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Old April 19th, 2008 (8:07 PM).
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Hippowdon @ Leftovers
Trait: Sandstream
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 spcl defence
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Ice Fang
- Slack off

Sets up the sandstorm. could possibly fit roar in their somewhere.

Garchomp @ Life orb
Trait: Sand Veil
EVs: 252 Attack / 252 speed/ 6 hp
Jolly Nature (+speed, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Dragon claw
- Earthquake
- Fire blast

I'm aware that this is uber on this site so i guess this is now for my marriland battles.

Cacturne @Focus Sash
Trait: Sand Veil
Ev's 252 Attack/ 252 speed/ 6hp
Adamant Nature (+attack,- spcl attack)
-Swords Dance
-Seed Bomb
-Counter
-sucker punch

Very prediction based. What will this thing do, you just don't know:D

P.S no idiots posting here saying but sandstorms gunna mess up your focus sash as you will be shot.

Suicune @Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EV's 252 hp/ 252 defence/ 6 special defence
Bold nature (+defence,- attack)
-Calm mind
-Surf
-Ice beam/ rest
-Roar

Calmcune. Been testing first with rest and now with ice beam. I prefer the latter, hits gyrados and nice for dragons.

Regirock @leftovers
Trait: Clear Body
EV's: 252 HP/ 252 special defence/ 6 defence
Careful Nature (+ special defence, - special attack)
-Curse
-Stone edge
-Earthquake/fire punch
-toxic

Very handy special wall. Plus the 1.5 special defence boost from sandstorm in conjunction with 200 base defence and curse. And you tell me i should pick cradily because it has a recovery move. laugh out loud.

Tyranitar @ Leftovers
Trait: Sandstream
EVs: 252 HP / 188 SpA / 68 Spe
Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -speed)
- Substitute
- Focus Punch
- Dark Pulse
- Thunderbolt

This thing is ridiculously fun to play with. I prefer it with T-bolt over ice beam but either way is nice.


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I'm not THAT dumb, though.

My point being, is that Quiet doesn't do a good enough job on tyraniboah. If you desire speed so much, go Hasty, as it has adds speed and lowers defense. Modest, however, is better, and Focus Punch still does a considerable amount of damage. It also has no effect on speed and is neutral.
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Old April 19th, 2008 (9:24 PM).
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P.S no idiots posting here saying but sandstorms gunna mess up your focus sash as you will be shot.
Sandstorm wont ruin your focus sash because cacturne has sand viel but hail will.
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Old April 19th, 2008 (9:25 PM). Edited April 19th, 2008 by silver%.
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damnit lol y couldnt you say this seperatly"P.S no idiots posting here saying but sandstorms gunna mess up your focus sash as you will be shot." i woulda put that in my sig with the quickness lol but down to buisness


i like your team it is very balanced my suggestions are since garchomp isnt really that fast with 333 speed or so i suggest maybe running chain chomp
it would have 300 speed 259 sp atk and would be mixed much better than that of that garchomp. but if you were to do your garchomp i would run naive over jolly. it drops sp def i believe and you may need it for the random ice shard users. this gives garchomp a slite boost in sp def while giving you a possible chance to survive ice shard attacks

fire punch on regirock because well its just nice to have .

other than that i would say your team is perfect good job kudos. nice balance
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Old April 19th, 2008 (9:30 PM). Edited April 19th, 2008 by luke.
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It's call TyraniBoah. And everyone, proper English is the key everyone. Use it or your posts will be deleted.
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Old April 19th, 2008 (9:32 PM).
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@pew. thankyou for pointing that out i already know that. that was the whole point of the pun. thanks for the rate silver, point noted. and to the other guy, well, yeah......... tyraniboah.
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ok sorry...by the way where do you battle i have seen you make a post but i have never seen you request a battle in the forums
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Yes.It's a popular version of Tyranitar.I would prefer Ice Beam over Thunderbolt for giving a nice big hit to the 4x weak to Ice Dragons.Thunderbolt is quite useless on Tyraniboah besides Starmie and Gyarados but it isn't even meant to be staying in against them.
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Old April 19th, 2008 (9:40 PM). Edited April 19th, 2008 by daveyboy.
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ok sorry...by the way where do you battle i have seen you make a post but i have never seen you request a battle in the forums
usually i battle on marriland. i come here usually for the team ratings because their are better quality raters. I think we have actually battled before. i remember i beat you, i used a leading persian with choice specs and used switcheroo and stuffed your team round a bit for memory
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I'm not THAT dumb, though.

My point being, is that Quiet doesn't do a good enough job on tyraniboah. If you desire speed so much, go Hasty, as it has adds speed and lowers defense. Modest, however, is better, and Focus Punch still does a considerable amount of damage. It also has no effect on speed and is neutral.
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was that the noober team i was using....... i like egyptian cat i might get one yea you did mess me over with that one


did you ever get that swift on it it would do alot of damage
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Hippowdon @ Leftovers
Trait: Sandstream
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 spcl defence
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Ice Fang
- Slack off

Leave Roar out, Salamence is all too common of a lead, and you don't want to be set up on by one do you? However you could go with Stone Edge >> Ice Fang, if you want to be able to hit Gyara.

Garchomp @ Life orb
Trait: Sand Veil
EVs: 252 Attack / 252 speed/ 6 hp
Jolly Nature (+speed, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Dragon claw
- Earthquake
- Fire blast

*coughdeathcough* Yep, Uber here.

Cacturne @Focus Sash
Trait: Sand Veil
Ev's 252 Attack/ 252 speed/ 6hp
Adamant Nature (+attack,- spcl attack)
-Swords Dance
-Seed Bomb
-Counter
-sucker punch

Sandstorm will mess up your Focus Sash O_o

Suicune @Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EV's 252 hp/ 252 defence/ 6 special defence
Bold nature (+defence,- attack)
-Calm mind
-Surf
-Ice beam/ rest
-Roar

Well, if you can get 31 IVs in HP, I suggest Substitute. Lets you win vs. Blissey. I've always loved the fact that this thing gets Roar, kind of makes it ultimate.

Regirock @leftovers
Trait: Clear Body
EV's: 252 HP/ 252 special defence/ 6 defence
Careful Nature (+ special defence, - special attack)
-Curse
-Stone edge
-Earthquake
-toxic

I actually use one of these on my Sandstorm team. I go with Rest >> Toxic, but if you're stuck on using Toxic, go for it. Mine only took around 60 Damage (lol) after 4-5 Curses from a Dynamic Punch. Machamp....

Tyranitar @ Leftovers
Trait: Sandstream
EVs: 252 HP / 188 SpA / 68 Spe
Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -speed)
- Substitute
- Focus Punch
- Dark Pulse
- Thunderbolt

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was that the noober team i was using....... i like egyptian cat i might get one yea you did mess me over with that one


did you ever get that swift on it it would do alot of damage
yeah i made a new one and put swift on it. very handy pokemon. thanks for the review ooka. I reckon i will go for stone edge over ice fang, ice fangs weak on it and it'll need to be able to do something to gyrados leads. guess ill have to chuck in something else in for chomp, possibly cb meta

Metagross @ Choice band
Trait: Clear body
EV's: 252 attack, 252 HP
Adamant (+ attack,- specail attack)
-Meteor Mash
-Earthquake
-explosion
-bullet punch/thunderpunch

all good except it might need some speed ev's to get ahead of magnezone with magnet rise being an issue.

also @lalapizzame please tell me why i am more likely to leave tyranitar in against a dragon(garchomp, salamence) than a starmie, what can starmie possibly do to tyranitar in a sandstorm(1.5 special defense boost), surf would barely 3hko at best with surf and thats not even taking tar's leftovers into account. also thunderbolt would be ohko on gyrados so theres the other important factor.
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My point being, is that Quiet doesn't do a good enough job on tyraniboah. If you desire speed so much, go Hasty, as it has adds speed and lowers defense. Modest, however, is better, and Focus Punch still does a considerable amount of damage. It also has no effect on speed and is neutral.
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Tyraniboah is a versatile pokemon, able to run a TON of things these days -_-. T-bolt hammers Skarm, Starmie, and Gyarados, 3 important pokemon to rid of soon on. Ice Beam covers opposing ground-types from abusing your SS if you consider it, or you can go Flamethrower to deal with Forry + Ice types, although SE does that better. If you fear waters, then T-bolt is your choice. If you fear things like Salamence and Dragonite, then Ice Beam is your ticket.

The team looks solid in my opinion; nothing glares out instantly saying "I'M A COUNTER!"
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Yeah, Mixape really hurts this team as do SD Versions of foe Garchomp AND Taunt Gyarados. Especially since smogon ruined the analysis of mixape and put Hp ice as an option >> Nasty Plot ._. so useless on ape, and cuts its sweeping ability with no NP, but people still use Hp Ice.

Cacturnes sash will not last long, due to the stupid amount of Spikes, SR and Toxic spikes seeing as you have no spinner.

Starmie beats up ape and Gyarados, also Spins so id consider that. Also id advise to put in a random steel type e.g Skarm, Bronzong etc. as they dont die to Chomp immediately, and to soak up Outrages and other crap.

Also just another note, be careful of fighters, especially the CB Versions.You might want to get yourself a fighting resist.
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That that I am most impressed with is your Tyranitar. I hardly see any flaws
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Heracross is going to have fun with half of this team. I don't believe in throwing in one Pokemon to counter another specific Pokemon, but watch out for him lol. Otherwise everything looks good -- just be careful who you're playing against, tons of people I've played with consider Chomp and sometimes even Cune broken. :O
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Yes.It's a popular version of Tyranitar.I would prefer Ice Beam over Thunderbolt for giving a nice big hit to the 4x weak to Ice Dragons.Thunderbolt is quite useless on Tyraniboah besides Starmie and Gyarados but it isn't even meant to be staying in against them.
Useless besides Starmie and Gyarados? Eh, not so much. You're forgetting about Skarmory for starters. Really though, Thunderbolt is for all bulky waters besides Swampert.

Also, Tar will have a Sub up if you know how to use it, so Gyarados will have to break it while it gets hit by Thunderbolt. Thunderbolt isn't useless on Boah at all.

As for the team, lack of a fighting resist hurts a lot. Medicham and other powerful fighters just tear through all of your pokemon. Otherwise, what the others have said and I'm not going to repeat all that.

BTW, SS might not ruin Cacturne's Sash, but entry hazards will, so either drop it or get a spinner...otherwise it's a very big risk.
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Useless besides Starmie and Gyarados? Eh, not so much. You're forgetting about Skarmory for starters. Really though, Thunderbolt is for all bulky waters besides Swampert.

Also, Tar will have a Sub up if you know how to use it, so Gyarados will have to break it while it gets hit by Thunderbolt. Thunderbolt isn't useless on Boah at all.

As for the team, lack of a fighting resist hurts a lot. Medicham and other powerful fighters just tear through all of your pokemon. Otherwise, what the others have said and I'm not going to repeat all that.

BTW, SS might not ruin Cacturne's Sash, but entry hazards will, so either drop it or get a spinner...otherwise it's a very big risk.
I was just using the most common pokemon as an example although I truly forgot others.Gliscor stops Fighting types cold and SS doesn't do anything to it so you can consider that.Hail is another big issue since Abomasnow is common as well.So,I agree with replacing Cacturn.
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Heracross is going to have fun with half of this team. I don't believe in throwing in one Pokemon to counter another specific Pokemon, but watch out for him lol. Otherwise everything looks good -- just be careful who you're playing against, tons of people I've played with consider Chomp and sometimes even Cune broken. :O
Ok well as i said marriland battles only. But to be honest if you tell me garchomp is more 'BROKEN' than wobbufet on this website then something is very very wrong here Especially since there is no such thing as a wobbufet counter. Anyways thanks for the comments guys. I've tested this team out a bit and cacturne has had very mixed results. when it sets up it can stitch up plenty of foes. But as mentioned iv'e also seen its flaws in the increasingly frequent stealth rock/spikes/toxic spikes so i think cacturne has to go.
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My point being, is that Quiet doesn't do a good enough job on tyraniboah. If you desire speed so much, go Hasty, as it has adds speed and lowers defense. Modest, however, is better, and Focus Punch still does a considerable amount of damage. It also has no effect on speed and is neutral.
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Ok well as i said marriland battles only. But to be honest if you tell me garchomp is more 'BROKEN' than wobbufet on this website then something is very very wrong here Especially since there is no such thing as a wobbufet counter. Anyways thanks for the comments guys. I've tested this team out a bit and cacturne has had very mixed results. when it sets up it can stitch up plenty of foes. But as mentioned iv'e also seen its flaws in the increasingly frequent stealth rock/spikes/toxic spikes so i think cacturne has to go.
Taunt can completely shut Wobuffet down and you can make it Struggle getting 25% recoil from it every time Wobuffet uses it.Garchomp however,can't be shut down by Taunt and is very versatile and strong.
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Taunt can completely shut Wobuffet down and you can make it Struggle getting 25% recoil from it every time Wobuffet uses it.Garchomp however,can't be shut down by Taunt and is very versatile and strong.
Well seeing as nothing can safely switch in on a wobbufet(because nothing can switch when wobbufets in battle) i deem that the same class as garchomp. Not only that but you seem to be under the impression that when wobbufet gets taunted it can't be switched out afterwards. And lets be honest how many pokemon actually carry taunt. Gyrados, Tyranitar to an extent, maybe a few others. So in the unlikely event of you having taunt on your team then and only then can you shut down wobbufet(provided it is the last pokemon in your opponents team and can't be switched out.
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My point being, is that Quiet doesn't do a good enough job on tyraniboah. If you desire speed so much, go Hasty, as it has adds speed and lowers defense. Modest, however, is better, and Focus Punch still does a considerable amount of damage. It also has no effect on speed and is neutral.
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Taunt can completely shut Wobuffet down and you can make it Struggle getting 25% recoil from it every time Wobuffet uses it.Garchomp however,can't be shut down by Taunt and is very versatile and strong.
Um, what? Please tell me who is idiot enough to bring Wobbuffet in on something that can Taunt! I believe Garchomp should be uber, but Wobby is above and beyond more broken than Garchomp is.

Quite frankly, I think the argument of Taunt against Wobbuffet is the most ridiculous one ever used since Wobbuffet's Shadow Tag prevents switching. That's like saying a team with 5 pokemon weak to Dugtrio and a Skarmory laughs at Dugtrio, when in reality Duggy can trap and kill what dies to it, just like Wobby can.

Also, Garchomp's individual sets each have counters (though very few). Wobbuffet is...totally different.

But come on, who switches a pokemon in on something that counters it? That doesn't really make any sense >.>
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Um, what? Please tell me who is idiot enough to bring Wobbuffet in on something that can Taunt! I believe Garchomp should be uber, but Wobby is above and beyond more broken than Garchomp is.

Quite frankly, I think the argument of Taunt against Wobbuffet is the most ridiculous one ever used since Wobbuffet's Shadow Tag prevents switching. That's like saying a team with 5 pokemon weak to Dugtrio and a Skarmory laughs at Dugtrio, when in reality Duggy can trap and kill what dies to it, just like Wobby can.

Also, Garchomp's individual sets each have counters (though very few). Wobbuffet is...totally different.

But come on, who switches a pokemon in on something that counters it? That doesn't really make any sense >.>
Encore is a less common move that can shut it down too.Although,I suppose Skarmory can taunt it and Whirlwind it away and it isn't considered a counter?Now,back to the team.Suicune could have HP Electric to hurt Gyarados while even Ice Beam from Milotic won't do much.On Tyranitar,why Dark Pulse?It has inferior coverage and Ice Beam could replace it for BoltBeam for better coverage.Focus Sash,still won't work on Cacturne.Other common weather can still ruin it and priority moves are even better at ruining it.I wouldn't consider Roar on Hippowdon a neccesity and isn't needed for losing Slack Off is losing vital recovery and your offensive choices...quite obvious.Stealth Rock is really good for Focus Sashers too.
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Encore is a less common move that can shut it down too.Although,I suppose Skarmory can taunt it and Whirlwind it away and it isn't considered a counter?Now,back to the team.Suicune could have HP Electric to hurt Gyarados while even Ice Beam from Milotic won't do much.On Tyranitar,why Dark Pulse?It has inferior coverage and Ice Beam could replace it for BoltBeam for better coverage.Focus Sash,still won't work on Cacturne.Other common weather can still ruin it and priority moves are even better at ruining it.I wouldn't consider Roar on Hippowdon a neccesity and isn't needed for losing Slack Off is losing vital recovery and your offensive choices...quite obvious.Stealth Rock is really good for Focus Sashers too.
well so far you've mentioned 2 moves that can shut it down. Taunt and encore. Both of those are incredibly uncommon on a standard team and you wouldn't dream of including them on pokes if its only to 'counter' wobbufet as you say. And as we have already mentioned if wobbufet gets taunted/encored i am tipping theres no way anyone would be stupid enough to leave it in battle. To counter garchomp you only need to know what set its running and it becomes a bit easier provided you have a good physical wall on the team(hippowdon in my case). Anyways obviously dark pulse for stab and as iv'e mentioned i'd be switching it out in the event of a rival chomp or mence so i don't think ice beam would get much use.
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My point being, is that Quiet doesn't do a good enough job on tyraniboah. If you desire speed so much, go Hasty, as it has adds speed and lowers defense. Modest, however, is better, and Focus Punch still does a considerable amount of damage. It also has no effect on speed and is neutral.
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well so far you've mentioned 2 moves that can shut it down. Taunt and encore. Both of those are incredibly uncommon on a standard team and you wouldn't dream of including them on pokes if its only to 'counter' wobbufet as you say. And as we have already mentioned if wobbufet gets taunted/encored i am tipping theres no way anyone would be stupid enough to leave it in battle. To counter garchomp you only need to know what set its running and it becomes a bit easier provided you have a good physical wall on the team(hippowdon in my case). Anyways obviously dark pulse for stab and as iv'e mentioned i'd be switching it out in the event of a rival chomp or mence so i don't think ice beam would get much use.
They're not that uncommon you know.I recall one of them is on a standard set of a pokemon.I think Tyranitar?in which case,isn't just to counter Wobuffet but to block Whirlwinds and Roars.Hippowdon falls to Swords Dance Outrage in 2 hits so it can't KO while Garchomp is helped by Hippowdon then the rest of your team follows Hippowdon's demise.Well,most of it anyway.Garchomp really depends on who gets the tie on speed to bless them and Cacturne might not be enough to KO the weakened Garchomp.Suicune is like Hippowdon.Even Regirock won't survive SUPER Effective Swords Dance Earthquake after like 2-3 hits.Tyranitar instantly gets OHKOed by Earthquake and your whole moveset isn't going to 2HKO Garchomp either because Ice Beam isn't there.
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I'm aware that garchomp has the potential to sweep any team. And besides. hippowdon switches in. garchomp swords dance.Garchomp uses earthquake, hippowdon uses ice fang, puts down to low health, garchomp uses earthquake. hippowdon possibly faints(thats even debatable depending on the set.) Caturne comes in. caturne sucker punches. garchomp faints. Thats one pokemon down. If garchomp quakes first turn rather than swords dance i can slack off the damage without being 2hkod. So either way you're wrong here. And besides im not arguing that garchomp does have a direct counter, i'm saying if you tell me garchomp is broken and wobbufet is not then something is wrong here. Also daveyboy says: Gyrados, Tyranitar to an extent, maybe a few others. I already named tyranitar as one poke that has taunt. Theres about 3 maximum that have taunt in their standard sets so if you are lucky enough to have one of these on your team, maybe you could possibly take down wobbufet despite losing 1-2 pokes max. Once again provided it is your opponents last poke and can't switch out when taunted.
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I'm not THAT dumb, though.

My point being, is that Quiet doesn't do a good enough job on tyraniboah. If you desire speed so much, go Hasty, as it has adds speed and lowers defense. Modest, however, is better, and Focus Punch still does a considerable amount of damage. It also has no effect on speed and is neutral.
 

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