do to pump up it's defenses.Even if it did,it's Attack and Sp.Attack is pitiful and won't KO.
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Old April 20th, 2008 (11:39 AM). Edited April 20th, 2008 by Divine~Deoxys.
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I am not going to be posting on this thread until i can get a fully planned team sorted, however please feelo free to comment on/diss my pokes.

No my Umbreon can't survive 3 Dynamicpunches, but i've scrapped it, so it doesn't matter lalapizzamme
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Old April 22nd, 2008 (10:20 AM).
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Hi, i tink i've got it sorted now. I think (although it is hard since Dragonite blew up my house and my DS with it)
So here it is:
Dragonite @ Lefties
Adamant nature

Inner Focus
252atk,252spd,4hp
Outrage
Dragon Dance
Fire Punch
Earthquake

The leader, crushes special walls like bugs.(he crushes humans too)

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Relaxed

240hp,212def,56sp.atk
Surf
Earthquake
Avalanche
Stealth Rock


He who is big.Andscary.

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Modest Nature
Trace
252hp,176sp.def,48sp.atk,32spd

Hypnosis
Wish
Psychic
Shadow Ball


Special Wall. Murders you in your sleep. (Hypnopsychic)
Lucario @ Life Orb
Naive Nature
Inner Focus
252sp.atk,252spd,4hp
Aura Sphere
Flash Cannon
Dragon Pulse
Dark pulse


Special Luke is…special and i can't let him go...(i has a favrit!)

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Calm

252hp,162sp.def,96spd.
Ice Beam
Mind Reader
Sheer Cold
Roost


Mindfreezer.

Starmie @ Leftovers
Timid
Natural Cure
252spd,252sp.atk,4hp
Rapid Spin
Recover
Power Gem
Surf

Yes, i know power gem isn't comon but i like it.

so.....wadda u think?


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Sigh,
No physical wall, your special wall isnt the greatest choice either.
OHKO moves are banned.
Your lead is likely to be KO'ed by anything with ice attacks, leaving you with no physical sweeper.
Power gem isnt common on starmie because it sucks. Use the standard stamrie i posted
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Old April 22nd, 2008 (10:37 AM). Edited April 22nd, 2008 by Divine~Deoxys.
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Oops. Oh yeah, i wasn't actually meaning to put Gardevoir in there. It was meant to be Bronzong, so i didn't have to have 2 walls, because if a fire pokemon comes, Starmie and Dragonite aren't exactly going to be beat up by it. unless its a Nape with punches.

Here's my Zong set:

Bronzong @ lefties (i likes lefties)
Relaxed
Levitate
252hp,148sp.def,108def
Gyro Ball
EQ
Rest
Light Screen

And if OHKO moves are banned Articuno is pointless, so i'll use this:

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Timid
Serene Grace
252spd,252sp.atk,4hp
Aura Sphere
Ancientpower
Air Slash
Roost

Togekiss, the only reason to cxatch Togepi (unless you like cute contests instead of real battles).

And i would go with your standard Starmie but for one thing: i don't have T-bolt. so...i'll go with Flash Cannon.
Thanks for bringing me down to earth. And i'll change to mixluke:
Lucario @ Life Orb
Naive (so i don't need as much spd)
Inner Focus
200sp.atk,200atk,108spd
Aura Sphere
Extremespeed
Dark Pulse
Drain Punch/Poison Jab
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You shouldnt be basing your walling on attack type, but attack kind. A special wall will usually die quickly to physical attacks weather it takes super effective damage or not. You need a wall for both physical and special.
And Nape almost always carries an electric attack, so you'd be screwed.
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Dragonite @ Lefties
Jolly nature

Inner Focus
252atk,252spd,4hp
Outrage
Dragon Dance
Fire Punch
Earthquake

Wants jolly

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Relaxed

240hp,212def,56sp.atk
Surf
Earthquake
ice Beam
Stealth Rock


avalanche is stupid, Ice beam ohkos Salamence after an intimidate unlike avalanche.


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Trace
252hp,176sp.def,48sp.atk,32spd

Will-o-wisp
Wish
Psychic
Shadow Ball

Good, Will-o-wisp is better, physical sweepers are gonna want to come in and Pursuit you, so at least cripple them.

Lucario @ Choice Specs
Timid Nature
Inner Focus
252sp.atk,252spd,4hp
Aura Sphere
Vacuum Wave
Dragon Pulse
Dark pulse

Flash Cannon is no..... vacuum Wave is yes, ohko on weavile and t-tar and finishing off weakened opponents = win. Timid >> Naive. CHOICE SPECS NOW !!!


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252hp,162sp.def,96 Def
Ice Beam
Roar
Reflect / Heal Bell /Toxic

Roost


Yeah, what an awesome combo.....not. You do realize people can switch out of that noob combo after you mind reader =/ Also Sheer Cold is banned in competitive battling. Put those 96 evs in Def.

Starmie @ Leftovers
Timid
Natural Cure
172 HP / 120 SP.ATT / 216 Speed.
Rapid Spin
Recover
Thunderbolt
Surf

There is a reason power gem isnt Common and thats becasue is fails horribly. Thunderbolt plzzz, so you can beat Gyarados, also bulk up your ev spread so you can take a hit from Ape and Dos.. 252 speed is overkill aswell, 216 is all it needs to Outrun gengar, which is whay you should be aiming for.


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Your quite weavile weak tbh, also nothing can come in on Heracross. Put a steel in such as metagross or Scizor.


You also need a more reliable Physical wall. Consider Weezing.
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Old April 23rd, 2008 (8:29 AM). Edited April 23rd, 2008 by Divine~Deoxys.
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Oh, by the way i put a wrong move in for Togekiss, it's Baton Pass instead of Ancientpower. Should i drop Roost/Aura Sphere
and make it a Wishpasser?And when you say i have no way of dealing with Heracross, doesn't Fire Punch get a super-effective hit cross? It could possibly even get a OHKO if i'm lucky.
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Oh, by the way i put a wrong move in for Togekiss, it's Baton Pass instead of Ancientpower. Should i drop Roost/Aura Sphere
and make it a Wishpasser?And when you say i have no way of dealing with Heracross, doesn't Fire Punch get a super-effective hit cross? It could possibly even get a OHKO if i'm lucky.
Thing is, a counter must be able to switch in first, Dragonite cannot do this, thanks to heracross having Stone Edge.
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Hm, good point. How about this Infernape?

Infernape @ Life Orb
Impish (i tried top breed a better one, but i figured i might as well try get some durability)
252atk,252spd,4hp
U-turn
Aerial Ace
Close Combat/Drain Punch (which is better? the other will go on Lucario)
Flare Blitz

If this is any good, please tell me who to swap it for. And DON'T say Dragonite.

(he'll kill me if i drop him)
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Infernape's not meant to be durable. Keep breeding blease.
Ariel Ace and UTurn are doing nothing for him.
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252Att/252Spd/6HP
Jolly
FlareBlitz
CloseCombat
StoneEdge
Thunderpunch
Standard PhysApe methinks.
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Infernape needs Swords Dance.

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Jolly
FlareBlitz
CloseCombat
StoneEdge/Thunderpunch
Swords Dance

This is standard
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Infernape's not meant to be durable. Keep breeding blease.
Ariel Ace and UTurn are doing nothing for him.
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Jolly
FlareBlitz
CloseCombat
StoneEdge
Thunderpunch
Standard PhysApe methinks.
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Jolly
FlareBlitz
CloseCombat
StoneEdge/Thunderpunch
Swords Dance

This is standard
Yeah, either one of those works.


Also on the Choice Bander, i like U-Turn >> T-Punch, its nice for scouting and to know what your counters are.
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Jolly
Inner Focus
252atk,252spd,4hp
Outrage/Dragon Claw/Dragon Rush
Dragon Dance
Fire Punch
EQ

I was wondering if i should go for uncontrollable power (Outrage),accurate, yet weaker power(Dragon Claw), or innacurate (Dragon Rush). Can anyone tell me?

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Timid
Serene Grace
252sp.atk,192spd,64hp
Wish
Baton Pass
Aura Sphere/Roost
Air Slash

Complete and utter rethink. This helps the others better, but has less variety in the way of offense.

Lucario @ Life Orb
Naive (so i don't need as much spd)
Inner Focus
200sp.atk,200atk,108spd
Aura Sphere
Extremespeed
Dark Pulse/Dragon Pulse
Drain Punch/Poison Jab

A bit of a change, but i like mixluke, i really do. And it works.

Swampert @ Leftovers
Relaxed
240hp,212def,56atk
Avalanche
Waterfall
EQ
Stealth Rock/Protect/Rest

Reasoning behind Avalanche is below.

My last two slots will either be taken by:

THESE

Blastoise @ Leftovers
Calm
240hp,212sp.def,56sp.atk
Surf/Hydro Pump
Ice Beam (told you there was reasoning)
Rapid Spin
Rest/Protect/Stealth Rock

Rapid Spinner/Special Wall

and

Cresselia @ Leftovers
Modest
Levitate
240hp,212def,56sp.atk
Psychic
Moonlight
Charge Beam
Reflect

Physical Wall as provided by he who loves Ice Beam.

OR

Starmie @ Leftovers
Timid
Natural Cure
172hp,122sp.atk,216spd
Rapid Spin
Recover
Thunderbolt
Surf

Rapid Spinner

and

Cresselia @ Leftovers
Modest
Levitate
240hp,212sp.def,56sp.atk
Psychic
Moonlight
Ice Beam
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Special Walling Cresselia

Do i have to many Psychic types if i use the 2nd option?
That was the main reason i couldn't decide which 2 to use. Oh, and before you state the obvious, i know i am weak to anything that knows Crunch and an electric type attack, but i think EQ on Dragonite makes up for it.
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Old April 25th, 2008 (12:12 PM).
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Please, if you are reading this thread, ignore it as i am starting a new one.
 

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