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Old June 2nd, 2008 (4:17 AM).
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Ok put this team together, works ok but as you will see I have a few HUGE weaknesses lol

Ninjask @ Leftovers
Jolly
252 Speed 252 Attack 4 HP
-Substitute
-Baton Pass
-Swords Dance (considering taking it out for something else)
-X-Scissor

Standard Ninjask BP'er. SD is probably going to be replaced, idk what with though. I tried using it with a sub and every hit the sub broke, even with "not very effective"

Metagross @ Choice Band
Adament
244 Attack 252 HP 8 Defense 4 Speed
-Meteor Mash
-Ice Punch
-EQ
-Explosion

Another Standard CBGross. Yeah you get the point.

Gengar @ Life orb
Timid
252 Speed 252 Sp. Attack 4 HP
-Hypnosis
-Tbolt
-Energy Ball
-Shadow Ball

Considering revision. NOt sure if I should replace Energy ball with something.

Starmie @ Leftovers
Timid
252 Speed 126 HP 126 Sp. attack
-Rapid Spin
-Recover
-Surf
-Tbolt

My spinner for this team. Works pretty good, and with the speed a tbolt could prob OHKO a Gyara, and if not my starm Gengar can most definantly

Skarmory @ Leftovers
Impish
252 Defense 126 Attack 130 Speed
-Stealth Rock
-Whirlwind
-Roost
-Aerial Ace

Defensive Wall. Probably the best liver on my team. I don't think he's been OHKO'ed yet

Blissey @ Leftovers
Bold
252 Defense 80 HP 172 Sp. Def
-Seismic Toss
-Softboiled
-Ice Beam
-Twave

My Special Wall. She works .... OK. Thinking of getting rid of Ice Beam for Counter, due to the fact that she SUSTAINED a SD lucario's Close Combat with minimal HP but it still SURVIVED IT. Thought she could be a good killer for those power houses. (the cario was Life orbed)


Weird mix, 3 people weak against fire. 3 Against Electric. Yeah some other flaws I probably don't see yet. Thanks in advance
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Old June 2nd, 2008 (8:46 AM).
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Ninjask @ Leftovers
Jolly
252 Speed, 252 Attack, 4 HP
-Substitute
-Baton Pass
-Swords Dance (considering taking it out for something else)
-X-Scissor

(won't comment, due to others opposition)

Metagross @ Choice Band
Adament
244 Attack, 252 HP, 8 Defense, 4 Speed
-Meteor Mash
-Ice Punch
-EQ
-Explosion


Gengar @ Life orb
Timid
252 Speed, 252 Sp. Attack, 4 HP
-Hypnosis
-Tbolt
-Focus blast
-Shadow Ball


Starmie @ Leftovers
Timid
252 Speed, 126 HP, 126 Sp. attack
-Rapid Spin
-Recover / Psychic
-Surf
-Tbolt


Skarmory @ Leftovers
Impish
252 Defense, 126 Attack, 130 Speed
-Stealth Rock/Spikes (depending on your mood)
-Whirlwind
-Roost
-Brave bird


Blissey @ Leftovers
Calm
252 Defense, 80 HP, 172 Sp. Def
-Seismic Toss
-Softboiled
-Aromatherapy
-Twave
Changes are in bold, that i know about
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Old June 2nd, 2008 (8:52 AM).
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Ok put this team together, works ok but as you will see I have a few HUGE weaknesses lol

Ninjask @ Leftovers
Jolly
80 Speed 252 Attack 176 HP
-Substitute
-Baton Pass
-Swords Dance/Ariel Ace
-X-Scissor/Ariel Ace

Standard Ninjask BP'er. SD is probably going to be replaced, idk what with though. I tried using it with a sub and every hit the sub broke, even with "not very effective"
That is a speed overdose. Deoxys E aside it's is the fastest poke this side of a scarf. Bulk it up a bit more, and ariel ace is your other option. I really recommend keeping SD though, it's essentially passing dragon dances.

Metagross @ Choice Band
Adament
244 Attack 252 HP 12 Def
-Meteor Mash
-Thunder Punch
-EQ
-Explosion

Another Standard CBGross. Yeah you get the point.
Consider Pursuit over explosion.

Gengar @ Life orb
Timid
252 Speed 252 Sp. Attack 4 HP
-Hypnosis
-Tbolt
-Focus Blast
-Shadow Ball

Considering revision. NOt sure if I should replace Energy ball with something.
Yes you should. Energy ball offers jack all when it comes to coverage. Focus Blast is standard.

Starmie @ Leftovers
Timid
160HP/216Spd/132SpAtt
-Rapid Spin
-Recover
-Surf
-Tbolt

My spinner for this team. Works pretty good, and with the speed a tbolt could prob OHKO a Gyara, and if not my starm Gengar can most definantly
That EV spread is better.

Skarmory @ Leftovers/Shed Shell
Impish
252HP/56Att/200Def
-Stealth Rock/Spikes
-Whirlwind
-Roost
-Brave Bird

Defensive Wall. Probably the best liver on my team. I don't think he's been OHKO'ed yet
With that EV spread I'm amazed it's never been KO'd. It needs max HP to function properly. Brave Bird allows it to actually hurt something, and you can roost off the recoil.

Blissey @ Leftovers
Calm
252 Defense 40 HP 216 Sp. Def
-Seismic Toss
-Softboiled
-Aromatherapy
-Twave

My Special Wall. She works .... OK. Thinking of getting rid of Ice Beam for Counter, due to the fact that she SUSTAINED a SD lucario's Close Combat with minimal HP but it still SURVIVED IT. Thought she could be a good killer for those power houses. (the cario was Life orbed)
Nononono. Counter Sucks. Never EVER use it. You should not be trying to hurt your blissey just so it can hit back hard. That's not a wall's job is it?

Weird mix, 3 people weak against fire. 3 Against Electric. Yeah some other flaws I probably don't see yet. Thanks in advance
Changes in bold. Ninjask doesnt really do much for this team, it just adds to the weakness you have listed yourself. If you recognise those weaknesses without us having to tell you then you should have at least made an effort to rectify them before posting.
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Old June 2nd, 2008 (6:44 PM).
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Ninjask as a subpasser is so lame it's not funny, sure the speed boosts can help a bit, but I suggest replacing it with a subpassing vappy

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EVs: 188 HP, 252 Def, 68 Sp Atk
-Substitute
-Baton Pass
-Wish/Ice Beam/HP Electric/Surf/Protect/Toxic
-Wish/Ice Beam/HP Electric/Surf/Protect/Toxic

I personally use Wish and Protect in the last two slots, but then I never allow vappy to be my last pokemon, if that is your concern, then I have provided other options. Toxic also works well on Vappy, it's really up to you.

But yeah, Ninjask is just a dead weight
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Old June 3rd, 2008 (2:44 AM).
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Ninjask as a subpasser is so lame it's not funny, sure the speed boosts can help a bit, but I suggest replacing it with a subpassing vappy

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Calm Nature
EVs: 188 HP, 252 Def, 68 Sp Atk
-Substitute
-Baton Pass
-Wish/Ice Beam/HP Electric/Surf/Protect/Toxic
-Wish/Ice Beam/HP Electric/Surf/Protect/Toxic

I personally use Wish and Protect in the last two slots, but then I never allow vappy to be my last pokemon, if that is your concern, then I have provided other options. Toxic also works well on Vappy, it's really up to you.

But yeah, Ninjask is just a dead weight
He's passing Speed and Attack boosts, not Subs. The subs are for a chance to get in an SD.
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Old June 3rd, 2008 (3:06 AM).
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I think you should maybe change up the Types
I can see a Mix Ape sweeping your team

Both yours Walls are taken out by Infernape
Skarmory - Flamethrower
Blissey - Close Combat


Im not sure of the bulkyness of a metagross but i think a Flare Blitz/Flamethrower can kill it?
But if you can get a baton pass to starmie while ape uses fire your pretty safe ^^
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Old June 3rd, 2008 (5:13 AM).
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Consider Aromatherapy > Ice Beam as you need a reliable cleric. >;)
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Old June 3rd, 2008 (5:34 AM).
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I think you should maybe change up the Types
I can see a Mix Ape sweeping your team

Both yours Walls are taken out by Infernape
Skarmory - Flamethrower
Blissey - Close Combat


Im not sure of the bulkyness of a metagross but i think a Flare Blitz/Flamethrower can kill it?
But if you can get a baton pass to starmie while ape uses fire your pretty safe ^^
Starmie is regarded as one of the best infernape counters in the game, so he doesnt need to worry too much. He also has gengar to take close combats.
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Old June 3rd, 2008 (5:47 AM).
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He's passing Speed and Attack boosts, not Subs. The subs are for a chance to get in an SD.
Attack to whom though, Metagross is the only one going to take them and he has to switch out rather soon because of the band, no one else really can or needs the attack boosts, which is why i suggested a better subpasser.
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Old June 3rd, 2008 (5:49 AM).
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Starmie is regarded as one of the best infernape counters in the game, so he doesnt need to worry too much. He also has gengar to take close combats.
Yeah, Starmie counters Ape' really well, so he isn't much of a threat. >:0
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Old June 4th, 2008 (3:00 PM).
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I do plan to take the Jask out. He's been nothing but dead weight for me in the last few battles I've had. Even with the speed boosts and such, his attack hasn't done much of ANYTHING towards any one. With the exception of Alakazam, Gallade, and Gardevoir which I've fought. For those I have my Gengar though. I was thinking of adding in the place of my Jask a Mixape

Infernape @ Life Orb
Jolly
252 Speed 126 Attack 126 Sp. Att
-Close Combat
-Flamethrower
-U-turn
-Grass Knot

With that I can take out some pretty strong of counters towards him. Atleast I would hope, however if you have other ideas continue to post.

Thinking of replacing my Ice Beam for Aroma considering I was taken out with a Toxistaller and other variants of the thing.

Also, I put Ice Punch over Thunder Punch because it's held BETTER for my Metagross. Simply because it takes out a lot of common walls, Gliscor / Torterra to be the most recent. I'm still considering a lot of things and I highly appreciate the help.
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Old June 4th, 2008 (3:16 PM).
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Ok, I battled this team, worked out OK. He beat me, but I was BS'ing so much, just to make it more...interesting. Seriously, I've battled teams like this too many times.

For instance, as I said before, the SkarmBliss combo. I could have easily played that aganist you, as it is very well predicted. Second, Ninjask was useless that match, Stealth Rock took care of it for me. If you dare to use it, get a spinner.
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