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Old May 16th, 2008 (5:21 PM).
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Well, here we go! I plan on using this team on Wifi.


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Careful
252 Hp / 128 Atk / 128 SpD /
Stealth Rock
Reflect
Explosion
Hypnosis

Very standard, but still good nonetheless. Provides helpful defensive support with Reflect, allows teammates to set up with Hypnosis, Stealth Rock to soften things up, and finally Explosion to take out a powerhouse near the end of the game, or to break a stalemate.


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Adamant
252 Atk / 252 Spd / 6 Hp
Close Combat
Megahorn
Night Slash
Stone Edge

Very common, but great at wall-breaking. Instead of taking out sweepers, it goes after slow tanks and walls. Not much to say really. It'll ram its horn up your butt if you try to step on it. Yeah, you too SKARMORY!


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Timid
252 SpA / 252 Spd / 6 Hp
Surf
Thunderbolt
Ice Beam
Psychic

I'm thinking about putting in some defensive EVs so it can switch into things, which is its purpose: Take out many common threats that the team can't handle, such as Gyarados, Infernape, and Garchomp. It's cool, as it's not everyday you see a starfish kill a dragon by blasting it with electricity.


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Relaxed
240 Hp / 216 Def / 56 SpA /
Surf
Ice Beam
Earthquake
Protect

A bulky mixed sweeper. It can scout what an opponent will do, and counter common threats, such as bulky ground types. It also gives Starmie and Gyarados cover from electric types.


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Adamant
216 Hp / 16 Atk / 156 Def / 120 Spe /
Waterfall
Earthquake
Taunt
Dragon Dance

BulkyGyara. I invested some extra EVs in Speed, since its IV in speed won't allow it to outrun Garchomp after a DD. Good at picking up the scraps near the end, and does well with wall-breaking with Taunt.

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252 Hp / 252 Def / 6 SpD /
Thunderwave
Softboiled
Counter
Flamethrower

Sorry, no picture. Along with Bronzong, it forms a walling duo. Gives paralysis support, which Heracross may need. Counter is to surprise attack physical sweepers, and Flamethrower is there for steel types who think they can switch in with no threat. Also, the team lacks Fire offense, and three members can already Ice Beam.

Gyarados is the only one that has a problem with Stealth Rock, so no big deal. I am a little worried that the team has a trio of water types. The typing of each of them don't give many overlapping weaknesses, but it's still something an opponent might be able to exploit. A Sunny Day team might bulldoze us. It's possible Gyarados can be replaced with Salamence, but I'm not sure. ScarfChomp is also an option, but mine doesn't have Outrage, but still might have some use, since the team lacks quick speed. Starmie is there, but Azelf, Alakazam, Weavile, and others still outrun it. Two choice-holding pokemon worries me though. Rate away!
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Old May 16th, 2008 (5:56 PM).
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I'd highly suggest you to replace Psychic for Rapid Spin on Starmie since you are carrying Gyarados on your team. Gyarados takes 25% damage every time it switches in.
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Should Starmie's EVs be changed to be more defensive then?

Heck, if Gyarados is replaced by Garchomp, that problem is pretty much solved.
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Taunt murders Bronzong. It'll force you to explode then switch into something with a Substitute. I'd add either Gyro Ball or EQ just so you can do some attacking.

Keep the Starmie set. It's not really meant to switch in and take hits. Remove Psychic for either Rapid Spin or Grass Knot (if you don't fear SR and Spikes)

If you're gonna have Flamethrower, at least get CM to boost it's defenses. Or just ditch it for Seismic Toss.
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Old May 16th, 2008 (7:12 PM).
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Possible Gyarados replacement:

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252 Atk / 124 Spd / 134 Hp
Dragon Claw
Earthquake
Fire Fang
Stone Edge

The Speed EVs gives it 271, just enough to outrun Salamence after one DD. What do you think? It's pretty bulky, should all 134 EVs go in Hp, or in either Def and SpD?
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nO it nEeds HYPAR BEAMZ.

It's a great set, I'd use it, just be extremely wary of Weavile. Ice Shard could really hurt.
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Possible Gyarados replacement:

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Adamant
252 Atk / 124 Spd / 134 Hp
Dragon Claw
Earthquake
Fire Fang
Stone Edge

The Speed EVs gives it 271, just enough to outrun Salamence after one DD. What do you think? It's pretty bulky, should all 134 EVs go in Hp, or in either Def and SpD?
252 speed +nature is mandatory on ScarfChomp, allows you to take Deoxys-E. Salamence reaches 328 speed max clean, which you need the 252 speed +nature to outrun after 1 DD. You could use 240 speed, but speed tie with ScarfChomp and SubSalacChomp is much better.
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Well, here we go! I plan on using this team on Wifi.


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Careful
252 Hp / 128 Atk / 128 SpD /
Stealth Rock
Reflect
Rest
Hypnosis

Very standard, but still good nonetheless. Provides helpful defensive support with Reflect, allows teammates to set up with Hypnosis, Stealth Rock to soften things up, and finally Explosion to take out a powerhouse near the end of the game, or to break a stalemate.

You can have a really good Cleric pokemon on Bliss... So Rest>Boom!



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Adamant
252 Atk / 252 Spd / 6 Hp
Close Combat
Megahorn
Night Slash/Pursuit
Stone Edge

Very common, but great at wall-breaking. Instead of taking out sweepers, it goes after slow tanks and walls. Not much to say really. It'll ram its horn up your butt if you try to step on it. Yeah, you too SKARMORY!

Nice, but pursuit is always an interesting option.




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Timid
252 SpA / 252 Spd / 6 Hp
Surf
Thunderbolt
Ice Beam
Psychic/Recover (Only with Life Orb)

I'm thinking about putting in some defensive EVs so it can switch into things, which is its purpose: Take out many common threats that the team can't handle, such as Gyarados, Infernape, and Garchomp. It's cool, as it's not everyday you see a starfish kill a dragon by blasting it with electricity.

I agree with you: Offensive Starmie>Rapid Spin "Bulky" Star. But Expert Belt? Choice Specs is far better, if you wanna differents attacks you can use Life Orb, in that case use Recover over Psychic.



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240 Hp / 216 Def / 56 SpA /
Hydro Pump
Ice Beam
Earthquake
Roar

A bulky mixed sweeper. It can scout what an opponent will do, and counter common threats, such as bulky ground types. It also gives Starmie and Gyarados cover from electric types.

Make The atacks switches and it'll be fine...





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Adamant
216 Hp / 16 Atk / 156 Def / 120 Spe /
Waterfall
Stone Edge/EQ
Taunt
Dragon Dance

BulkyGyara. I invested some extra EVs in Speed, since its IV in speed won't allow it to outrun Garchomp after a DD. Good at picking up the scraps near the end, and does well with wall-breaking with Taunt.

I think on Leftovers>Wacan Berry, but It's your choice...

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252 Hp / 252 Def / 6 SpD /
Thunderwave/ Flamethrower/Ice Beam
Softboiled
Aromatherapy
Seismic Toss


Sorry, no picture. Along with Bronzong, it forms a walling duo. Gives paralysis support, which Heracross may need. Counter is to surprise attack physical sweepers, and Flamethrower is there for steel types who think they can switch in with no threat. Also, the team lacks Fire offense, and three members can already Ice Beam.

No,No,No and No.... Sorry I don't agree with your moveset :disappoin. Use Standard please, there is nothing that you can create on a Blissey. Your choices are: Special Wall (Cleric) and CMBlyss. Flamethrower can work. Blyss IS NOT a support, you have already a Brozong for that....

Gyarados is the only one that has a problem with Stealth Rock, so no big deal. I am a little worried that the team has a trio of water types. The typing of each of them don't give many overlapping weaknesses, but it's still something an opponent might be able to exploit. A Sunny Day team might bulldoze us. It's possible Gyarados can be replaced with Salamence, but I'm not sure. ScarfChomp is also an option, but mine doesn't have Outrage, but still might have some use, since the team lacks quick speed. Starmie is there, but Azelf, Alakazam, Weavile, and others still outrun it. Two choice-holding pokemon worries me though. Rate away!

You lack a realiable Physical Wall, Brozong isn't that Much the wall you want. Skarmory /Forretress over Brozong. Also Dusknoir can work well with Blyss. Solid Team anyways...

I don't like the idea of three Water pokes on the Same team, maybe you want another Special Sweeper, if you switch your lead Brozong, a good lead is Scarfgar or also it can be Specs. Anyways Gyarados is a good lead, too common IMO.

Also on Garchomp, Strenght>Speed. I Like more things that can hit hard against those that can be Fast... Sword Dance Chomp (I like more the Chain Chomp) or Choice Band Chomp are good choices...
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252 speed +nature is mandatory on ScarfChomp, allows you to take Deoxys-E. Salamence reaches 328 speed max clean, which you need the 252 speed +nature to outrun after 1 DD. You could use 240 speed, but speed tie with ScarfChomp and SubSalacChomp is much better.
A standard DDMence only runs 270 speed to outrun Adamant Heracross. I've never heard of a DDMence that runs max speed.
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Some Mences run as much as 280 speed to outspeed Lucario.


As for Chomp, you could go D.Claw/Outrage/EQ/Fire Fang I use that on both my Choice Chomps and it works better, Dragon Claw is for early match, so not to get locked in. Outrage is for late game sweeps.

That annoys me, why DO people use outrage FIRST move in a match, its asking for getting revenge killed yourself XD

I would make Starmie Bulky and use it as your Obligatory Ape and Gyara counter preferably with Recover and/or Rapid Spin, if you need the latter.


Try Gyro Ball >> Boom on Zong, it NEEDS an attacking move.

I would actually keep Gyarados, your team REALLY needs a good fighting resist, Reflect will help Gyarados switching into those. Leftovers >> Waycan berry.


Roar >> Protect on Swampert.


Seismic Toss, Wish, OR Aromatherapy >> Counter on Blissey. Counter.FAILS.HARD.AND.IS.NOVELTY. its just bait for stuff to stat up on you.

Something to consider.
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In the team I originally posted, I'm considering replacing Gyarados and Bronzong with Salamence and Skarmory. Is this good? Or is it a bad change?
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In the team I originally posted, I'm considering replacing Gyarados and Bronzong with Salamence and Skarmory. Is this good? Or is it a bad change?
You COULD possible get away with that, just make mence bulky, so you have a solid fighting resist.

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- Earthquake

280 speed, thus outspeeding Lucario and CB Hera, you are faster so can Roost to cancel out your flying type so Stone Edge wont be a problem. It wont OHKO anyways, even with Stealth Rock in play =)

Scarf Cross Stone Edge does (38.76% - 45.99%) after intimidate, as its assumed your switching in. You will outspeed scarf hera after after a dragon dance and can therefore Roost.


Now the question lies which item ? leftovers lets you be more defensive whilst Life Orb lets you ohko heracross after a DD and Lucario straight up.


So ill leave this up to you.


You get walled by Zong and Skarm, but its a small price to pay for being able to beat such threats. Magnezone and Heatran work well in conjunction with this, so you could save a spot on your team for one =)
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