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Old June 30th, 2008 (9:20 PM).
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Can you suggest anything a tad faster that can still cover TTar? Bronzong can to a degree... Also, Blissey has be bothering me a lot.

Crobat Bronzong
Alakazam - Life Orb & HP Fire/Grass Knot
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Brick Break Weavile can, but not switching in. Machamp is probably one of the bulkiest Physical Sweepers that can effectively counter T-Tar. Slaking can, but seriously...

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Adamant/Jolly
252 Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP

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Close Combat
Stone Edge / U-Turn
Thunderpunch / U-Turn

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i suggest you make machamp subattacker. ya i know, wtf, but seriously this team really relies on switching and prediction. i have a quiet nature machamp set with dynamic punch/sub/fire blast/stone edge that is a complete monster, but no i wouldn't suggest the same. i think you should just go straight dynapunch/stonedge/icepunch/sub, adamant, about 228 atk, hp and some def. maybe a little more speed if you want it to outrun donphan. but seriously, saying it's your ttar counter when it is a clearly slower than ttar and will most likely result in ttar switching out anyway is silly. machamp like most other fighters can almost always assume a switch of pokemon giving him the freedom to confuse, attack, restore hp or all 3.

this whole idea that pokemon can cover eachother's weaknesses therefore making the strategy safe is sooo wrong to me. i say focus on dismantling everyone else's sense of safety.
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Old July 1st, 2008 (4:32 AM).
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If I can work out a way to counter Blissey, I shoud be ok. *misses crobat*
Any other threats you guys can see?

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Personally, Samson, that sounds more like personaly playing style than a problem in his team. I battle simila..rl..y-whatever-to the way you play, but having pokes cover each others weaknesses also is a different playing style.

If Ttar has to switch out from Machamp, I think its a counter, then.

You put Sub on verything. If it was up to you, the whole team would be sub users :P
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Funnily enough, Alakazam and Gliscor have been doing the least for me lately...
Oh, yeah and I have no real way of dealing with Spiritomb and Dusknoir.
Maybe giving Toxic to P2 would help, as they both rely on Pain Split - They won't be getting rid of Toxic.
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Old July 2nd, 2008 (3:42 AM). Edited July 2nd, 2008 by Samson.
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XD true that is something that concerns battle style but at the root of it, your team build is what limits you from effectively performing. when your team becomes reliant on switching and covering each others weaknesses, you severely reduce the ability to hit hard enough. with monster tanks like bronzong and metagame bullies like garchomp, that's just not going to cut it. there are not many pokes like machamp who have an extremely beneficial ability, moveset and base stats, thus allowing them the ability to stay in with little to no risk.

so if you want to use machamp, do it because he's a good poke who can do more than just counter several major threats. he can counter his counters and get away with it, or at the very least, put opponents in a tight situation.

and lol, i don't put sub on everything. i just put sub on pokes like machamp who are too beautiful to face others... or something like that.

EDIT: deal with those two you say? hmm, sub prevents status and pain split... the only concern then would be that shadow ball from spiritomb would definitely break the sub.

in that case, i think you should really consider bravebird + roost on crobat over hypnosis and airslash. i know fast hypnosis really comes in handy, but holy hell, so does STAB bravebird with a nuetral attack nature (and maybe life orb ^.^). unfortunately, hypnosis crobats are so one-dimensional... there's seriously not much of an added benefit other than safety to using hypnosis when you have taunt and plenty of bulk along with roost. i can only really see air slash coming in handy against angry forretress w/o explosion. giving crobat the ability to finish off blissey/fast ghosts/special sweepers/physical sweepers/nuetral tanks -- now that's good stuff.
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Hypnosis is sort of the reason I am using him. (Curse you Gamefreak for making BB & Hyp illegal...)
Trust me, Taunting Restalker's is funny.

One issue I have with Sub on Machamp is that the Subs can be broken by Seismic Toss.

I am considering outing Alakazam for a Mixed Sweeper or preferably something that can set up.
CM Tomb?
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Mixed Sweeper that destroys the metagame...nope can't think of one. WAIT, YES I CAN! coughDEOXYS-E!!!!cough <- (So it's hard to read and all...)

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Mixed Sweeper that destroys the metagame...nope can't think of one. WAIT, YES I CAN! coughDEOXYS-E!!!!cough <- (So it's hard to read and all...)

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Has everyone neglected the fact that this is testing for a Wifi team?

Stuff it. CM Zong? I have like 3 EV trained bronzongs in my PC, I'm sure one has CM...
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Have you neglected the fact that I am a nice person and could trade you a clone of mine? XD

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Wait, who in the world is going to keep Blissey in to Seismic Toss Machamp? If you suspect it will stay in, kill it ._.
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Wait, who in the world is going to keep Blissey in to Seismic Toss Machamp? If you suspect it will stay in, kill it ._.
Nevermind me, then...

I will probably redo this team bringing Crobat, Machamp and Snorlax with me. I guess I could throw ScarfGar over Crobat, but that doesn't help my D-S problems...

TS, I might take that offer up. Sorry to seem rude in the previous post, but I was tired and really didn't feel up to anything not easily obtainable...
 

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