Pokemon Special/Adventures Fan Club Page 668

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I dun even know anymore.
Seen December 24th, 2012
Posted March 20th, 2012
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Right, Lance is probably 27. See, I'm terrible at math!

About what Coronis says, he probably is right. I feel like this happens with everything, though. The longer things go on, the less interesting/exciting. Well, something along those lines. They're making all this stuff so much faster now, they seem to be confusing themselves, huh? xD

I hope the series starts to go downhill, though. It's too good for that!
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It's alright. ^^;

It's not really that the series lasted so long. It's more along the lines of that they are now trying to hard to catch up. (You can see a few signs of this in the Emerald arc and the beginning of the D/P arc.)


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Ahh...yes, well, I read Coronis' summaries of D/P, and that final battle seemed a bit...short and anti-climatic. So did Volkner vs. Platina (I felt Candice was appropriately a short battle as her pokemon are fairly weak, tbh). If you ask me, the best bit will be Cynthia vs. Cyrus. Although I'm hoping they'll bring along Volume 37, which will wrap up D/P arc, and start off Platinum (why's she interested in the Torn World???).
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I'm really hoping the volume forms of the chapters will be better that what has been showcased so far...


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Togetaro evolves into Togekiss.

OH **** YES. Admit it, that is the most badass Togekiss you have ever seen in your life.

*coughs* Yeah, I just needed to get that out of my system. Anyway...

Oh, good lord, this plot for Special is worse than that of Kingdom Hearts'. And that's saying something. Everything's so...tangled. Wow.

Did...did they actually use the 'creation of three gods' plot device? Oh...oh, my. I sense a battle royale coming up.

I thought the reason Arceus had 'sorrow' in its eyes was because it's missing parts of itself. Dunno if that makes any sense.

In-game, Togepi evolves into Togetic at max friendship, I think. It needs a Light Stone to evolve into Togekiss, which is why Lance gave it to Gold (how he knew this when Gold himself couldn't figure out how to evolve Togetaro, I have no idea). From what I understand, Gold always put Togetaro in reserve and never considered him a full member of this team (which is borderline character derailment for me), so Togetaro didn't bond with him and couldn't evolve. Yeah.

And is there any reason why Jasmine came up in the conversation other than for ship tease? Because I read the summary and it just came out...random.

I'm not putting anything to record until the volumes come out, because that will be the printed, last chance that the writers will have to try and redirect/reconnect the dots before the series falls into disarray. After loving this manga for years, I'd hate for it to fall so badly. They'll either initiate a massively awesome comeback or it'll fail stupendously and Pokespe will be ushered into discontinuity.

Go forth, my internet backlash!
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the plot seems to have gone into a shredder and the authors attempted to stick them back together.
And Gold's weird "idk how to evolve my togepi that I never use" thing really does seem kinda out of character for him.

Oh dear, please don't let the manga end this way. ;A;.
I want it to continue, but only if the authors start getting the act together.
In a way, we can blame ourselves for having very high expectations.

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Quite frankly, I think everyone's hyping the "OMFG THE END OF THE POKESPECIAL IS HERE. IT"S THE FIRST SIGNS OF THE APOCALYPSE/ANTI CHRIST/RULE OF SCIENTOLOGY/REIGN OF FEMINISM." I look at the posts after Coronis and everyone's suddenly all emo about it, just because one person offered their opinion on the future of pokemon special when the conclusion or even other parts of HGSS have not been revealed. I feel that there is GREAT potential for the final battle at the end. Look at the whole backdrop story: it's all about connection between the trainer and pokemon, a device that never gets old. I think everyone should get off Coronis' dick, and get their own opinions quite frankly. I think everyone just looks at Coronis as the all powerful authority figure of the pokemon special (which I'm not disputing), but one of the more idiotic logical fallacy is relying on the authority figure for true knowledge. We all know that the generals are now creating the 3 dragons of Sinnoh. It's now time for an epic battle, and more character development that was happening (rather rapidly and hastily previous I admit). I have faith in the writers; I believe they're gonna write the finale well.
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Argghhh I've been away for far too long! Cliffnotes anyone? 8D;;; *i'll be shifting through the um, previous pages still however you know~*

H-Hi long time no see? Please don't stone me. I'll -ffff- I dunno if I have posted enough to post fanart...er. D: Uh, yeah. I-I WILL BE ON MORE I SWEAR THIS TIME! College cannot hold me forever~! (if i can get onto livejournal then i can get on here too darn it! D<)
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Quite frankly, I think everyone's hyping the "OMFG THE END OF THE POKESPECIAL IS HERE. IT"S THE FIRST SIGNS OF THE APOCALYPSE/ANTI CHRIST/RULE OF SCIENTOLOGY/REIGN OF FEMINISM." I look at the posts after Coronis and everyone's suddenly all emo about it, just because one person offered their opinion on the future of pokemon special when the conclusion or even other parts of HGSS have not been revealed. I feel that there is GREAT potential for the final battle at the end. Look at the whole backdrop story: it's all about connection between the trainer and pokemon, a device that never gets old. I think everyone should get off Coronis' dick, and get their own opinions quite frankly. I think everyone just looks at Coronis as the all powerful authority figure of the pokemon special (which I'm not disputing), but one of the more idiotic logical fallacy is relying on the authority figure for true knowledge. We all know that the generals are now creating the 3 dragons of Sinnoh. It's now time for an epic battle, and more character development that was happening (rather rapidly and hastily previous I admit). I have faith in the writers; I believe they're gonna write the finale well.
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Well, I'm not trying to. I'm not really trying to hype people up.
But I am just concerned. Sorry for seeming like it was the end of the world.

So don't worry.
Although.
I do hope that the author mangage to pull off an amazing ending.


Argghhh I've been away for far too long! Cliffnotes anyone? 8D;;; *i'll be shifting through the um, previous pages still however you know~*

H-Hi long time no see? Please don't stone me. I'll -ffff- I dunno if I have posted enough to post fanart...er. D: Uh, yeah. I-I WILL BE ON MORE I SWEAR THIS TIME! College cannot hold me forever~! (if i can get onto livejournal then i can get on here too darn it! D<)
Woah woah, relax.
It's alright.
right now we are just talking in spoilers.
if you want to participate, use spoilers. ^u^

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Well, I'm not trying to. I'm not really trying to hype people up.
But I am just concerned. Sorry for seeming like it was the end of the world.

So don't worry.
Although.
I do hope that the author mangage to pull off an amazing ending.

No no, I wasn't referring to people in this thread, I was mainly referring to people in the Serebii thread lmao.
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That's because Cyrus didn't think of this idea before
Or that Archer's stealing his mojo.

Lance around 30 to me (oh, 27 is in the vicinity of 30:) ).

Goodness, there's so much to say in the HGSS arc. One thing I must say: with Jasmine in Sinnoh, they're obviously setting her up with Volkner. I'm a little upset how they skipped through Togetic and into Togekiss. But, these are the only type of Togetic and Togekiss, with the best faces ever. You'll never see this family of this kind, since they're always happy and sweet-looking.

Things are starting to look intense later on though. An aged Lance (nice info on the history of the Pokethlon), the Sinjoh Ruins…would be nice to see Cynthia again. Or anyone else as cameos.

The second chapter to the B/W arc reminds me of a Tom & Jerry thing, Pokabu chasing after Zorua.

Very interesting to see Coronis bring this all ap. I have to agree on all these points, I haven't noticed them before. I wonder if they're losing their grip, or becoming overwhelmed? Someone said this has happened before with R/S, FRLG, and Emerald, but I feel this is worse than that. I still don't know what's going on with DP, why is the Platinum arc so separate from those two, where are the links between them, then they're all compounded by the HG/SS arc and now the B/W arc. I really think they can't keep up. The franchise as games are moving at an exponential rate that other media (apart from the anime) haven't caught on so quickly.

Nice to hear from Coronis how the later games have leaning more "Special"-like, paraphrasing as such.

And is there any reason why Jasmine came up in the conversation other than for ship tease? Because I read the summary and it just came out…random.
I sure hope that's setting up Jasmine and Volkner. I can't see her and Morty together.

And Gold's weird "idk how to evolve my togepi that I never use" thing really does seem kinda out of character for him.
Agreed. I mean, he's had that thing for years, how could he suddenly say that?

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I've been suspecting the decline of Pokespecial for a while now; Coronis just shares my sentiments. Don't get me wrong, I still adore Pokespecial and Pokemon as a whole, but it has been over 10 years since our baby first graced the pages. That's a damn long time for any series to be around, let alone still retain its devoted fanbase, not to mention the new fans who keep popping up out of the woodwork.

For me, and I know for all the lovely people here, this is far from the end of the world. However, it does make me a little sad. As long as new Pokemon games are released, you can pretty much count on a new Pokemon Special chapter to be right around the corner, and I don't see the actual Pokemon franchise slowing down anytime soon. After the FRLG Arc (My favorite!) I kinda started losing interest. It's not the games; (although, for some reason, I'm not really that pumped for BW)It's more like the new characters and the actual Pokespecial plot itself. I often just go back and reread the RGB-FRLG arcs (Over the 4 years I've loved Pokesupe, I've lost count of how many times I've read the chapters!!)

I'm far from a literary critic, so I probably don't have the right to be spouting all of this "decline" stuff. I've just seen it in other animes/mangas, as well as other things. Inuyasha is a prime example of a once-brilliant series with a huge fanbase that just kind of ran too long. On the other side, another beloved series of mine, Sailor Moon(No laughing!!) lasted 5 "arcs" and ended on a high note, apparently ending at the perfect time and retaining its fans while continuing to add new ones.

What comes up must come down. Like I said, I really DON'T see Pokespecial ending anytime soon, although I do see it getting more crap for the things everyone mentioned above. I really do like the HGSS arc, even with all the holes, but I doubt I'll check in on the BW arc.

Oh, and BTW, Togetkiss just freaking TOTALLY made my weekend. That face is PRICELESS.


Wow... was that a rant...?
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i always liked the jhoto trio (of course second to the kanto trio), so for hgss is really disappointing to me. the plot seems to be jumbled up and it makes no sense. silver's quest was to find the plates, but it barely took any time. they should have made it a little bit longer.it was sad how gold didn't know how to evolve togetaro. crys' journey confused me. did she fall in the tree first then battle ariana and arceus. or did she battle arceus first then get blown into the tree where silver finds her and battles ariana. but that doesnt explain why/how the 4 generals were watching her trying to capture arceus. i'm confused :(
also where is giovanni? silver's supposed to find him right?
i really wanted to see the kanto trio in this saga *sigh*

*i stand corrected. it is possible to have a badass togekiss (from a few posts back)

sorry for the rant. pokemon special is my favorite manga. i don't want to see it "go down the drain"

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Guys..let's look on the bright side of this, shall we?

Think about it...if Viz ever starts working as fast as the guys in Japan are....the only problem with getting English PokeSpe will be affording it! (Rather than already owning all 8 volumes, and waiting until 2011)
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Now that you mention it, the HGSS arc seems pretty fast. Just like how the end of DP was getting fast. If they're doing this all for the sake of catching up quickly to please the newcomers who are excited for B/W, I won't be happy about that. Johto is my most favorite region of all, really liked what the G/S/C arc gave, and it'd do injustice to have our finally-aged characters get the quick treatment and forgotten just like that. A lot of holes need to be filled in.

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Now that you mention it, the HGSS arc seems pretty fast. Just like how the end of DP was getting fast. If they're doing this all for the sake of catching up quickly to please the newcomers who are excited for B/W, I won't be happy about that. Johto is my most favorite region of all, really liked what the G/S/C arc gave, and it'd do injustice to have our finally-aged characters get the quick treatment and forgotten just like that. A lot of holes need to be filled in.
I agree with you. They seem to be pushing everything quickly to get to B/W. I personally thought it would take until at least a month longer for the B/W arc to appear. I also really hope that the older characters don't become forgotten. R/G/B/Y were my favorites.
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Goodness, there's so much to say in the HGSS arc. One thing I must say: with Jasmine in Sinnoh, they're obviously setting her up with Volkner. I'm a little upset how they skipped through Togetic and into Togekiss. But, these are the only type of Togetic and Togekiss, with the best faces ever. You'll never see this family of this kind, since they're always happy and sweet-looking.
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Togetic isn't really that useful. It has low HP and low defense, which it makes up for when it evolves into Togekiss. Seems a bit more logical to me, at least.


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Things are starting to look intense later on though. An aged Lance (nice info on the history of the Pokethlon), the Sinjoh Ruins…would be nice to see Cynthia again. Or anyone else as cameos.
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If/when Cynthia appears, I'm counting on her to be Ms. Exposition and shed some light on the actual plot, or at least give a hint to how Sinnoh turned out. Mew only knows we need it.


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I wonder if they're losing their grip, or becoming overwhelmed? Someone said this has happened before with R/S, FRLG, and Emerald, but I feel this is worse than that. I still don't know what's going on with DP, why is the Platinum arc so separate from those two, where are the links between them, then they're all compounded by the HG/SS arc and now the B/W arc. I really think they can't keep up. The franchise as games are moving at an exponential rate that other media (apart from the anime) haven't caught on so quickly.
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This. Also, for the overloaded issue, the writers were juggling three series at the time of RS (with FRLG and Emerald), and right now they're handling four (BW, HGSS, DP, Platinum). Bit much. The only thing that would completely fry everyone's brain more is the announcement of a RS remake...which might be next year. Hopefully they'll rein in the pacing a bit.


I sure hope that's setting up Jasmine and Volkner. I can't see her and Morty together.

Yay, a fellow Jasmine/Volkner shipper! 8D


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Agreed. I mean, he's had that thing for years, how could he suddenly say that?
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I'm still calling character derailment.


Guys..let's look on the bright side of this, shall we?

Think about it...if Viz ever starts working as fast as the guys in Japan are....the only problem with getting English PokeSpe will be affording it! (Rather than already owning all 8 volumes, and waiting until 2011)
I really hope this doesn't sound offensive, but...how is this supposed to be better, exactly? It isn't an insult, I'm just confused on how you got this.

I agree with you. They seem to be pushing everything quickly to get to B/W. I personally thought it would take until at least a month longer for the B/W arc to appear. I also really hope that the older characters don't become forgotten. R/G/B/Y were my favorites.
I read somewhere that BW scored the first 10 out of 10 on the Famitsu game review or something for Pokemon. It probably has more to do with popularity of the new generation than anything else, which really, really sucks. Not that I'm trying to hate on Gen V, but if it means demoting characters...:/
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Uhhh...I was basically having a dig at Viz being slow translators, and saying that it'd be brilliant if they worked at the pace Yamamoto and co. are working at on the new volumes, because then we'd get more PokeSpe to read for ourselves! (Rather than relying on Coronis, who may be brilliant at describing the manga, but can't substitute actually being able to see all the panels)

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Uhhh...I was basically having a dig at Viz being slow translators, and saying that it'd be brilliant if they worked at the pace Yamamoto and co. are working at on the new volumes, because then we'd get more PokeSpe to read for ourselves! (Rather than relying on Coronis, who may be brilliant at describing the manga, but can't substitute actually being able to see all the panels)
That's true! Ha ha! If Viz was working as fast, we'd have so many more volumes! I mean, I have the Chuang Yi versions, but that'd be great for everyone else! =D

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Oh, and Clover Cat, Famitsu did give B/W a 10/10, so like you said, the authors may be trying to take advantage of the games' popularity. Though I won't tolerate all the other characters being left in the dust.... I won't! xD
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Togetic isn't really that useful. It has low HP and low defense, which it makes up for when it evolves into Togekiss.
Not if you teach it Fly. ;). Still upset that you can't acquire Togekiss until after National Dex

I read somewhere that BW scored the first 10 out of 10 on the Famitsu game review or something for Pokemon.
Famitsu's not a reliable source--they always give the highest scores to Pokemon games--happened with every generation and its remakes.

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This. Also, for the overloaded issue, the writers were juggling three series at the time of RS (with FRLG and Emerald), and right now they're handling four (BW, HGSS, DP, Platinum). Bit much. The only thing that would completely fry everyone's brain more is the announcement of a RS remake...which might be next year. Hopefully they'll rein in the pacing a bit.
Really though, what other game franchise (either well-known or not) do we know release best-selling games every single year?

I'm feeling the R/S remake hype to start by 2012, if not later. B/W itself has to sink in worldwide next year, so that's what 2011 will be (just like how 2007 was).


Look, we all thought it was too soon when B/W was announced back in February. Now we're thinking the same thing with the writers bringing out the B/W arc. This something that cannot be undone. The anime has already started on B/W. I bet they were forced to cut off the D/P saga suddenly, seeing that one was dragging for so long. Now the arcs before B/W will all be hurried. Just to catch up where the games are, seeing they are the driving force, they will rather ditch their current work and move on to the "latest and greatest". It's how I initially felt when B/W was announced...my favorite Gen II games, that just got remaked, were suddenly obsolete. Just like that.

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Quite frankly, many of you are overreacting. I agree with you that the plot is advancing a bit too quickly for my liking too. However, our information comes mainly from Coronis and tidbits from the magazines that some of us reads. May I like to inform you that THIS IS NOT THE ENTIRE PICTURE WE'RE LOOKING AT. Our main info comes from hearsay, a biased opinion of a so called "authority figure" and snapshots of the plot that we're assuming to be the entire thing. The fact is, we don't know what the plot is at this point, except for a jumbled bunch of summaries that we got from Coronis. And we don't even know how legit this information is. Coronis even says that there is a contradiction in the magazines (one with Gold going home, the other with Gold appearing in the snowfield with the other dexholders). Plus, we have the entire conclusion to think of. The 3 dragons just appeared. **** is about to go down. There is an infinite amount of things that could happen. Looking back at the exposition of the manga, we can't say for sure it's even rushed; again, all we have is a general idea of what happens, not the details of it. I've seen thousands of series' ruined because of crappy plot development, rushed sequence of events, lack of character development, lack of an overarching idea, or theme within the piece of literature, but quite frankly, I see no hard evidence proving that the HGSS special is going down this direction. I can see a greater exposition building in the beginning, and a chance of an excellent showdown, character building, and a generally awesome conclusion that is a staple in ALL of the Specials.

Furthermore, let's examine the reasons that the writers may have rushed the releasing of the arc. They know that they're gonna have to release the B/W arc soon. So do they continue to release each and every piece of detail for the reader to know? No, instead they release a rather general summary or chapters that are more pertinent to the plot than are the others. For example, Crystal ending up in that tree. Any competent writer would NOT go "Crystal fighting Arceus -> OMFG SHE"S IN A TREE." A grade school student would see the fallacy in writing like that. That's just one evidence that they're skipping parts of the chapters and details so that they can release the B/W series in a more timely fashion. Looking back at the HGSS release date, that was back in freaking MARCH 2010, they've had plenty of time to write a full arc up to this point, along with the D/P and PT.

I'd like to see people stop whining about how the world's come to an end just because their misconceived notions of how the pokespecial somehow self destructed itself, when clearly, we're basing our judgments on BIASED and INCOMPLETE information.

Thank you

And to add to this thread, I'm curious as to how the 17 plates are especially important to Team Rocket's plans. And I still have not given up hope that Giovanni and Sird will appear in this arc.

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Character develop in HGSS how can you develop something that is already develop? Gold,Silver and Crystal had a huge character develop in GSC they don't need anything anymore. The only character that had a character develop outside of his original series was Redsan because we all know he NEEDED one.Now why cry about a remake? The plot will be short because it is a remake and the author won't use use material in a manga remake.I'm all for the new game I want to read Black and White because I love it's story,Characters and Pokemon is the first Pokemon game i like all three.I hope HGSS ends soon so we can stop blaming Kusuka and Yamamoto they have done a great work and I still believe in them so I will keep supporting them and keep reading Special.I don't support Coronis he has fallen from grace how can I follow the suppose number one special fan when he him self is losing faith in Special.
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even if the information on hgss is incomplete, you can still attempt to piece together different parts of the story and try to see what happens.

i just wish the writers wont rush platinum and hgss just to try to start bw. get one arc plot 'perfect' and then work on another instead of writing everything at once where the plot and ideas will sure to be horrible
thats what i was saying

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Man have I not spoken up in a while. Time to add my whole two cents on this stuff.

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Okay, first off, Gold. Gold knows that your Pokemon are stronger when they are friends with them. But that doesn't mean he knows that there are evolutions that evolve at certain times or with happiness. Evolution is Blue's specialty not Gold's. I'm not saying he's got an excuse. I'm just saying the possibility is there.

Next, the alongside release. I'm thinking this is just Viz feeling guilty for being slow. Now I'm not gonna buy them right away unless they don't release anything past GSC. It's just good business work. It always has been.

Finally, the arcs are going fast. I think it's part advertisement, part time passing. The remakes only have so much new material. PokeSpe only has so much to work with here. Yes they probably are trying to get on the hype but do you blame them? This is their money. Besides, as others have said, all these arcs are a lot of work.

Let's just wait and see
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The Dream, I'm not appreciating your tone with your posts. This is the second time I'm seeing this; last time you made an inappropriate comment that wasn't given much attention. You need to watch what you're saying.

Coronis is known for a long time for the Pokespecial manga. He has helped us with the Japanese translations. He isn't "authoritative" as you think. He does us a favor to let us know what is happening in the latest arcs. If you don't like what he's saying, you don't have to read it. But there's no place to bash him just because you're not getting the full picture. He has always given us accurate summaries. At one time he decided to quit, but came back on his own will. That's how much he loves this manga. And if it weren't for him, I would've never found out about this manga either. So please, show him some respect before you go off belittling everything he says.
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Guys..let's look on the bright side of this, shall we?

Think about it...if Viz ever starts working as fast as the guys in Japan are....the only problem with getting English PokeSpe will be affording it! (Rather than already owning all 8 volumes, and waiting until 2011)
True.

This may give a chance for VIZ to catch up with translations ^u^

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Now that you mention it, the HGSS arc seems pretty fast. Just like how the end of DP was getting fast. If they're doing this all for the sake of catching up quickly to please the newcomers who are excited for B/W, I won't be happy about that. Johto is my most favorite region of all, really liked what the G/S/C arc gave, and it'd do injustice to have our finally-aged characters get the quick treatment and forgotten just like that. A lot of holes need to be filled in.
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Alot of people think that the manga sped up because of the new B/W hype.

It's not just the manga though.
I think the anime is having problems too.
Which explains why there was no mention of the Sinnoh Battle Fronteir.
Which sucks, because I wanted to see Ash Vs Dahlia. ;A;
(and yeah, I still dabble into the anime once in a while.)





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Quite frankly, many of you are overreacting. I agree with you that the plot is advancing a bit too quickly for my liking too. However, our information comes mainly from Coronis and tidbits from the magazines that some of us reads. May I like to inform you that THIS IS NOT THE ENTIRE PICTURE WE'RE LOOKING AT. Our main info comes from hearsay, a biased opinion of a so called "authority figure" and snapshots of the plot that we're assuming to be the entire thing. The fact is, we don't know what the plot is at this point, except for a jumbled bunch of summaries that we got from Coronis. And we don't even know how legit this information is. Coronis even says that there is a contradiction in the magazines (one with Gold going home, the other with Gold appearing in the snowfield with the other dexholders). Plus, we have the entire conclusion to think of. The 3 dragons just appeared. **** is about to go down. There is an infinite amount of things that could happen. Looking back at the exposition of the manga, we can't say for sure it's even rushed; again, all we have is a general idea of what happens, not the details of it. I've seen thousands of series' ruined because of crappy plot development, rushed sequence of events, lack of character development, lack of an overarching idea, or theme within the piece of literature, but quite frankly, I see no hard evidence proving that the HGSS special is going down this direction. I can see a greater exposition building in the beginning, and a chance of an excellent showdown, character building, and a generally awesome conclusion that is a staple in ALL of the Specials.

Furthermore, let's examine the reasons that the writers may have rushed the releasing of the arc. They know that they're gonna have to release the B/W arc soon. So do they continue to release each and every piece of detail for the reader to know? No, instead they release a rather general summary or chapters that are more pertinent to the plot than are the others. For example, Crystal ending up in that tree. Any competent writer would NOT go "Crystal fighting Arceus -> OMFG SHE"S IN A TREE." A grade school student would see the fallacy in writing like that. That's just one evidence that they're skipping parts of the chapters and details so that they can release the B/W series in a more timely fashion. Looking back at the HGSS release date, that was back in freaking MARCH 2010, they've had plenty of time to write a full arc up to this point, along with the D/P and PT.

I'd like to see people stop whining about how the world's come to an end just because their misconceived notions of how the pokespecial somehow self destructed itself, when clearly, we're basing our judgments on BIASED and INCOMPLETE information.

Thank you

And to add to this thread, I'm curious as to how the 17 plates are especially important to Team Rocket's plans. And I still have not given up hope that Giovanni and Sird will appear in this arc.

Umm...Dream. I have to call you out on something JB already pointed out.
Your tone of voice in all this is a bit vulgar and rude.
Please don't come off as rude in your posts. Thanks.
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Although, rudeness and vulgar language aside, you are correct.
People need not lose their faith and love for the manga over something like this.
I mean, yes, for some people who are sticks in the mud, it's the end of the world, for THEM, but for us, never.
;w; if you guys did give up on this manga, then you shouldn't be here. ;w;

Like I said before, I still have hope that the authors will correct alot of the rushed parts once serialized as a book.
Although, like I said before, this isn't the first time Kusaka and Yamamoto were rushed to complete certain manga arcs. (go look at the ending of FR/LG and Emerald and you can see in some parts what I mean.)


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Character develop in HGSS how can you develop something that is already develop? Gold,Silver and Crystal had a huge character develop in GSC they don't need anything anymore. The only character that had a character develop outside of his original series was Redsan because we all know he NEEDED one.Now why cry about a remake? The plot will be short because it is a remake and the author won't use use material in a manga remake.I'm all for the new game I want to read Black and White because I love it's story,Characters and Pokemon is the first Pokemon game i like all three.I hope HGSS ends soon so we can stop blaming Kusuka and Yamamoto they have done a great work and I still believe in them so I will keep supporting them and keep reading Special.I don't support Coronis he has fallen from grace how can I follow the suppose number one special fan when he him self is losing faith in Special.
==;;; why do you have to start of with something weird like that?
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Ok, anyway.
You guys should know this by know that more than likely, manga arcs based on third versions of a game or remakes of a game will be shorter.
Remember the FR/LG, Emerald, and (more than likely) Platinum arc are based MOSTLY on the new stuff introduced in the games. That is why the content is so minimal.
FR/LG: Sevvi islands introduced= A small (yet important) plot centered around the islands.
Emerald: Battle Frontier introduced= The arc centers around the Battle Fronteir and Jirachi.
Platinum: Sinnoh Battle Frontier and Distortion World introduced= Plot taking place in the Battle Fronteir while looking for Giratina.
HG/SS : Route 47/46 introduced, Arceus event= Arc taking place exploring some of the new areas and centering around Arceus.

It will be difficult for a manga writer to try to make the story have enough plot, yet still sticking faithfully to the content in game.


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Coronis is known for a long time for the Pokespecial manga. He has helped us with the Japanese translations. He isn't "authoritative" as you think. He does us a favor to let us know what is happening in the latest arcs. If you don't like what he's saying, you don't have to read it. But there's no place to bash him just because you're not getting the full picture. He has always given us accurate summaries. At one time he decided to quit, but came back on his own will. That's how much he loves this manga. And if it weren't for him, I would've never found out about this manga either. So please, show him some respect before you go off belittling everything he says.
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Even though we credit coronis with alot of the info he translates for us, that doesn't make him a super authority or something.

Although, Please, Do NOT bash him. He only said he didn't like where the manga was headed, but that doesn't always mean he'll suddenly stop liking the manga.
(Although, there is ONE particular person on serebii and here that seems to like getting on people's nerves...I think those of you who spend your time on serebii manga forums know who I am talking about. ._. he even tried claiming that the games Pokemon Black and White were NOT part of the Pokemon main game canon...)
Without Coronis' translation and information concerning the manga, we would all be in the dark right now about what's going on, and I doubt anyone here has enough time and guts to buy a japanese magazine, scan pictures, and translate a complete summary for all of use. So be thankful that Coronis' has done us all a big favor.

I'm sure he is still a big fan of the manga.


Alright.

I think it's safe to say we should probably drop this conversation before you guys are at each others necks. (I sense tension...)

(you can discuss the plot itself, but it might be a good idea to stop talking about where the manga is headed and stuff.)

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Hmm, I think you are right, Chamo-Chan! This is getting a bit out of hand....

Maybe we need a new topic? Let's see.... (Thinks of one that hasn't been done before.)

I've got nothing. I felt like I had an idea, but then it vanished. Any ideas?
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Right I'm sorry bout that.

I didn't mean disrespect to Coronis. All I'm saying is that most people are just jumping on his opinion. Logically speaking, it's fallacious to depend on an authority figure for any piece of knowledge, especially when it's based mostly on interpretation.

For the character development, it's clear that they're not fully developed. Using Gold as an example, most of us know the whole story about him and Togetaro. That one episode shows us that these pokedex users are far from perfect, and there's still a bit to go.

I'm gonna keep this post short, because of a few midterms, and I didn't have a chance to read through many of the posts (mainly the admin ones), but anyways, I'm sorry about my tone. I'm just a bit (cough) frustrated everyone's started to jump on the bandwagon of "Pokemon Special sucks now."
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Right I'm sorry bout that.

I didn't mean disrespect to Coronis. All I'm saying is that most people are just jumping on his opinion. Logically speaking, it's fallacious to depend on an authority figure for any piece of knowledge, especially when it's based mostly on interpretation.

For the character development, it's clear that they're not fully developed. Using Gold as an example, most of us know the whole story about him and Togetaro. That one episode shows us that these pokedex users are far from perfect, and there's still a bit to go.

I'm gonna keep this post short, because of a few midterms, and I didn't have a chance to read through many of the posts (mainly the admin ones), but anyways, I'm sorry about my tone. I'm just a bit (cough) frustrated everyone's started to jump on the bandwagon of "Pokemon Special sucks now."
Thank you for apologizing. ^u^

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You know , that interpreting knowledge from an authority figure could really apply to anything. ==;; I know enough about politics to know that everyone is a liar once they go into politics.

I still want to know why Gold of all people decided not to let Togetaro participate in battles for a long time... (maybe he's an overprotective dad?)

Also, just today, I was watching the Pokemon anime, "Where no Togepi has gone before!"
That evil little togepi reminded me of Togetaro (I think it's the eyes).


Oh, btw, heads up.

VIZ's translation of Pokemon Adventures Vol. 9 is in stores now~
Unfortunately, I'm so for away from a Barnes and Noble, so...I can't really fill you in on anything.

btw, new topic.

Is there any particular aspect of one or more of the dexholders you want to see? (please exclude shippings. Be creative people!)


Well, for me, I would like to see Green's supposed powers in Martial arts.
Seriously, he was training with Chuck. Shouldn't he know alot of cool karate and kung-fu stuff?
(I know in the GSC arc, in one particular panel, he was kicking someone, but it was off screen. )
;3;

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