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Old June 23rd, 2008 (6:40 PM). Edited June 24th, 2008 by Dark Azelf.
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Porygon-Z @ Choice Scarf
Timid
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252 Speed 252 Sp. Att 4 HP
- Tri Attack
- Dark Pulse
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt

Ok Porygon-Z is probably my favorite starter of all. Tri Attack is generally a safe attack for pretty much anything, and can 2HKO Swampert / 1-2HKO Scarfed Heracross (which I out speed thanks to timid scarf.) He's a pretty solid pokemon, can hit anything hard with his Tri attack and some decent luck on his afflictions which have won me a few games.

Weavile @ Choice Band
Jolly
Pressure
252 Attack 252 Speed 4 HP
Pursuit
Ice Punch
Brick Break
Night Slash

Weavile is one hell of a pokemon. Power, brutality, and a switch interupt that can OHKO about any thing (out side of defensive pokemon or people who can absorb a dark attack well) With a good prediction Weavile can be a guarenteed safe switch in, and almost a guarenteed OHKO for a pokemon weak to his Dark type prowess. Jolly to out speed a few of it's counters (don't remember exactly who)

Charizard @ Choice Specs
Timid
Blaze
252 Sp. Attack 252 Speed 4 HP
Focus Blast
Dragon Pulse
Flamethrower
Hidden Power (grass)

Ahh the so unexpected charizard of the game. Throw him out and watch your opponents throw out defensive walls just expecting the Bellyzard to go for a nice long sweep. Focus Blast 2HKO's Snorlax, 2-3HKO's Blissey (guarenteed 2HKO if not paralyzed and if you can get that nice sp. def drop) Dragon Pulse for ScarfChomp pull ins, MencePull ins etc. Multitude of things have come in to my charizard. Fthrower is for STAB boost, and HP grass for vaporeon, Swampart switch ins (for those who think he's physical)

Gyarados @ Leftovers
Adament
Intimidate
216 HP / 16 Atk / 176 Def / 100 Spe
Dragon Dance
Waterfall
Stone Edge
EQ

This thing, has literally pulled me out of a 6-2 loss to a 2-0 win. Powerful, after a DD outspeeds most things, and if I get in 2 (hahahahaha). EQ is for Heatran, Metagross, Magnezone. Stone Edge for Heracross, other Gyarados, Zapdos etc. Waterfall for STAB and the flinch hax which have won me a few <3 he's a good powerhouse with nice defensive ability.

Celebi @ Leftovers
Modest
Natural Cure
252 HP / 220 Def / 36 Spe
Leech Seed
Grass Knot
Recover
Hidden Power (Fire)

This thing can absorb a lot of phyical hits. Takes damage nicely and the Seeds are nice for some recovery. HP fire for Forretress switch ins, magnezone, Heracross (2HKO), etc. Grass Knot for Swampart, Gastrodon (I know some one who runs in OU battles xD), Vaporeon, Suicune etc.

Dusknoir @ Leftovers
Adament
Pressure
252 HP / 76 Def / 180 SpD
ThunderPunch
Shadow Sneak
Will-O-Wisp
Pain Split

Tpunch for vaporeons, Milotics, Gyarados. Will-O-Wisp for burn infliction, Shadow Sneak for some STAB damage. Pain Split to heal HP.


I'm considering putting Fthrower on Pory-Z not sure what to take out though. So many different options. I like the spread a lot but it has flaws. Thats why i offer it to you to help :)

no opinions so far? =/ I was hoping for some ideas on improvements xD
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Old June 24th, 2008 (11:50 AM). Edited June 24th, 2008 by Dark Azelf.
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Tyranitar weak REALLY, you also need a spinner as you saw from our match, SR owns your team, i would suggest Hitmontop >>P-Z, who is a Sub Par sweeper.

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252 HP / 74 ATT / 110 DEF / 74 SP.DEF
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Trait : intimidate
- Toxic
- Stone Edge
- Close Combat
- Rapid Spin.

Celebi wants Heal bell aswell >> HP Fire. Needs more Bold nature aswell, although i doubt you can change that..

As for Dusknoir...Meh, more sub par stuff. Its only really good for spin blocking and as you have it , you have no spike support so its not needed imo. You need a SOLID sp.wall in his slot. Blissey should suffice, or Snorlax.Or anything with Draco meteor or other powerful sp.attks is going to HURT. You also wont need its T-Punch as Celebi beats up Gyarados anyways.

Something >> Zard aswell may be best aswell, because as it is now, Zard, Gyara and Vile take MASSIVE SR damage each time they come in, 3 key parts of your team. You could find another sp.sweeper to go there.
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Porygon-Z @ Choice Scarf
Timid
Adaptability
252 Speed 252 Sp. Att 4 HP
- Tri Attack
- Dark Pulse
- Thunderbolt/Hidden Power Fighing
- Ice Beam

Ok Porygon-Z is probably my favorite starter of all. Tri Attack is generally a safe attack for pretty much anything, and can 2HKO Swampert / 1-2HKO Scarfed Heracross (which I out speed thanks to timid scarf.) He's a pretty solid pokemon, can hit anything hard with his Tri attack and some decent luck on his afflictions which have won me a few games.
Adaptability will make that Tri-Attack even stronger.
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Old June 24th, 2008 (12:02 PM).
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Porygon-Z @ Choice Scarf
Timid
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252 Speed 252 Sp. Att 4 HP
- Tri Attack
- Dark Pulse
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt

Ok Porygon-Z is probably my favorite starter of all. Tri Attack is generally a safe attack for pretty much anything, and can 2HKO Swampert / 1-2HKO Scarfed Heracross (which I out speed thanks to timid scarf.) He's a pretty solid pokemon, can hit anything hard with his Tri attack and some decent luck on his afflictions which have won me a few games.

You're weak to the ever-common Bronzong lead. That and Porygon-Z really is not that good...

Weavile @ Choice Band
Jolly
Pressure
252 Attack 252 Speed 4 HP
Pursuit
Ice Punch
Brick Break
Night Slash

Weavile is one hell of a pokemon. Power, brutality, and a switch interupt that can OHKO about any thing (out side of defensive pokemon or people who can absorb a dark attack well) With a good prediction Weavile can be a guarenteed safe switch in, and almost a guarenteed OHKO for a pokemon weak to his Dark type prowess. Jolly to out speed a few of it's counters (don't remember exactly who)

Just don't overestimate this thing, because this description leads me to believe that you are seeing that a lot of stuff walls Weavile.

Charizard @ Choice Specs
Timid
Blaze
252 Sp. Attack 252 Speed 4 HP
Focus Blast
Dragon Pulse
Flamethrower
Hidden Power (grass)

Ahh the so unexpected charizard of the game. Throw him out and watch your opponents throw out defensive walls just expecting the Bellyzard to go for a nice long sweep. Focus Blast 2HKO's Snorlax, 2-3HKO's Blissey (guarenteed 2HKO if not paralyzed and if you can get that nice sp. def drop) Dragon Pulse for ScarfChomp pull ins, MencePull ins etc. Multitude of things have come in to my charizard. Fthrower is for STAB boost, and HP grass for vaporeon, Swampart switch ins (for those who think he's physical)

Needs a rapid spinner for SR seeing as this will have to switch a lot.

Gyarados @ Leftovers
Adament
Intimidate
216 HP / 16 Atk / 176 Def / 100 Spe
Dragon Dance
Waterfall
Stone Edge
EQ

This thing, has literally pulled me out of a 6-2 loss to a 2-0 win. Powerful, after a DD outspeeds most things, and if I get in 2 (hahahahaha). EQ is for Heatran, Metagross, Magnezone. Stone Edge for Heracross, other Gyarados, Zapdos etc. Waterfall for STAB and the flinch hax which have won me a few <3 he's a good powerhouse with nice defensive ability.

Celebi @ Leftovers
Modest
Natural Cure
252 HP / 220 Def / 36 Spe
Leech Seed
Grass Knot
Recover
Hidden Power (Fire)

This thing can absorb a lot of phyical hits. Takes damage nicely and the Seeds are nice for some recovery. HP fire for Forretress switch ins, magnezone, Heracross (2HKO), etc. Grass Knot for Swampart, Gastrodon (I know some one who runs in OU battles xD), Vaporeon, Suicune etc.

Really doubt HP Fire is a 2HKO on Heracross. And who switches Forretress in on Celebi?It can just Subseed it to hell or CM pass on it all day long.

Dusknoir @ Leftovers
Adament
Pressure
252 HP / 76 Def / 180 SpD
ThunderPunch
Shadow Sneak
Will-O-Wisp
Pain Split

Tpunch for vaporeons, Milotics, Gyarados. Will-O-Wisp for burn infliction, Shadow Sneak for some STAB damage. Pain Split to heal HP.

No need for Thunderpunch as Celebi provides Gyarados coverage. Honestly it's an inferior Spiritomb. Its best asset is its ability to block Rapid Spin and your team doesn't even abuse Spikes.

I'm considering putting Fthrower on Pory-Z not sure what to take out though. So many different options. I like the spread a lot but it has flaws. Thats why i offer it to you to help :)

no opinions so far? =/ I was hoping for some ideas on improvements xD
This is going to have a lot of trouble with stall teams. They just set up Spikes and SR while easily combating your sweepers. Then Spikes/SR will easily smash your team to smithereens.

Also you have problems with TTar as Azelf mentioned. Your walling is shaky and unreliable in general. I would replace Dusknoir with Hippowdon or something. It's a reliable physical wall and it beats any physical Tyranitar easily. Resttalk Machamp is also an option. I'd also take out Failigon-Z and put in a reliable special wall to further bolster your weak defenses.

Reading through Azelf's post more I pretty much repeated what he said lol. But yeah, get some more defense.

BTW if you use Hidden Power on Celebi, use HP Ice. It helps a load against Garchomp.
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ok well the team is very tyranitar weak. with some speed boosts from ninjasks your just asking for tyranitar to come in.
You need a spinner Dont use hitmontop=super weak. something more on the defensivie side for a spinner would be good.
Stealth rock is really going to hurt your charizard so watch out for that.
you need something to set up spikes and/or stealth rock ..Skarmory might do well. it'll stop tyranitar(if it doesnt have thunderbolt) then set up spikes and stealth rock.

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Roar
Spikes
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ok well the team is very tyranitar weak. with some speed boosts from ninjasks your just asking for tyranitar to come in.
You need a spinner Dont use hitmontop=super weak. something more on the defensivie side for a spinner would be good.
Stealth rock is really going to hurt your charizard so watch out for that.
you need something to set up spikes and/or stealth rock ..Skarmory might do well. it'll stop tyranitar(if it doesnt have thunderbolt) then set up spikes and stealth rock.

Skarmory
leftovers
Toxic
Roar
Spikes
Stealth rock
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You need a spinner Dont use hitmontop=super weak. something more on the defensivie side for a spinner would be good.

Hitmontop is NOT super weak i suggest you do some research, its actually bulky, although its hp is kinda meh.


What an awesome Skarmory set with no Roost =/.

Skarm also gets 2hko'd by a CB Stone Edge btw and gets owned even more by Taunt DD Versions, its one of the worst things to switch into T-Tar.
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Old June 24th, 2008 (12:12 PM).
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What about a Tentacruel??

Rapid Spin for things, and probably would be a help to Tar no?
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Tyranitar smashed Tentacruel horribly. The onlt reliable TTar counters are those that carry a rock resistance.
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Ok, but what special waller would you suggest to replace failgon-z with?

I thought about using bliss but that puts me in a huge slump vs any fighting type (3 weaknesses) as such Mixape would probably run through me

Oh and as for spin support, would a Sandslash do me any justice?
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Take care of your Tyranitar problem first. Resttalk Machamp is a reliable counter. Hitmontop, Hariyama...they all work.
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Old June 24th, 2008 (12:32 PM).
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Ok I have a Hariyama in box, can't remember the spread i'll test it out
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