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Seen September 3rd, 2011
Posted October 30th, 2010
32 posts
15.1 Years
Also what's a night dress?
A night dress is a night gown, a dress/garment that is worn at night for bed. Men and women used to both wear night dresses but recently, only women have since men have some strange issues with the idea of wearing them.

This is not to say it was a nonexistent occasion. The ancient Greeks were indeed famous for wanting their women to be more modest while their men would, say, partake in the Olympics naked. However, I'm fairly sure that it was not every city-state that adopted this standard in totality. Not too sure about the Romans on that particular subject. About Hernando Cortez...a short red miniskirt? It's true that he did appear to have a skirt at times, but I'm fairly sure that was continuation of his upper garments below his armor. And even if they weren't, please note that he always wore leggings either way.

Don't forget a few places in the middle east also didn't allow women to dress freely. Once again, it was a rare occasion, but it still existed.
Ah, sorry for the misspelling. My history sucks. :p

I also misinterpreted what you said. Sorry for that also.

Why's that? Because our ancestors were rugged, polite, and responsible (fiscally and otherwise), understanding that everyone had their problems and they didn't need you adding to them? Now, if you want to take a shot at my country, that's a different matter entirely. Bring up your issue and I'll be glad to prove it wrong. c:
Sorry, I'm not the debating type of person, which is why I'm not throwing back everything you throw at me.

Men are called b*****s and hos for going to a club wearing revealing shirts and miniskirts, accepting drinks from several men because they don't want to pay themselves, then going home without giving any of those guys a second thought. That is, unless the man was especially hot or fashionable, then he might merit speaking to her again. Otherwise he was just a tool to get a free drink out of. Now, not to say that there aren't men who do more or less the same thing, but there are also men who take care of their houses with a diligence unparalleled (my father included). Friend, you seem uncompromisingly intent on bringing up only the bad kind of men and only the good kind of women. There's good and bad examples in either gender.

Oh, and a quick little quip about 'being violent'... our society has become too coddled. Kids can't even touch each other these days without getting in trouble, and they get to a geater age, have no idea how to defend themselves, and get the living fluff beat out of them. It is good for young men to fight. It is healthy. It builds stamina, strength, confidence, and courage. There's a reason why every society (except for extremely high classes in later centuries) has allowed it's young boys to fight to an extent. Just saying. =p
Good points. You are more open-minded than me.

Silly exaggeration/misinterpretation of what I said. =p
Exactly. I'm too blurry in the head.

USA. And I feel that women would be more prone to get into war if they held offices power. It's a fact that the election year after women received the right to vote campaigns became far, far, FAR more geared towards emotional appeal than fact. And it worked. Women voted in vast floods for whoever made the greatest emotional appeal or "acted like the better choice". Before this elections were based almost completely on raw fact because the candidates knew that the men of the time wouldn't fall for such hooey and would probably see them as worse. Sure, there are women who are just as calm and collected as men, I know many of them and they're some of my best friends (I have more female friends than male), but I'm sorry - it's a fact of life that women are more easily directed by emotion than men are on average.
Women will resort to killing less than men, since even though men are less emotional, they are more aggressive and more likely to start wars. Although you have made a good point about women being bad at making rational decisions.

Oh, about me saying the United States.. if you're going to bring up the war on Iraq please do it privately with me. I don't want to turn this thread into a political debate.
No intentions to do so, friend.

Sorry, I was talking solely about high skirts, my bad. Even so, I only know one or two girls personally who think skirts are more comfortable than other leg garments. Good point, though.
Thanks! At least I made one good point. 8D

[quote=Dactylus;3521666] I would never do that, I thought that'd come across by now, guy. =p [quote=Dactylus;3521666]

Great. Your friends are very lucky to have a friend as respectful as you.

For my last point...you say the two genders are equal, but you really seem to be holding women in higher regard than men.
That's where I went wrong. The reason I acted like women were better was to mentally slap men about their wrongdoings but I was merely looking at one side of the coin. Thank you for pointing this out to me.

^___^

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Posted June 27th, 2008
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Oh, no, you made several good points. Just because two people argue about a topic doesn't mean they both can't have good points. c:

I can tell you really don't want to argue about this anymore, dude. That's cool. We've both learned some interesting things. Nice talking to you, 8D.
Seen August 6th, 2009
Posted May 8th, 2009
68 posts
15.2 Years
Women will resort to killing less than men, since even though men are less emotional, they are more aggressive and more likely to start wars. Although you have made a good point about women being bad at making rational decisions.
I would just like to say that there is no justifiable reason for killing. Both women and men can be aggressive, and wars just come from prejudice and irrationality.
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Posted February 18th, 2018
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AMUSING HOW THIS THREAD SHOWS A WESTERN POINT OF VIEW. Just felt like pointing that out.

It's interesting, this. I have mixed and contradictory feelings about it. I've made myself aware at how women steal everything manly and turn it around so men can't use it without succumbing to ridicule. It either shows how women have some kind of witty intelligence that lets them get away with everything, or how from being the 'lesser' sex in many cultures, they've just picked up things as men moved on to newer ones (though they seem to have caught up these days, and wear almost everything men do). In the end, all it does is go to show how women have the upper hand in the more social aspects of life — which are the parts of life that matter these days. Women also have the better end of sex if you consider various things I'm best not mentioning here unless I want a warning.

Women will resort to killing less than men, since even though men are less emotional, they are more aggressive and more likely to start wars.
If women ruled every country, I'm very much sure they'd end up just as warlike before long. If your statement that men are less emotional happens to be true, women, in all their emotion, seem more likely to start a fight over something, no?

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I agree...[random kanji]. Since 8D and I stopped our argument, I didn't bring it up, but I believe women would be more prone to war. Not because of increased aggression, but because of spurred aggression brought on by emotional-based irrationality. PMS is a perfect example.

No, I'm not making fun of you or joking, girls. Think about it.

If two lands were ruled by women and one land did something that was crossing the line but normally could be glossed over or dealt with otherwise and the ruler of the victimized land was PMSing... could it not be possible that her previous rationality might be skewed a bit? Agree or disagree as you want. I really don't want to argue that point, but there's my stand on it. c:

Oh, [random kanji]? What did you mean by western point of view?

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Seen March 6th, 2013
Posted November 2nd, 2009
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The He-man image is pretty ridiculous... it's sad that men can't wear pink, cry, or hug their friends without being called gay and hags.

Who is it that said guys have to be emotionless in the first place, anyways? I mean, they're people just like women, only with y'know, different junk down there. It's not like they're a completely different species or anything.

It made me sad when one of my friends, who is a guy, cried when one of his friends died, only to be laughed at by other guys for not "sucking it up." It also made me sad in health class when most people said guys shouldn't wear pink or cry.

These are just my feelings, agree or disagree as you please.
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Posted November 2nd, 2016
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During the 19th century and even more before then, men and women have been completely and obviously separate and were expected to do completely different things. Men were expected to be cold, rational and emotionless on the outside; women were expected to be more emotional and irrational. Men wore tight pants, because showing the shape of the body was more "manly", sometimes wearing skin-revealing shorts and short sleeves; women wore long dresses with long sleeves so they could hide the shape of their body.

Since the beginning of the 20th century, women have progressed monumentally in their social rights, while still keeping any of their previous rights they had earlier. It has become acceptable for women to wear tight jeans or shorts or short sleeved shirts. However, their skirt hems have shortened to a length that reveals the legs, and since men have recently liked covering their legs, revealing the skin has become a womanish thing. However, it is still okay for women to wear long dresses, if they like, and switch around according to how they feel. It has also become acceptable to speak loudly and debate topics for a woman. They can now be aggressive and assertive, but it is perfectly acceptable for them to discuss their emotions quietly with others as well as display their emotions.

Now the funny thing I'd like to point out is that women won't hesitate to be "manly", or adapt men's habits and styles, but men are so afraid of doing ANYTHING that is related only to women. It seems to be a strong case of "superiority complex", on the men's side. They disrespect women and think of themselves as higher than them. So women doing "men's stuff" is fine because they are adapting a "higher" standard, and it also seems that it is perfectly fine for them to "drop" to their own "lower" women's standard. But men are "better" than women, so they are expected to maintain their "high standard" and NEVER lower themselves the the "lower standard of the inferior gender".

In other words, it is fine for a woman to bawl out her feelings, cry and hug her friends, but it's also perfectly fine for her to be cold and emotionless. However, a man must always be cold and emotionless because he is superior to the woman and most not lower himself to her level. If your female friend was crying for losing her jewelry, you would try to help her or comfort her, but, tell me honestly, WOULD YOU treat your male friend as kindly or compassionately if he acted the same manner?

You can call him "effeminate", but please, please, please, PLEASE don't call him "GAY", because that would mean that he likes men, which he probably doesn't. It's so childish. Women don't call other women "dykes" or "lesbo" for wearing jeans and being emotionless, so PLEASE respect what other men do as straight, unless it's obvious he likes men.

Men are stuck trying to maintain their pathetic "he-man" image and they think it's the mature thing to do, but they don't realize that it is the exact opposite of what they think. Not respecting the other sex as your equal by adopting her practices just like she respectfully adopts yours is extremely immature and is just as bad as preventing her from adopting your practices, which was done over a century ago.

Men, please please get over it. If you really, truly, honestly respect women as your equals, then respect what they do and don't avoid repeating their practices like the plague.
This is unbelievably rank with gender bias. I'm floored, actually.

It seems to be a strong case of "superiority complex", on the men's side. They disrespect women and think of themselves as higher than them. So women doing "men's stuff" is fine because they are adapting a "higher" standard, and it also seems that it is perfectly fine for them to "drop" to their own "lower" women's standard. But men are "better" than women, so they are expected to maintain their "high standard" and NEVER lower themselves the the "lower standard of the inferior gender".
Are you serious? All guys disrespect women and think of themselves as higher than them? And we all have a "superiority complex" when it comes to women that prevents us from acting like them? Really now? Do you see how prejudiced that sounds?

Guess what: a lot of guys don't show much emotion. I don't. My friends don't. But we don't have some gigantic plot to supress women; it's just our personality. That's right: we are they way we are just because that's who we are. Now guess what else? There's also a fair amount of guys that do show emotion. Do I have a problem with that? No. Why? It's just how they are.

Not respecting the other sex as your equal by adopting her practices just like she respectfully adopts yours is extremely immature and is just as bad as preventing her from adopting your practices, which was done over a century ago.
Now, if I'm reading you correctly, you're saying that I should take on the characteristics that you've attributed to women (showing emotions a lot, etc.) because men and women are equals now, so we should all act the same. Well, what if I don't want to be emotional? Is that a crime? The way I see it, if everyone was the same, life would be really boring. I am how I am: I shouldn't have to change just because you felt you needed to.

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Generalizing is the root of prejudice, though. It's grouping a bunch of people under one description, and that causes all sorts of problems.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and hope that you didn't truly mean that you think all men are this way and that you were caught up in the moment, but admitedly it's really disconcerting to see something like that.

Idiot!

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Seen March 17th, 2011
Posted December 28th, 2010
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17.4 Years
From as far as I know, Malaysia is a Muslim, multiracial and multicultural country. That means Malaysians have to be tolerant to live in peace. Don't they have to be open-minded?

I have seen girls who hate pink and guys who like pink. It's perfectly fine. Afterall, since when is [insert colour here] is a [insert gender here] colour?

There are girls who hate dresses and prefer short hair to long hair. Are they losing their feminity? No. They are using their girl power to stand up against the stereotyping of society. Then there are boys I've seen that turned down temptations by their peers when persuaded to commit a sin. Are they scared? No. They know it's the wrong path, and they know it's wrong to follow it. They had the courage to choose to be "defined as scared" by others than to commit a sin. Really confident people are not afraid of stereotyping, they're strong enough to go against the flow to fight for what they think it's right.

Cooking and sewing aren't considered housework now. In fact, they are very useful skills. Wouldn't you be proud if you can wash your own clothes or bake a cake by yourself, regardless of gender?
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From as far as I know, Malaysia is a Muslim, multiracial and multicultural country. That means Malaysians have to be tolerant to live in peace. Don't they have to be open-minded?
Ah. But sometimes the thoughts and views of a particular thing stem from religon. So, your argument does not really work.

I have seen girls who hate pink and guys who like pink. It's perfectly fine. Afterall, since when is [insert colour here] is a [insert gender here] colour?
Does an American dollar have any value by itself? It's just a piece of paper. But human beings are funny. We like to put labels on things. People who aren't open-minded label pink, yellow, etc as a girl color. So the problem is people.
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Posted December 3rd, 2013
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Generalizing is the root of prejudice, though. It's grouping a bunch of people under one description, and that causes all sorts of problems.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and hope that you didn't truly mean that you think all men are this way and that you were caught up in the moment, but admitedly it's really disconcerting to see something like that.
Actually if you see what he's saying.. about dudes who like to wear pink and yellow then you wouldn't even be thinking that he means EVERYONE. Because he doesn't.
Seen January 15th, 2011
Posted August 22nd, 2009
720 posts
16.8 Years
I was about to post something lengthy and probably an intellectual contribution .. until I noticed the other posts and rapidly lost interest.

TL;DR

lulz.
Gender roles are mostly determined by society and culture, and a significant amount influenced by genetics (e.g attraction, hormones, ability to nuture, muscle mass etc etc).
Ad hominem is for n00bs. Make good points.

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