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Old July 8th, 2008 (6:07 PM). Edited July 11th, 2008 by 00cnr.
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Well my friend and I designed a Hail team and saw some success and some failures with it on Shoddy and we want to know how to improve the team. So, here is our team:

Abomasnow (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Snow Warning
EVs: 252 HP/76 Spd/20 SAtk/160 SDef
Sassy nature (+SDef, -Spd)
- Blizzard
- Leech Seed
- Wood Hammer
- Protect
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Walrein (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Ice Body
EVs: 252 HP/128 Def/128 SDef
Relaxed nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Avalanche
- Curse
- Earthquake
- Roar
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Gengar (M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Focus Blast
- Shadow Ball
- Thunderbolt
- Hypnosis
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Weavile (M) @ Choice Band
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 6 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Brick Break
- Ice Punch
- Night Slash
- Pursuit
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Regice @ Leftovers
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/6 SDef
Careful nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Avalanche
- Curse
- Earthquake
- Thunderbolt
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Gyarados (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 216 HP/16 Atk/176 Def/100 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Taunt
- Waterfall
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Old July 9th, 2008 (5:34 AM).
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When making a weather team. ALL YOUR POKEMON DO NOT HAVE TO be immune to the said weather you are trying to base your team around, 3 at the most, add some versatility or your just going to be metagame weak.
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Old July 9th, 2008 (7:15 AM).
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Meh. No Hyper Beam or any "clones" of it pretty much in competitive battling. It sucks TBH, you have to recharge, and they could switch to something. :|
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Old July 9th, 2008 (9:34 AM).
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Your team is constructed pretty poorly, I'm sorry to say. For one, why Froslass? I'd remove that for maybe Jynx or Mamoswine, just not Froslass.

As said above you'd be stomped in Metagame. It doesn't matter if you are ready for anything, all it really takes is a good physical sweeper or anything that can dish fire punch, or a Special sweeper like Gengar with HP (Fire).
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Old July 9th, 2008 (11:07 AM).
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I replaced the useless Frosslass with a BulkyGyra build to tank fire hits. Glaceon was replaced with Mamoswine but it may too also be replaced by something to resist fighting.
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Old July 9th, 2008 (11:39 AM).
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I replaced the useless Frosslass with a BulkyGyra build to tank fire hits. Glaceon was replaced with Mamoswine but it may too also be replaced by something to resist fighting.
BulkyGyara taking fire hits? hmmm i doesnt need to be bulky to take fire hits
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Old July 9th, 2008 (11:49 AM).
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Your team is constructed pretty poorly, I'm sorry to say. For one, why Froslass? I'd remove that for maybe Jynx or Mamoswine, just not Froslass.
Actually frosglass is an excellent choice on hail teams, it is immune to fighting (Which still rapes this team btw) and snow cloak ups its evasion in a none-hax way (Unlike bright powder, which is banned). I would say frosglass>>> Glaceon and keep Bulky Gyara. Regice should be [email protected]/252Def/6SpDef, it has an immense SpDef stat already (Assuming perfect IVs it should still be well over 450). You should also have T-Punch or possibly Counter over amnesia, since two stat-up moves is just asking for a PHazer to make half of your moveset useless. Just curse will do, it's SpDef is so good it doesnt need boosting.

Bulky Aboma runs [email protected]/20SpAtt/160SpDef/76Spd. EVs mean blizzard will 2HKO skarm and weezing. Substitute>>>Protect too, Protect is a garbage move tbh.

Cursing walrein wants [email protected]/252SpDef/6SpDef since you have curse to boost your regular defence.

Choice Scarf Weavile is garbage, it's really fast already. Jolly CB weavile please:

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Jolly
40HP/252Att/252Spd
Night Slash
Brick Break
Ice Punch/Ice Shard
Pursuit

By the way I'd edit your first post so we can see which amendments have been made.
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Old July 9th, 2008 (4:56 PM).
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Hmm. I was making a Hail Team not that long ago. It was similar to yours at the start but this is what I ended up with at the end of it all:
Abomasnow @ Leftovers
Timid (6Atk/252SpAtk/252Spd)
Substitute
Grass Knot
Blizzard
Focus Punch

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Adamant <252Atk/240Spd/16HP>
Dragon Claw
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Fire Blast
Life Orb over Choice Items here. Not much more to say about this set. FB is for better coverage.

Tentacruel @ Leftovers
Calm Nature <204HP/96SpAtk/172SpDef/36 Spd>
Surf
Blizzard
Toxic Spikes
Rapid Spin
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Timid
<160HP/132SpAtk/216Spd>
T-Bolt
Recover
Rapid Spin
Surf
Either of the two. Tentacruel more of a MixApe counter than Starmie but Starmie is an awesome spinner IMO.

Snorlax @ Leftovers:Immunity
Careful/Calm <244HP/28Def/236SpDef>
Sleep Talk
Rest
Body Slam
Crunch

Gliscor @ Leftovers
Impish <252HP/6Atk/252Def>
Earthquake
Aerial Ace/Ice Fang
Stealth Rock/Taunt/Stone Edge
Roost

Walrein @ Leftovers:Ice Body
Bold <252HP/252Defense/6Sp. Def>
Protect/EQ
Substitute
Toxic
Blizzard
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Old July 10th, 2008 (7:37 PM).
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Update: I've changed the EVs for a few of the teammates with Gofre's advice and switched Mamoswine with Gengar to deal with fighting types, thus giving me a good switch for Close Combat and Focus Blast which could easily destroy most of my team. When I get some more time I'll update the first post with the current team and moveset.
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Old July 10th, 2008 (8:05 PM).
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Run Ice Beam + Thunderbolt or Seismic Toss on Regice. And use the Rest-Talk set:

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Calm or Bold
252 HP/252 Def/4 SpD or 252 HP/252 SpD/4 Def
Ice Beam
Thunderbolt/Seismic Toss
Rest
Sleep Talk

Status absorber and works much better than that set. Go with Bold if you're using the second EV Spread and Calm with the first or just slap Calm on the second EV spread and make it almost impossible to OHKO with special moves.
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Old July 11th, 2008 (1:56 PM).
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I updated the current team in the first post.
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Old July 11th, 2008 (5:22 PM).
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Mamoswine would be great in there maybe take out gengar for mamo.
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Old July 11th, 2008 (5:52 PM).
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I like Gengar for his immunity to the fighting threat. I've looked into a Mamoswine, but with so many physical sweepers, I don't think that a Mamoswine will fit into my team. Gengar also serves as a special sweeper so I don't get walled by physical tanks.
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Old July 11th, 2008 (6:04 PM).
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I don't really know what to say so I am gonna say this. It doesn't look THAT good but it doesn't look THAT bad.
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Old July 11th, 2008 (6:07 PM).
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You need a Rock resistance. 5/6 of your team is weak to Rock type attacks and the other one is neutral to rock and won't be lasting long. I recommend a Machamp, which counters T-Tar as well:

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Adamant or Impish
No Guard
Dynamicpunch
Ice Punch
Rest
Sleep Talk
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Old July 11th, 2008 (6:22 PM).
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1 recommendation on your Gengar: Since its goin to be pelted by hail every turn, I would run a Black Sludge on it. Also, Focus Blast is gonna be very innacurate, I would put HP fighting over it.
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Old July 11th, 2008 (6:31 PM).
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try this set on Tauntdos same attack but faster i think...

jolly
Ev: 216 hp, 52 att, 176 def, 66 spe

i like it a bit more
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