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Old July 1st, 2008 (6:43 AM). Edited July 1st, 2008 by Glitter Stain.
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Claydol @ Leftovers
Bold Nature; 252 HP 114 Def 144 Spd
~ Calm Mind
~ Earth Power
~ Ice Beam
~ Rest

Calm Mind Claydol. I love the potential, do you?


Jumpluff @ Leftovers
Jolly Nature; 188 Def 68 Sp Def 252 Spd
~ U-Turn/Encore
~ Substitute
~ Sleep Powder
~ Leech Seed

I cannot choose between U-Turn and Encore; can someone help me here?

Kingler @ Life Orb
Jolly Nature; 16 HP 252 Atk 240 Spd
~ Crabhammer
~ X-Scissor
~ Rock Slide/Brick Break
~ Swords Dance

Swords Dance. I am stuck between Rock Slide and Brick Break this time.

Magcargo @ Choice Specs
Modest Nature; 252 HP 252 Sp Atk 4 Spd
~ Fire Blast
~ Earth Power
~ HP Grass
~ Ancientpower

All out sweeping. Not a quick one, but that's some serious power.


Ampharos @ Leftovers
Quiet Nature; 252 Sp Atk 216 Atk 40 HP -or- 252 Sp Atk 252 HP 4 Spd
~ Thunderbolt
~ Focus Punch/Counter
~ Substitute/Signal Beam
~ HP Grass/HP Ice/Counter/Signal Beam

I am unsure about this one. What do you think? Focus Punch with Substitute and Counter with Signal Beam.

Lead: Absol @ Choice Scarf
Jolly Nature; 12 HP 252 Atk 240 Spd
~ Me First/Stone Edge
~ X-Scissor
~ Night Slash
~ Psycho Cut

Absol with Choice Scarf. Cannot decide between Me First and Stone Edge. Me First could easily put an end to Lucario.

Lunatone @ Leftovers
Modest Nature; 220 HP 220 Sp Atk 68 Spd
~ Psychic
~ Hypnosis
~ Ice Beam/HP Rock
~ Calm Mind

Levitate is the best. Takes care of Nidoking and his wife.


Kabutops @ Life Orb
Adamant Nature; 252 Atk 232 Spd 24 HP
~ Swords Dance
~ Waterfall/Aqua Jet
~ Brick Break/X-Scissor
~ Stone Edge

Need I say more?

Camerupt @ Leftovers
Modest Nature; 228 HP 72 Sp Atk 208 Sp Def
~ Yawn/Toxic/Explosion
~ Stealth Rock
~ Flamethrower/Lava Plume
~ Earth Power

Support Camerupt with some power.

Steelix @ Leftovers
Impish Nature; 252 HP 120 Atk 136 Sp Def
~ Stealth Rock
~ Earthquake
~ Toxic/Stone Edge/Explosion
~ Toxic/Stone Edge/Explosion

The public demanded a wall.
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I can see a major Nidoking problem here. No one can safely switch in & wipe it out. Absol can revenge kill it, if that's the case, but Sucker Punch hurts even that.

In fact, you don't have a single wall. Don't try to pit this against OU teams, as Lucario will be the least of your worries there.
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Don't try to pit this against OU teams, as Lucario will be the least of your worries there.
That is why I labeled it a UU team. I don't plan on going up against OUs or BLs with this team.
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I think Muk should be in that team somwhere maybe intead of macargo it has FAR to many weaknesses. Curse muk is actualy really really good.
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You have no way of taking status, which is one of the most common things in UU. I would advise you to use Kabutops instead of Kingler, as Swords Dance + Aqua Jet can be very useful, and you need a priority attack somewhere. My 2nd advice is dropping Magcargo for Camerupt, specs or restalk set. Make Absol your lead. Encore over U-turn on Jumpluff.

Also, I personally am not fond of Claydol at all. Solrock may be better to counter Kangaskhan and take normal hits with ease.
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You have no way of taking status, which is one of the most common things in UU. I would advise you to use Kabutops instead of Kingler, as Swords Dance + Aqua Jet can be very useful, and you need a priority attack somewhere. My 2nd advice is dropping Magcargo for Camerupt, specs or restalk set. Make Absol your lead. Encore over U-turn on Jumpluff.

Also, I personally am not fond of Claydol at all. Solrock may be better to counter Kangaskhan and take normal hits with ease.
I will probably replace Claydol and Magcargo, and possibly Kingler. I am not entirely sure about Kabutops or Kingler, as they both are flawed in certain areas. I will probably choose Kabutop's speed over Kingler's stats.
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Absol with Choice Scarf. Cannot decide between Me First and Stone Edge. Me First could easily put an end to Lucario.
This got me thinking that you are planning on fighting OU. Lucario will never be seen in UU, so having Me First is moot. Way to look at my post & ignore the helpful advice.

No matter, you still have no real walls who can handle NidoKing, a prime force in UU. Tough in OU, too.

Plus those problems Syaoran said.

You said that you were replacing Macargo. That's good, as I don't see what he & Amparos acomplishes together. Solorock also won't stop NidoKing at all either.
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I edited my team according to suggestions. How is it now?
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Not so hot. Remember, Nidoking has both Sucker Punch & Megahorn, both moves which ends Lunatone. Plus, Lunatone has piss poor defence.You need a true, blue,wall.

Pinsir also hurts. In fact, any physical sweeper can do a number.
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Not so hot. Remember, Nidoking has both Sucker Punch & Megahorn, both moves which ends Lunatone. Plus, Lunatone has piss poor defence.You need a true, blue,wall.

Pinsir also hurts. In fact, any physical sweeper can do a number.
I added Steelix which I feel should be able to defend against most major physical sweepers in the UU metagame.
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Isn't Steelix BL? If so I don't think he can go in UU.
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Isn't Steelix BL? If so I don't think he can go in UU.
According to Smogon, he is UU.
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Earthquake & Close Combat can hurt it, so give it a bit of backup. But yeah, it should definately help.
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Okay, I'll take your word for it, though I'm not sure he needs Toxic. Explosion is basically a must on Steelix. You could also get rid of Stone Edge for Gyro ball for good STAB that takes advantage of his poor Speed. If you use Gyro Ball, make him Relaxed instead of Impish.
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Like hell it is! With his physical problems, he needs to keep it. I wouldsuggest Rest, but that's up to him.
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Like hell it is! With his physical problems, he needs to keep it. I wouldsuggest Rest, but that's up to him.
It is up to Steelix?

Do I need to replace any of my other Pokemon?
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Nah, I meant up to you.

The computer screen is hurting my eyes, so it's time for a break. Be back to help moar in an hour.

But just a suggestion, Raichu is basically a faster, slightly weaker ampharos. However, Chu makes up for that with Nasty Plot. In fact, I use one in OU.
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How is Steelix is a good suggestion when 5 of 6 pokemon can't take an Earthquake? Solrock can cripple stuff with Will-O-Wisp and hit Nidoking with EQ too.
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Despite the weakness, Steelix can take an EQ.
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He can't switch in to it... which defeats the purpose of a 'counter'.
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How is Steelix is a good suggestion when 5 of 6 pokemon can't take an Earthquake? Solrock can cripple stuff with Will-O-Wisp and hit Nidoking with EQ too.
Which Pokemon ought I replace to make room for Solrock?
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What? Yes, he can. Solrock is slower, and can't switch into any of Nidoking's attacks except CB Earthquake. It can't surive any of Nido's attacks, and it won't be threatening a switch. It won't be hitting anyone back with EQ after it gets hit with a Sucker Punch. If your relying on out-predicting it with Solrock, good luck. Plus, Mega Horn takes it out fast.

Solrock is no Nidoking counter, unless you switch into CB EQ, even then, it's no counter. Steelix helps wall alot more, and can take an EQ or two. Plus, it can take Nido out with his out with it's STAB EQ, since it survives.

Of course, Steelix needs some sort of backup.
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The only way for Steelix to kill Nidoking is to sacrifice one of his other team members.. Steelix CANNOT switch in on Earthquake, which most of his team is weak to, as it will get easily 2HKO'd.

Running some calcs, Megahorn doesn't OHKO standard Solrock even if SR is on the field. Sucker Punch can't even 2HKO, thanks to Leftovers. Earthquake will dent Nidoking, and along with Life Orb recoil Nidoking won't like it.

Special Nidoking might even be more threatening, but Nido is one of these pokes that don't have a true counter until you find out his set and over-predict him.
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Megahorn is an easy 2HKO on Solrock. The only thing it can switch into is an EQ, and even then, it gets wiped outpretty easily through a combination of Megahorn & Sucker Punch. And Ice Beam. That poke can wipe most others on this team, and he hasn't an effecient way of dealing with it. WoW is unreliable, and since EQ can't OHKO, he has problems.

Not that I doubt the prowess of Solrock, but I feel it isn't good enough a wall. As I said, Steelix isn't the only problem here. Pinsir will wipe his team out with Mold Breaker, Primape causes problems, he needs better walling.

Steelix can indeed come into a LO Nido's set, and imediately threaten with an EQ. I didn't notice how many pokes were weak to EQ, though, so he's out as well.
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