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Old June 5th, 2008 (3:28 PM). Edited June 6th, 2008 by Lalapizzame.
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Jolly
224 HP/12 Attack/196 Defense/76 Speed
Dragon Dance
Earthquake
Dragon Claw
Roost

Here to counter Heracross as well as Lucario. :D



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Bold
252 Defense/212 HP/44 Special Defense
HP Fighting
Surf
Ice Beam
Slack Off

Set is standard besides HP Fighting which I use to hammer Weavile. :D

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Bold
252 HP/220 Defense/36 Speed
Discharge
Roost
Light Screen
HP Ice

Discharge is over Thunderbolt on this set because 30% chance to paralyze things is nice while losing little power. :D Light Screen to take Special hits more easily. HP Ice to pound Dragons. Roost for instant recovery and lose weaknesses such as Rock and Ice.


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Relaxed
252 HP/16 Special Attack/52 Defense/188 Special Defense
Thunder
Toxic
Earthquake
Ice Punch

Here to have a nice Ice resist which still can take hits from both sides. :D


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Calm
252 HP/4 Special Attack/252 Special Defense
Grass Knot
Sludge Bomb
Sleep Powder
Leech Seed


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Relaxed
252 HP/52 Special Attack/204 Defense
Earthquake
Roar
Ice Beam
Hydro Pump

EVs in Special Attack 2HKO Weezing and Skarmory with Hydro Pump and Ice Beam can KO Dragons while Earthquake means Raikou can go die if it doesn't have HP Grass. (HP Grass is really rare now. :D)

Now you can rate my boring team. :D





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Old June 6th, 2008 (8:59 AM).
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Adamant
252 HP/172 Attack/40 Defense/40 Special Defense
Swords Dance
Quick Attack
Iron Head
Roost

EVs make it bulky a little and the set is standard with Leftovers for more bulkiness and Iron Head for the ability to hit Ghosts such as Dusknoir.

This should not be leading, especially since you're walled by steels and minus attack power means sweeping will be even harder.


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Bold
252 Defense/56 Special Attack/124 HP/128 Special Defense
Wish
Surf
Ice Beam
HP Electric

Wish for recovery to Vaporeon and its teammates. Surf and Ice Beam will provide good coverage and should OHKO most Garchomps with the current EVs using Ice Beam. HP Electric deals with Gyarados. 128 Special Defense to take hits from Special attackers more easily.

Those EVs from a first glance look way over 510. 510-252=256. 256-56=200. 124 + 128 > 200 =/

HP Electric...ugh, it's so useless on Vaporeon besides Gyarados, it's rarely worth it. Not to mention that Zapdos + Venusaur do okay with Gyarados.



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Bold
252 HP/220 Defense/36 Speed
Discharge
Roost
Light Screen
HP Ice

Discharge is over Thunderbolt on this set because 30% chance to paralyze things is nice while losing little power. :D Light Screen to take Special hits more easily. HP Ice to pound Dragons. Roost for instant recovery and lose weaknesses such as Rock and Ice.

Looks fine.


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Jolly
4 HP/252 Attack/252 Speed
Thunderpunch
Return
Earthquake
Shadow Claw

Night Slash+Thunderpunch or Ice Punch is illegal so I chose Shadow Claw instead. I use Thunderpunch over Ice Punch because I like to hammer Gyarados. :D Return and Earthquake+Shadow Claw provide great coverage and should hit everything for at least neutral damage in Shoddy. Also, the only reason I use this over Slaking is it doesn't have a horrible ability and can be good sometimes to absorb the status of Sleep. Still can hit hard and outspeed things too. :D


This thing can't even 2HKO max Def/max HP Blissey. In other words, don't use it.


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252 HP/4 Special Attack/252 Special Defense
Grass Knot
Sludge Bomb
Sleep Powder
Leech Seed

Sure.


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Impish
252 HP/56 Attack/200 Defense
Brave Bird
Whirlwind
Roost
Spikes

Spikes so if the opponent switches in, they get damage. Isn't that great? :D Brave Bird to hurt things and not get destroyed by Taunt like Umbreon. Whirlwind to give out damage by Spikes and Roost for instant recovery since there's no Leftovers and Brave Bird will give it a lot of damage from recoil eventually. Shed Shell is also there to escape Magnezone and laugh as it tries to Thunderbolt my Venusaur which might outspeed it and restore the lost damage.

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Ew, no rock resist. Tyranitar is going to smash everything.

Azelf can blindly set up on you and sweep your team, unless you maybe get Light Screen up on time and try your luck with Zapdos.

My favorite failure of a ghost, Gengar, isn't much nicer, as Venusaur can't hurt it at all and other pokemon are eaten by supereffective attacks, or in Scizor's case, slept.

Your only fighting resist that can actually take boosted fighting hits (from a CB or whatever) is Zapdos, and it folds to common secondary attacks like Stone Edge and Ice Punch. The SR weakness doesn't help either. Because of this, Heracross and Lucario can break your team fairly easily.

As embarrassing as it might seem, Mixed Electivire can 6-0 you, especially with a motor drive boost. Zapdos has a chance at stopping it, but it's not all too reliable.

SpecsMence is also going to be tough to avoid. Any subCMer also wins. Most of your team is set-up bait for Raikou.

Basically, your team is weak to almost every special sweeper in the game. Replace Vigoroth with a good special wall that beats sub/CMers and other things.

This team could also use that rock resist, and a better fighting one probably wouldn't hurt either.
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Ew, no rock resist. Tyranitar is going to smash everything.

Azelf can blindly set up on you and sweep your team, unless you maybe get Light Screen up on time and try your luck with Zapdos.

My favorite failure of a ghost, Gengar, isn't much nicer, as Venusaur can't hurt it at all and other pokemon are eaten by supereffective attacks, or in Scizor's case, slept.

Your only fighting resist that can actually take boosted fighting hits (from a CB or whatever) is Zapdos, and it folds to common secondary attacks like Stone Edge and Ice Punch. The SR weakness doesn't help either. Because of this, Heracross and Lucario can break your team fairly easily.

As embarrassing as it might seem, Mixed Electivire can 6-0 you, especially with a motor drive boost. Zapdos has a chance at stopping it, but it's not all too reliable.

SpecsMence is also going to be tough to avoid. Any subCMer also wins. Most of your team is set-up bait for Raikou.

Basically, your team is weak to almost every special sweeper in the game. Replace Vigoroth with a good special wall that beats sub/CMers and other things.

This team could also use that rock resist, and a better fighting one probably wouldn't hurt either.
Swampert should be able to take on Raikou withou HP Grass so can I use that? I'm also going to use Gliscor to counter Heracross and Bulkymence can help Gliscor.
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Registeel walls Raikou anyways now that you put it in.

You still don't really have a good special wall. I would probably replace Venusaur for one.
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Anit, don't ever suggest replacing Venasaur. Hw'll get you in your sleep.

That said, replace a certain grass/poison type, if you had one on your team. And PLEEEEASE replace Vigoroth. A stonger sweeper is in ordah.
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Anit, don't ever suggest replacing Venasaur. Hw'll get you in your sleep.

That said, replace a certain grass/poison type, if you had one on your team. And PLEEEEASE replace Vigoroth. A stonger sweeper is in ordah.
My team doesn't seem like it has any sweepers and is lacking in power besides Bulkymence, which requires a DD or two to actually do anything and gets walled by Steels that can avoid Earthquake >_> =/ I need good sweepers that don't add to my Ice Weakness too which is only resisted by Slowbro and Registeel. =[ I'm thinking of using Heracross as a Physical sweeper and the flying weakness can be laughed at by Zapdos and Registeel and Salamence might be able to take Physical ones.Swampert and Slowbro as well as my lead all laugh at Fire type attacks aimed at Heracross. Venusaur also helps soak up those Waterfalls (Since Slowbro won't do much to Gyarados without HP Electric :( ) o_O Vigoroth is already removed. Did I not update before you saw this RMT?
 

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