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Old April 30th, 2008 (2:16 PM).
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Weavile kills half of your team. Night slash is a 3hko thankfully on milotic. (With cb) So with drapion, you are ok. Jolly tyranitar hurs badly. If persian misses, you are dead.
3HKO...and Milotic has Recover 0_o That's also assuming Marvel Scale doesn't activate, and even if it doesn't Machamp can come in on Night Slash after Milo takes little damage and can scare it off with Close Combat.

Also, how in the world does Tyranitar hurt this team so badly? Mahcamp resists both STAB and can OHKO Tyranitar. Most people use Adamant anyways, and Jolly DDtar only comes in in the late-game when prepared teams are vulnerable (as in when the counters are dead).

Also, of course Persian is in trouble if Hypnosis misses, and so is Gengar are any other fragile sleeper. Really though, Persian will most likely be sleeping a switch-in, so if it misses it can just try again.
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Tyranitar is on a list of seven Pokemon I try to be prepared for. So the only time I would have a weakness if it was an accident. But I'm usually VERY careful when it comes to the big seven (except this time I let my team get too special-based, thus leaving me open to Blissey and Cresselia).
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,,weak.
Zapdos isn't going to do well against Megahorns and Close Combats, and overeliance on it to counter both of them doesn't help the team considering Heracross and Lucario will do a lot of damage. Heracross also has Stone Edge

Maybe you should start preparing for the other 40 OU pokemon?

For Machamp, Facade is very situational and is generally inferior to Payback. Your team does not have a lot of speed bar Zapdos (which is bulky) and Persian (which rolls over to a lot of common attacks). Heracross would be a better fit on there due to the higher speed.

I don't see Drapion cutting it as a bulky physical unfortunately. For now, I feel Drapion is trying to do two things at once and is walled by a lot of things. I would drop Taunt as the phazers that are coming on Drapion (Hippo, Skarm) will completely wall you anyway. Earthquake or Brick Break > Taunt.

Mamoswine also tears through this team easily bar Persian and Machamp. Persian cannot switch in directly, the most it can do is Water Pulse or Hypnosis. Machamp is too slow and doesn't enjoy taking STAB EQs.

Drapion and Magnezone don't fit on this team IMO, you have almost no need to KO steel-types, and Drapion isn't really a defensive Swords Dancer, and IMO its outclassed by Gliscor in defence and offence.
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Okay yeah. I need to replace Magnezone. Hopefully something cover my weaknesses.
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your old moltres would probably fit in well there, but zapdos and moltres on the same team is lol >_<

salamence isn't too afraid of any of them, especially if it were to have a sub-attacking set, but ice weakness ain't too attractive.

hmm... how do you feel about a subpunching magmortar?
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Subpunching Magmortar would be fun, but two Stealth-Rock weaks with no Rapid Spinner makes me nervous.
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yeah, don't go with 2 SR weak pokemon without a spinner. That'll crumble your team in little time. However, Magmortar brings some fun to breaking SkarmBliss. With Substitute, Focus Punch, (Fire move of preference), and possibly HP Ice/Thunderbolt, it'll hit many things.

Zapdos appears to be a solid teammate, so that'll throw it out of question. I just wish Magnezone could Rapid Spin. I know it'd have little of uses, but...it's shaped like it can -_-...
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s-rock, s-smoch.... or something like that heh.

rapid spinners are quite overrated.
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Well...after looking over your team, you have two pokemon resistant to SR, so that's a good thing. Nobody is exceedingly weak to it either. However, Spikes will hurt you.
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why is it a problem when his team isn't that threatened by pokes who commonly have roar/whirlwind? skarmory gets owned by almost everything on this team and donphan can't really come in safely on them. hippowdon is the only example of something that poses a threat because of it's ability to recover its hp, whittle hp down with sandstorm, attack with STAB EQ and it's superior hp. even so, milotic and machamp (and perhaps persian) can work in unison to take care of the problem.

beside that, his team does have a decent amount of staying power. drapion and milotic are the only things on his team that are forced to switch out upon specific threats while the rest have several options to consider.
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The Ground weakness is too much. Drapion isn't doing all that much for me unfortunately. Something bulkier to cover my Fighting- and Ground-weakness?
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Hmm...How about Claydol? It resists ground and fighting, can spin, set up, and other things.
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Old May 3rd, 2008 (12:10 PM).
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I really don't like Claydol. I'd like something bulky but can dish out damage in return.
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CM Cress or C.Beam Cressy by chance? If not, you can make a semi-bulky Heracross since it resists both ground and fighting.
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Yeah, I'd prefer it to be a Physical-oriented replacement. Blissey has been a nuisance as well.
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I see there's no Close Combat on this set unfortunately. However, maybe you could run Brick Break so your defenses won't fall. Anyway, Sleep will activate Guts, so the extra attack should help. Oh yeah, obviously, this will like...always wall Blissey.
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Psysical-oriented fighting and ground stopper? WEEZING (if that's physical-oriented enough). Gliscor works as well (GO WEEZING)

I must say though, Zapdos (given a lot more Def EVs) is usually going to work fine, even though Roost can get in your way.

EDIT: Heracross is a lot better for taking special fighting/ground hits (lol special ground hits). EQ immunity is cool, but most fighters can absolutely pummel Heracross.

All joking about Weezing aside, gliscor would probably fit better due to STAB EQ destroying blissey...just watch out for Ice Beam.
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perhaps SD Gliscor, as forementioned in the leading pokemon thing? Maybe it can come back to strike again as being a useful pokemon!
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SD Gliscor is just a SDchomp rip-off. that Skarmory walls so horribly it isn't even funny (and so does about everything else). Wall Gliscor is a much more useful pokemon in general.

EDIT: Not to mention it's going to be helping the team a lot more anyways.

No offense, but SD Gliscor really is bad. Every bulky water walls it and steel walls also say "lol." Weezing can WoW and floating psychics like Cress and Mesprit destroy it. Hippowdon can Ice Fang it to its doom and Ice Shard from Donphan is no pal either. Even HP Ice Gengar walls it.
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Well I need something. ;-; Drapion fails to do anything even with a Swords Dance under its belt.
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Salamence...it's a pretty capable pokemon. 135 base Atk speaks for itself. Nobody uses it, but Cbmence is an absolutely terror.
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yeah i mentioned salamence earlier, but there we go again with the srock weakness =/
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Well it's not a big of a deal. ;-; I just hate when I get stuck with two Pokemon under 25% health who are weak to Stealth Rock with no Rapid Spinner.
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I use Zapdos without a Rapid Spinner, and it happens to be one of my most effective pokemon...just to throw that out there.

I really don't use spinners anymore since nobody uses Spikes and SR isn't a threat unless you're using Articuno, Moltres, or Charizard. Even those that take 25% really don't care. So I really wouldn't worry about it.
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some charizards like the stealth rock damage. he's like the only fire starter who can guarantee blaze activation.

anywho, that's besides the point. what's going on with magnezone?
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