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Old June 17th, 2008 (10:54 PM).
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yea i get you. Maybe ill go weezing since gliscor brings about another ice weakness to whch tangrwoth already has...plus weezing knows some pretty nifty moves.



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I just want to show you your flaws so really i am helping you :P
Well, you know i LOVE and am ALWAYS up for a battle, there's just 3 reasons right now-

1. Im dead tired...
2. My team is absolutely ALL over the place, im only up because i want to FINALIZE IT and make sure it's done before i go to bed because i NEED to get ready for the but-load of summer battling i'm doing this summer...not to mention breeding =/
And lastly and most importantly, my wifi is down right now =/ Im sorry man lol *hides under a rock of embarrassment*
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Well, you know i LOVE and am ALWAYS up for a battle, there's just 3 reasons right now-

1. Im dead tired...
2. My team is absolutely ALL over the place, im only up because i want to FINALIZE IT and make sure it's done before i go to bed because i NEED to get ready for the but-load of summer battling i'm doing this summer...not to mention breeding =/
And lastly and most importantly, my wifi is down right now =/ Im sorry man lol *hides under a rock of embarrassment*
its fine. Maybe some other time then huh?
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its fine. Maybe some other time then huh?
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yea deffinately lol filla billa
im not assain so i dont know what that means lol :D
how old are you?
Your a dedicated player i like that.
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Okay, DeoTheDemolisher, I've given you an infraction. Not only have you contributed very little to actually fixing this team, (aka, rating without proper knowledge - a team does not have to revolve around Sandstream just because you have TTar or Hippo on the team as your opponent will also feel the negative effects of Sandstream) but you have also gone off-topic by requesting battles in a RMT topic and your last post should have been left to PMs.

Lil Mudkip849, don't break the 25-character rule and stay on topic.
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Old June 17th, 2008 (11:09 PM).
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im not assain so i dont know what that means lol :D
how old are you?
Your a dedicated player i like that.
im 17 and uhh i like playing this game lol
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Okay, DeoTheDemolisher, I've given you an infraction. Not only have you contributed very little to actually fixing this team, (aka, rating without proper knowledge - a team does not have to revolve around Sandstream just because you have TTar or Hippo on the team as your opponent will also feel the negative effects of Sandstream) but you have also gone off-topic by requesting battles in a RMT topic and your last post should have been left to PMs.
Ok sorry im new.
Its really hard to fix teams that are all over the place.(no offense)
I think thats up to me if I think its proper knowledge or now. Basically your telling me what my opinion should be.
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Electrode is largely outclassed by Gengar sans the 20 points of speed which is redundant as Electrode couldn't pull off a sweep anyway.
My bad about that, don't know what I was thinking.

Weezing is a great choice for this team. It doesn't add weaknesses that this team already's got and can do well as a wall. I'm not sure what the best moveset/item is for it, but I would definitely put on Destiny Bond.
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Ok sorry im new.
Its really hard to fix teams that are all over the place.(no offense)
I think thats up to me if I think its proper knowledge or now. Basically your telling me what my opinion should be.
No, it's really not =/ Otherwise nobody would use Hippowdon because of its ability >_>

Anyways...

I like the progress this team has made. I'd definitely go Flamethrower >>> Sludge Bomb. You can damage Heracross a little more without a huge risk of poison, which will allow Heracross to slaughter your team, even Weezing. That and Sludge bomb is quite possibly the worst attack type in the game. Normal poison is a pretty useless status to be spreading around. It doesn't matter a whole lot though, so if it takes too much trouble to change it, don't worry about it.

Honestly though, bulky DDmence and Weezing counter most of the same things. You might wanna pick one or the other.
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He's not telling you what your opinion should be. Smarties was saying your giving advice that doesn't fit into the Pokemon Competitive environment. So learn the rules of the game and then give advice.
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No, it's really not =/ Otherwise nobody would use Hippowdon because of its ability >_>

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I like the progress this team has made. I'd definitely go Flamethrower >>> Sludge Bomb. You can damage Heracross a little more without a huge risk of poison, which will allow Heracross to slaughter your team, even Weezing. That and Sludge bomb is quite possibly the worst attack type in the game. Normal poison is a pretty useless status to be spreading around. It doesn't matter a whole lot though, so if it takes too much trouble to change it, don't worry about it.

Honestly though, bulky DDmence and Weezing counter most of the same things. You might wanna pick one or the other.
I feel as though i'd want to get rid of weezing because i know the Mence is alot more dependable and it's main weakness (ice) does nothing to snorlax...even nape in some cases...plus Mence has the potential to grab 2 DD's and sweep. But if i pick mence, what can i replace weezing with?

and yea...i like the progress made too =)
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I'd get a rock resistance over Weezing or Salamence. CBtar and DDtar and any Tar is just quite a pain. Resttalk Machamp is always a great way to deal with that problem, and of course there's Hippowdon who is the sturdiest rock resistance in standard play. Hippowdon has trouble with mixed Scarftar and Boah though, so Machamp is probably a safe bet. I'd EV it in defense though, since it isn't mega bulky and can't take boosted Focus Punches and Earthquakes very well.
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I'd get a rock resistance over Weezing or Salamence. CBtar and DDtar and any Tar is just quite a pain. Resttalk Machamp is always a great way to deal with that problem, and of course there's Hippowdon who is the sturdiest rock resistance in standard play. Hippowdon has trouble with mixed Scarftar and Boah though, so Machamp is probably a safe bet. I'd EV it in defense though, since it isn't mega bulky and can't take boosted Focus Punches and Earthquakes very well.
Hmmm...instead of restalk, i was thinking of doing something like a toxic orb set with Guts. Machamp can do alot of damage, but see...i mostly used him to switch into a Blissey's T-wave to keep my other sweeper's ok and i *rest* and the hax begin and machamp dies. Instead, i would want to use his HUGE power to an advantage, i feel like i'd want to use him like Slaking, which is switch in, absorb, Close Combat, and switch out. Think that could work?
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Well Tyranitar is just going to sweep your team then. That's going to be bad news.

Your Tyranitar weakness is REALLY bad, so an offensive machamp isn't really going to help. You just need a Tyranitar counter...really badly. Machamp is powerful, but you need a rock resist a bit more now.
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Well Tyranitar is just going to sweep your team then. That's going to be bad news.

Your Tyranitar weakness is REALLY bad, so an offensive machamp isn't really going to help. You just need a Tyranitar counter...really badly. Machamp is powerful, but you need a rock resist a bit more now.
hmmmm..what about bronzong? Also, aren't there other fighting types that are as bulky as machamp that do the job??

And BTW, are you talking about the dragon dance variant? Because i've seen tyranitars shooting ice beams to crunches to even using a sub punching combo =/ the thing's unpredictable but im usually in a situation where i can deal with it...beleive it or not...
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You have no safe switch on CBtar, who eats Tangrowth alive and really hurts Salamence. Stone Edge KOs your team.

Machamp is one of the best resttalking fighters around (if that means anything). It's about as close to an all-around Tyranitar counter as you're going to find.

EDIT: Bronzong is really unreliable to be honest. It gets manhandled by the Choice Bander.
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You have no safe switch on CBtar, who eats Tangrowth alive and really hurts Salamence. Stone Edge KOs your team.

Machamp is one of the best resttalking fighters around (if that means anything). It's about as close to an all-around Tyranitar counter as you're going to find.

EDIT: Bronzong is really unreliable to be honest. It gets manhandled by the Choice Bander.
CBtar...how many variants of that thing are around X-X im surprised people aren't complaining about that like they are garchomp *hides under a rock before the flames come*

But alright...ill try Restalk machamp. But if it doesn't work ill try some other variants i came up with machamp to suit my team. Either way, i feel the progress i've made with my team is just amazing...thanks alot =)
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CBtar...how many variants of that thing are around X-X im surprised people aren't complaining about that like they are garchomp *hides under a rock before the flames come*

But alright...ill try Restalk machamp. But if it doesn't work ill try some other variants i came up with machamp to suit my team. Either way, i feel the progress i've made with my team is just amazing...thanks alot =)
Theres always Hariyama, if you dont want Machamp, its more utility based though, whilst Machamp runs a better Rest-Talk set, so its up to you.

Whilst tar is a force, it can be countered.
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My suggestions, Lucario, Gliscor and Machamp all are good Tyranitar counters, Lucario with its 4x resistance to Rock and Dark, Machamp with a 2x resistance to Rock and Dark but it doesn't have a weakness to Earthquake, and Gliscor has great defenses and can earn itself a resistance to Rock by using Roost.
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My suggestions, Lucario, Gliscor and Machamp all are good Tyranitar counters, Lucario with its 4x resistance to Rock and Dark, Machamp with a 2x resistance to Rock and Dark but it doesn't have a weakness to Earthquake, and Gliscor has great defenses and can earn itself a resistance to Rock by using Roost.
Luke and Gliscor could work...moreso luke because gliscor would make 1/2 of my team weak to ice...too much for snorlax to handle.

Lucario's weaknesses IMO are covered here. Fire by snorlax/starmie and inernape, ground by tangrowth and salamence, and fighting with salamence, starmie, and well tangrowth because he's a wall lol.

Though should i make him special, physical, or mixed...and would he be better then machamp??
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Honestly I've never found Lucario a very good solution for Tyranitar. The DDer with crush it and the CBer can use Earthquake to waste it. You can predict around it, but you are playing with fire against one of the most powerful pokemon in the game.

If you use Gliscor, use it over Salamence as they cover the same things. Gliscor is good against Tyranitar, just watch out for Ice Beam which is growing more common.

And of course Machamp works. I'd recommend either Gliscor or Machamp. Lucario...I'm not a big fan of relying on that thing to beat Tyranitar when it's fragile and is a very shaky switch-in as it is (in my opinion). When I use CB Tyranitar, I always Earthquake first to hit Machamp and especially Lucario harder. I just don't think the risk (Lucario dying and a potential Tyranitar sweep) is worth the reward (forcing TTar to switch out).
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Actually Champ and Luke are two different things, they take different stuff on. I recommended Champ because it would cover the Weavile weakness and provide a RestTalker.

I think I recommended BulkyMence, not sure. Both BulkyMence and Gliscor arguably do the same job, so you should be fine.

Mamoswine is an issue but it is covered by Celebi I mentioned earlier, Champ can take it on with Reflect support and it can't come in on any of your pokemon except BulkyMence.

A little offtopic, but I find that Bold Celebis are ubiquitous on Smogon, and I think there is a good Relaxed one too.

Edit: Vacuum Wave Anti, Vacuum Wave
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the thing i dont understand is with the CBer wouldnt luke be fatser then ttar i mean i wouldnt switch IN luke unless i KNOW he was going to crunch or whatever wheras if i know he's banded it'd be easier to predict...but i can understand the dragon dancing one...i dunno...

i actually dont want to remove bulkymence. I like it, and i dont think people know about it much..who came up with it anyway??
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Bulky mence is spammed on PC just so you know.

Seriously, using both Gliscor and Salamence is silly. If you want to keep Salamence, that pretty much leaves Gliscor and Lucario. And Lucario...

Speaking of which, choice Band variants carry Earthquake which will easily knock Lucario out in one hit. Boah KOs it with Focus Punch or even Flamethrower if it has it. DDtar DDs and KOs with Earthquake (unless you runs Specs with Vacuum Wave or something, and with SS boosting SADef I wonder if that would even KO). And what if it predicts your switch the next time and uses Earthquake right away? Scarf Tar KOs it with Fire Blast or whatever fire move it carries. Generally it just isn't a reliable counter. It's a decent switch in on the choice bander, but man does it get murdered by everything else. Machamp beats all of those sets and Gliscor beats anything without Ice Beam very efficiently. If you keep Mence, IMO your only good option left is Machamp.

Maybe it's my conservative nature here, but I really can't recommend Lucario as your only coverage of probably the most powerful choice bander in standard play.
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