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Old July 6th, 2008 (7:29 AM). Edited July 10th, 2008 by Outlawed.
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After seeing D_A's tank style team. I had this idea, which is basically a team that is mostly tanks, each one of these pokemon can take hits with awesomeness and live through multiple hard hits and still live and talk about it.

Gyarados
Porygon 2
Gliscor
Snorlax
Metagross
Muk

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Gyarados @ Leftovers
Adamant
Trait: Intimidate
216 HP / 16 Atk / 132 Def / 144 Spe
~ Dragon Dance
~ Taunt
~ Waterfall
~ Stone Edge

This is thing is an amazing lead, and people build other counter-leads just for this. This doesn't bother me, because I can comfortably switch on most things and still laugh at what they do with the other Pokemon. Pokemon slower than this raging menace who usually want to set rocks or play something funny get Taunted, forced to switch and I get some Dances. I hate you HP Electric/Charge Beam Zong.


Porygon 2 @ Leftovers
252 HP / 68 Def / 80 SpA / 108 SpD
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Trait: Trace
~ Discharge
~ Ice Beam
~ Toxic/Energy Ball
~ Recover

Yet another bulky-as-hell pokemon. Try to set Gyara or Mence on this and you are screwed :-D This is my special Tank I kind of need energy ball there, willingly giving away Toxic, because Mixpert really rapes me in all areas mostly.


Gliscor @ Life Orb/Yache Berry
252 HP / 68 Atk / 188 Def
Impish
Trait: Hyper Cutter
~ Ice Fang
~ Earthquake
~ Stealth Rock
~ Roost

This thing works, can still take sold hits and live to talk about it, and with Life Orb does good damage against alot of things, OHKO dragons for the first part. Also, Yache Berry surprises already Weavile when I actually stay in on it's Ice Punch/Shard and hit it back with Earthquake. I could make this a SD Gliscor, but I really cant' afford to try and set up with this because I need stealth rock to hit things so that the tanks hit and kill smoother.


Snoralx @ Leftovers
Careful
Trait: Thick Fat
??? need a nice mix with Good Atk, and HP since I'll be pumping up my defenses.
~ Rest
~ Stockpile
~ Crunch/Earthquake
~ Body Slam

This is my custom made Snorlax. Some people may see it as another normal spread, but that thing has a stable 500 HP and tops BLissey's both defenses. It carries 200 Def points and a whopping 341 SpD. This makes it take Ice Beams Like No Other. As for the Sleep Talkness, I kinda needed a status absorber here, and as Anti Pop pointed out "Basically Curselax is outdated and sucks" so yeah lol. Main reason I took out though was that I had Cursing Muk > Cursing Lax 'cause it's just hotter lol. No one sees these things in OU IRL competitive play.


Metagross @ Shed Shell
Adamant
Trait: Clear Body
176 HP / 252 Atk / 80 Def
~ Bullet Punch
~ Earthquake
~ Hammer Arm
~ Meteor Mash

Ok, this is a real life team. So Thuner Punch seems aloof to me sadly. I don't want this to be agili-Gross, please, this does it better. It's a better tank, I swear this has devistated opponents so badly, Weavile doesn't even stand a chance, and Hammer Arm after an attack boost form it If I get lucky takes Zong 2-3HKO who cant touch me at all. As for Magnezone I can't have it come in and hit me with HP Fire, I just can't. IMO this is the best Weavile Counter in this game.


Muk @ Black Sludge
Careful
Trait: Sticky Hold
252 HP / 80 Def / 176 SpD
~ Poison Jab
~ Curse
~ Fire Punch
~ Explosion

Yummi :-D This Pokemon is absolute wonder IRL battling, it does things that no other poke can do, you can't even think of a better way to just annoy your opponent (other than 4/4 Hypnosis from Yanmega). I'm not taking my chances with Gunk Shot because I do not want to miss a single thing since i'm really slow :) Fire Punch makes sure Bronzong doesn't become a big of a threat as Mixpert, but when it has earthquake, it will be a bit difficult to get rid of, but chances are it will show up after a curse or two. This Pokemon is UU after all and people don't expect it much.


Final things to add:
Mixpert is my major weakness I know ... every team has a weakness
Also this team is for real, so I don't have the easy choice of HP and it would take too much breeding and I simply can't be bothered to sit there and waste the summer breeding lol.
Comments would be much appreciated. I also would like some help on a better Snorlax set, I want something hard but that can hit more, kinda hesitant with it. Also some advice on the items would help.

Also Swampert is a choice to add instead of Gyara with this set

Swampert @ Zoom Lense
Relaxed
Trait: Torrent
212 Hp / 196 Def / 88 SpA
~ Stealth Rock
~ Earthquake
~ Hydro Pump or Blizzard
~ Muddy Water or Ice Beam

I am more than willing to put more into special attack to make this set even better at giving hits. Hydro Pump with Zoom Lense will give me a bigger chance to kill Skarmory with 2 hits. Hopefully it would start laying Spikes or Rocks on me while I kill it and then bring out Gliscor for the Defog action. Muddy Water with Zoom Lense gives me a STAB 95 base move with 94 accuracy. I'll take it. This sets up things and is quite bulky giving me the special support my team needs as Gofre pointed out.
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Old July 6th, 2008 (2:03 PM).
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Don't use Curse on Snorlax unless you want to lose :( Basically Curselax is outdated and sucks. Use LEftovers too...Lum is trash on Snorlax.

Gyarados set gets walled hard. Use Stone Edge over Earthquake for better coverage. That set won't be sweeping anything.

A Mamoswine weakness is present, though it's a pretty common weakness on teams.
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Don't use Curse on Snorlax unless you want to lose :( Basically Curselax is outdated and sucks. Use LEftovers too...Lum is trash on Snorlax.

Gyarados set gets walled hard. Use Stone Edge over Earthquake for better coverage. That set won't be sweeping anything.

A Mamoswine weakness is present, though it's a pretty common weakness on teams.
As for Snorlax, can you please suggest another set that works here, I'm kinda hesitant about it.

Fixes will be made on Gyarados, and when you say set, you mean the EV spread or the moves?
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As for Snorlax, can you please suggest another set that works here, I'm kinda hesitant about it.


Fixes will be made on Gyarados, and when you say set, you mean the EV spread or the moves?
Rest Talk Snorlax works best this gen, but I'm not sure on the EV Spread It's moveset is Body Slam/Rest/Sleep Talk/Earthquake, Crunch, or Fire Blast @ Leftovers. Obviously use Sassy if you're using Fire Blast...
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Rest Talk Snorlax works best this gen, but I'm not sure on the EV Spread It's moveset is Body Slam/Rest/Sleep Talk/Earthquake, Crunch, or Fire Blast @ Leftovers. Obviously use Sassy if you're using Fire Blast...
Fire Blast maybe a good Alternative to Fire Punch on my Muk, which is kinda impossible for me to get in real life lol. I have to breed egg move and get tutored in Emerald, which I do not own. Anyone else please give me an ev spread on Snorlax, cause I really don't think the Smogon one is that affective.
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Just use 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SDef @ Careful on Snorlax.

I honestly don't know why Fire Blast is even an option. "Skarmory?" lol no, Skarmory's usage is down and it can just Roost them off anyways. Besides, countering stuff like Mismagius/Gengar/Azelf with Crunch or Heatran with Earthquake is a lot more useful.

As for Gyarados, I don't really have a problem with Bulkydos, the type combo just has awful coverage. Just use Stone edge >>> Earthquake...that's all you really need to change.
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Alright, gotchya on Gyara, I really do prefer Bulky-Dos more cause if it happens that I get my DD's on, it just dominates.
As for the Snorlax I did some work myself and came up with this set:

Snoralx @ Leftovers
Careful
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156 Hp / 126 Def / 216 SpD
~ Rest
~ Sleep Talk
~ Crunch
~ Body Slam

So what does this do?
Status absorber for one, second it takes hits almost better than Blissey, toppin the Blob in def and in SpD in that set making only inferior in HP. This Snorlax has 500 HP, so that's not bad at all.
I can always put Def EV's in Atk, but that's kinda risky with the Rest Going on, I need to take Dusknoirs attempts to hit me while i'm asleep lol

Fixes have been made, please check it out and talk to me again
Note: I've managed to get that Grimer =D so now I have a Grimer, Careful nature with the move Fire Punch AND Curse with great IV's.
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Old July 7th, 2008 (6:49 AM). Edited July 7th, 2008 by Dark Azelf.
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216 HP / 16 Atk / 176 Def / 100 Spe

I hate that spread On Gyara ^^. 216 HP / 16 ATT / 132 DEF / 144 SPEED = WAY better, as you can now outspeed Gengar after a DD. With your current spread you get a speed tie with garchomp after a DD OLOL.
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The good thing about this, is that I have a Gyarados that's made for a speedier set, thanks to Dark Azelf.
I'll try that set and if I can take on Gengar after 1 DD why not.
thanks for your help.
Fixes done, now that looks nice don't it lol.
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I for one am very worried that P2 is your entire special offensive. Once it goes down many competant physical walls will screw you over.
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Hmm. Very True. I think that will make me more aware then as not to waste Porygon2 just like that and try to keep him alive. Physical walls maybe a problem to me, but my own tanks can take hits and hit back hard. Hopefully I can manage in battle and just keep an eye out for things and try to keep porygon2 alive enough to kill threats it needs to kill.
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While your tanks can indeed hit hard, they arent going to like getting into stall wars with something they can barely scratch. I seriously recommend investing in a special-orientated attacker, Perhaps a mixpert or celebi. That way you arent reliant on a single poke, meaning you can be a bit more agressive. Being dependant on a single special attack will lead to a lotta switches, and without a rapid spinner (Something else you're lacking) entry hazards will soon rack up.
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Old July 7th, 2008 (10:45 AM). Edited July 7th, 2008 by Outlawed.
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I got an idea to solve this without changing much.
As for Gyara, he can go for Mixpert, I never was an expert on mixpert so if someone could muster up something that's more defensive than offensive. Relying on Hydro Pump over Surf maybe a solution to letting some special points go to defenses or HP.
Further more, Rapid Spin. Defog. Defog on Gliscor instead of Stealth Rock would allow me to "spin" away obstacles and hence no ghost can block my attempts. Taunt will cause issues, but no one expects Gliscor to "spin" now do they.
So Gyara is to be dropped for Mixpert, someone please suggest a set. Thanks.

EDIT: I've been thinking about a set, this is what I got, something I like to call IcePert it's something new and tough as hell, but needs some luck, i'm willing to take the chances.

Swampert @ Zoom Lense
Relaxed
212 Hp / 196 Def / 88 SpA
~ Stealth Rock
~ Earthquake
~ Muddy Water
~ Blizzard

This is teh blast. Tested it on Shoddy, it so owns things. Blizzard has big power, and Muddy water with Zoom Lense is stronger than Surf.
What I could do, is switch Ice Beam for Blizzard, and get the STAB power Hydro Pump provides. but I need opinion.
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I thought Muddy Water was a Ground-type move (correct me if I'm wrong). If it is, isn't it a little redundant to have both it and Earthquake on the same set?
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I thought Muddy Water was a Ground-type move (correct me if I'm wrong). If it is, isn't it a little redundant to have both it and Earthquake on the same set?
Nope, it's Water type. http://www.serebii.net/attackdex-dp/muddywater.shtml It's accuracy isn't impressive compared to Surf though.
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Snorlax needs all of the help in special defense it can get...seriously all of the help. Take out most if not all of the defense EVs and put them into HP and SDef. Snorlax needs literally every point it can get.
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Snorlax needs all of the help in special defense it can get...seriously all of the help. Take out most if not all of the defense EVs and put them into HP and SDef. Snorlax needs literally every point it can get.
The standard spread for that moveset is:
244 HP / 28 Def / 236 SpD
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I don't see why people don't just go 252/252. Snorlax won't be taking many physical hits, the only option is to have enough to surivive two Superpowers from Deoxys.

Does Muk really help? I would be inclined to replace it with a Special Sweeper.
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Ok guys, I've been on this team a While. first to answer the snorlax problem.
Check this out:
Snorlax @ Leftovers/ <insert wake-up-berry>
156 Hp / 126 Def / 216 SpD
~ Stockpile
~ Rest
~ Body Slam
~ Crunch

Stockpile has been playing better than rest-talk and curse, really, there aren't any risks to playing it and the only downside is that you can do a max of three. I doubt Snorlax stays out that long before I realize I need to actually hit them or I need to spin with the newest addition to this team, Buky Starmie.
Standard Spinner Starmie @ Timid would do well here I suppose, it will spin and since defog = major FAIL I'm going to have to put the rocks back on Gliscor and have Starmie spin around a bit.
<copy paste smogong set here>

As for Muk, it is the reason I made this team because of it's devestating versatility after just one curse. After one Curse Muk has these stats:
constant HP @ 414
Atk @ 369
Def @ 309
constant SpD @ 308

Just knowing that is enough to keep him. His main reason there is to counter fighters along side Gliscor because of my 2 fight weaknesses. Most importantly, surprise factor. No one expects these things these days, now they will and they should because it's tough.
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I'm a big fan of the surprise factor, but I second Archer's advice. I think Gengar will help play the roll you're hoping for, negates a fighting blast, and outspeeds most of the fighters and with Gengar around you have a nice arsenal or Special attack volleys you could dish out.

You could use something standard:

Gengar @Life Orb/Black Sludge
EVs: 6 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Nature: Modest/Timid
-Shadow Ball
-Thunderbolt
-Hypnosis
-Focus Blast

Or, if you really want to keep the surprise factor around, you my favor this setup more:

Gengar @Choice Specs/Choice Scarf
EVs: 6 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Nature: Hasty
-Shadow Ball
-Thunderbolt
-Explosion/Energy Ball/HP Ice
(But sounds like you prefer to avoid it.)
-Focus Punch/Focus Blast/Hypnosis

What is underlined are what I incline towards for your team.
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I'm adding starmie for special arsenal. I really think that taking out Muk would strip this team of it's tankyness. I'll end up with walls and sweepers again. I don't want that, not the idea of this team.
I think this works:
Starmie
Porygon 2
Snorlax
Metagross
Muk
Gliscor

Special hitting is weakend here I understand that, but I really don't want Muk out :\
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Ya, it's understandable. Adds in that extra fun to the mix up having attachment/preference to the members.
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Ya, it's understandable. Adds in that extra fun to the mix up having attachment/preference to the members.
Exactly :p
I built this team around Muk <3
Anyway, I think Porygon should be able to do his special duties with some smart switch ins and tactics, as for Starmie i'm working on it now and it should support well, better than the Mixpert. Will update later, stay tuned.
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