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Old April 26th, 2008 (8:43 AM).
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Encore is a less common move that can shut it down too.Although,I suppose Skarmory can taunt it and Whirlwind it away and it isn't considered a counter?
Of course it isn't. It's because Wobbuffet STOPS YOU FROM SWITCHING. Also, who uses Taunt on Skarmory? lol

Also, Taunt and Encore ARE that uncommon. DDtar is STRICTLY for late-game sweeping, and bringing it our usually isn't a good idea. In fact, it never is. Gyarados is really the only common pokemon that can Taunt, and Wobbuffet just won't switch in on it. Simple.

Seriously, nothing you say makes any sense. No matter what moves can shut down Wobbuffet, it cannot be countered. Period.
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Of course it isn't. It's because Wobbuffet STOPS YOU FROM SWITCHING. Also, who uses Taunt on Skarmory? lol

Also, Taunt and Encore ARE that uncommon. DDtar is STRICTLY for late-game sweeping, and bringing it our usually isn't a good idea. In fact, it never is. Gyarados is really the only common pokemon that can Taunt, and Wobbuffet just won't switch in on it. Simple.

Seriously, nothing you say makes any sense. No matter what moves can shut down Wobbuffet, it cannot be countered. Period.
You do know that I quit that argument like 10 hours ago,right?However,If Wobuffet is the only pokemon left,and Gyarados/Tyranitar is already out on the field,do you think it can escape the wrath of Gyarados/Tyranitar or do anything at all after it's taunted?It can not switch and will die in 5 hits of Struggle.The only way it will escape using Struggle is if it can switch but it can't,so,it's trapped and becomes useless and...we all know the rest.
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if wobuffet isn't hurt at all it won't die in five struggles,it's impossible(especially when it's ev'd in hp,if it is then yes
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if wobuffet isn't hurt at all it won't die in five struggles,it's impossible(especially when it's ev'd in hp,if it is then yes
25% HP gets taken away every Struggle.That's not factoring in Gyarados' Waterfall which would make it die even faster.So,even then it still dies in 5 Struggles.
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i didn't know that struggle makes 25% damage.......thanks.
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Old April 26th, 2008 (9:25 AM).
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You do know that I quit that argument like 10 hours ago,right?However,If Wobuffet is the only pokemon left,and Gyarados/Tyranitar is already out on the field,do you think it can escape the wrath of Gyarados/Tyranitar or do anything at all after it's taunted?It can not switch and will die in 5 hits of Struggle.The only way it will escape using Struggle is if it can switch but it can't,so,it's trapped and becomes useless and...we all know the rest.
IF Wobbuffet is the last pokemon. If anything is the last pokemon and it's up against something that has the upper hand, it's going to lose. That's like saying "If Moltres is your last pokemon and you're up against Snorlax, you're toast." But again, Wobby will not come in on anything with Taunt. If it's the last pokemon is a VERY big "if."

Anyways, pretty much what everybody esle has said for the rest of the team.
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Old April 26th, 2008 (9:36 AM).
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anyways.....if wobuffet is last it can't affect your team unless it has psychic......but......even then it can't affect you BADLY because of it's low stats(even with ev training,you must use all of its ev on its spattack)which means that wobbuffet isn't an appropriate pokemon for a team unless you know how to use it(cheaterly ha!)
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anyways.....if wobuffet is last it can't affect your team unless it has psychic......but......even then it can't affect you BADLY because of it's low stats(even with ev training,you must use all of its ev on its spattack)which means that wobbuffet isn't an appropriate pokemon for a team unless you know how to use it(cheaterly ha!)
It can't learn Psychic.It can't even learn Rest.So you're wasting your time EV Training it in Spec.Attack.
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but.....it's not normal.wobbuffet is a psychic type.have you tested that?
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but.....it's not normal.wobbuffet is a psychic type.have you tested that?
Yes.I looked at a guide I bought and no TMs or Psychic was there.It's called common sense.Why would a Wobuffet,with base 33 Spec.Attack stat get banned to Ubers because of Psychic?Psychic bounces off Blissey and Leftovers shaves the damage right off.
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right.the guide probably didn't take into account the ev training in spattack
without ev training in spattack wobbuffet isn't able to perform a strong psychic
i suggest you not to go with wobbuffet.you'll get into trouble.........
why don't you use something else instead of wobbuffet?
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right.the guide probably didn't take into account the ev training in spattack
without ev training in spattack wobbuffet isn't able to perform a strong psychic
i suggest you not to go with wobbuffet.you'll get into trouble.........
why don't you use something else instead of wobbuffet?
No, it can't learn Psychic at all. Wobbuffet gets Encore, Destiny Bond, Splash, Mirror Coat, Counter, Charm, Safeguard, and that's about it. (There might be a few others, but Psychic isn't one of them.) Wobbuffet is immensely powerful due to its ability of Shadow Tag, however.
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right.the guide probably didn't take into account the ev training in spattack
without ev training in spattack wobbuffet isn't able to perform a strong psychic

i suggest you not to go with wobbuffet.you'll get into trouble.........
why don't you use something else instead of wobbuffet?

What the hell ?? Why wouldnt the guide take into account of ev training in sp.att. Wobuffet isnt a sweeper and cant learn any TMS.


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I hope you realize how broken that combination of moves is along with its ability, Shadow Tag, you cant switch out


If you try and set up on it, Swords Dance etc, it Encores and you go to another pokemon. If you decide to attack it , you get owned simple as that.
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What the hell ?? Why wouldnt the guide take into account of ev training in sp.att. Wobuffet isnt a sweeper and cant learn any TMS.


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I hope you realize how broken that combination of moves is along with its ability, Shadow Tag, you cant switch out


If you try and set up on it, Swords Dance etc, it Encores and you go to another pokemon. If you decide to attack it , you get owned simple as that.
I already told him Wob. can't learn any TMs.Although the RMT should follow your moveset.
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What the hell ?? Why wouldnt the guide take into account of ev training in sp.att. Wobuffet isnt a sweeper and cant learn any TMS.


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If you try and set up on it, Swords Dance etc, it Encores and you go to another pokemon. If you decide to attack it , you get owned simple as that.
if wobbuffet is the last pokemon, then encore isn't really a problem.you just raise your attack for 1-6 turns and you kill it!but if there are any other pokemon in game you're screwd because of swadow tag!then you must focus on the other pokemon until wobbuffet stays alone.and if it encores both of your pokemon then......make a wish
swadow tag and encore are the BIG problems
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if wobbuffet is the last pokemon, then encore isn't really a problem.you just raise your attack for 1-6 turns and you kill it!but if there are any other pokemon in game you're screwd because of swadow tag!then you must focus on the other pokemon until wobbuffet stays alone.and if it encores both of your pokemon then......make a wish
swadow tag and encore are the BIG problems
Mirror Coat and Counter are bigger ones.Almost nothing can OHKO it but it can inflict X2 the huge amount of damage it received and OHKO you.
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when we talk about competitive battling,it's more easy to kill wobbuffet.if you're afraid of counter and mirror coat,try boosted attacks and you may succeed but don't expect to ohko it easily.i mean,you may not
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when we talk about competitive battling,it's more easy to kill wobbuffet.if you're afraid of counter and mirror coat,try boosted attacks and you may succeed but don't expect to ohko it easily.i mean,you may not
What if you're using a tank with low offensive force?You can't keep up with low force against 2X that force being used against a rather low HP tank.
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when we talk about competitive battling,it's more easy to kill wobbuffet.if you're afraid of counter and mirror coat,try boosted attacks and you may succeed but don't expect to ohko it easily.i mean,you may not
How can you try a boosted attack ? if you try and boost your stats, it will Encore you and then your stuck boosting your move for 5 turns, in which time they can go to a counter.
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What if you're using a tank with low offensive force?You can't keep up with low force against 2X that force being used against a rather low HP tank.
wobbuffet in't a low hp tank and i don't think you would be such a moron to counter it with a low-offensive-force tank
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wobbuffet in't a low hp tank and i don't think you would be such a moron to counter it with a low-offensive-force tank
Let's see,if Woboffet set it's but right in the field after the tank forced a switch,say Gardevoir,do you think we have a choice?I didn't say Wobuffet is a low HP tank either.I'm talking about the opponent's pokemon.I doubt anyone would that much of a moron to switch Gardevoir in.
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How can you try a boosted attack ? if you try and boost your stats, it will Encore you and then your stuck boosting your move for 5 turns, in which time they can go to a counter.
you can also boost your attack with weather forms but if it encores you then you're screwd.
you must only boost your attack when wobbuffet is the last pokemon!otherwise you lose the ''tried-to boost-attack'' pokemon
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you can also boost your attack with weather forms but if it encores you then you're screwd.
you must only boost your attack when wobbuffet is the last pokemon!otherwise you lose the ''tried-to boost-attack'' pokemon
Pokemaster,don't try to fight with a good rater.He obviously has a better argument.Yeah,sure,let's stat boost when we could have Will-O-Wisp Wob's HP.We also have Shed Shell so,Shadow Tag is now officially countered.We don't need to stat boost.We can just straight off attack with Life Orb or one of the Choice items.
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You do know that I quit that argument like 10 hours ago,right?However,If Wobuffet is the only pokemon left,and Gyarados/Tyranitar is already out on the field,do you think it can escape the wrath of Gyarados/Tyranitar or do anything at all after it's taunted?It can not switch and will die in 5 hits of Struggle.The only way it will escape using Struggle is if it can switch but it can't,so,it's trapped and becomes useless and...we all know the rest.
Geez. You seem to think getting wobbufet to be the last poke is very common, you also think that it can be shut down easier than garchomp by this all mighty powerful move TAUNT. The 2 pokemon that use taunt on a standard set are Ttar and Gyrados. Why would someone bring wobbufet in on a gyrados. Same goes for Tyranitar. You said in one of your posts that Wobbufet can be countered, and garchomp cannot. So how is praying you defeat 5 of your opponents pokes and all they are left with is wobbufet, and also praying you still have your gyra/Tar in the team it and they carry taunt, a counter?
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