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Old July 18th, 2008 (6:48 AM).
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wow, i certainly have missed a lot. Thanx for all the suggestions. I'ma go ahead and go with the followin set:
Gardevoir @Leftovers
Calm Nature
Synchronize
252 HP., 212 Sp. Def., 44 Sp. Attk.

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Thunderbolt
Hypnosis
Wish

I would havegone with wow, but some trainers would expect that, and switch to a poke with a guts/facade combo.


I honestly think Will-o-wisp is a must, or Reflect, or its just inviving stuff in to Pursuit you, also most people will pick on its poor def, so it helps in that aspect.

Trace always >> Synchronize, its more useful, as it allows to to wall heatran, Electivire and Intimidate stuff right back.

Anyways, dont most things with Guts die to psychic anyways ? So you can use some prediction an Psychic them as they switch in. Facade and Guts is rarely seen regardless.
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Old July 18th, 2008 (12:18 PM). Edited July 20th, 2008 by Dark Azelf.
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Thanks for the help. I switched Hypnosis to Reflect. Is there any other pokemon i need work on?

I just realized my team is in bad need of a special wall. I was gonna replace one for swampert. Are here any special walls out there that can also serve as Phazers?
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I honestly don't know why Snorlax was replaced, as Gardevoir is the inferior special wall. MixApe isn't a good enough reason to leave your team open to most major special threats (Gengar...) that easily. Togekiss is bulky enough to stand up to most MixApe (although I must ask where Roost is, as it is so vital on NP Togekiss).

I would go with this:

Snorlax @ Leftovers
Trait: Thick Fat
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Body Slam
- Crunch

I would use Crunch rather than Earthquake here to beat Gengar and Mismagius.

BTW on Togekiss, it doesn't need that much speed, especially if you're using it with Thunder wave (though Roost should go over that).
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I honestly don't know why Snorlax was replaced, as Gardevoir is the inferior special wall. MixApe isn't a good enough reason to leave your team open to most major special threats (Gengar...) that easily. Togekiss is bulky enough to stand up to most MixApe (although I must ask where Roost is, as it is so vital on NP Togekiss).

I would go with this:

Snorlax @ Leftovers
Trait: Thick Fat
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Body Slam
- Crunch

I would use Crunch rather than Earthquake here to beat Gengar and Mismagius.

BTW on Togekiss, it doesn't need that much speed, especially if you're using it with Thunder wave (though Roost should go over that).
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However, if one wishes Togekiss to stand up to mixape, use FlinchhaxKiss, aka "Togebliss"

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252 HP / 252 SP.DEF / 6 DEF
Calm Nature
Trait : Serene Grace
- Air Slash
- Thunderwave
- Roost
- Aura Sphere

Anyways, this survives a Nasty Plot Life Orb Fire Blast from mixape and is one of the best Mixmence counters in existence (Yes, it can survive 2 consecutive Draco meteors, even from specs mence lol). And all those things that run 269 sp.att for chomp ? Well, this can survive 4/5 of T-Bolts/Ice beams from stuff in that area of attacking power lol. Just an insight of how hard this thing can take special hits.
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I replaced snorlax so hat i could put a counter for Mixape, cuz Mixape with HP Ice machine guns my team down.
I'll go with D_A's Flinchhax, pretty much like my moveset, but without any boosts.
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Gengar is a lot more common than Mixape =/ Like D_A said, Togekiss will beat MixApe, and with SR down it can still beat most of the. I'd much rather be MixApe weak than weak to practically every special attacker in the game.
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Gengar is a lot more common than Mixape =/ Like D_A said, Togekiss will beat MixApe, and with SR down it can still beat most of the. I'd much rather be MixApe weak than weak to practically every special attacker in the game.
Yep, the idea i said to use that version of togekiss was so it could be used in conjunction with Snorlax to beat ape, so gardy wouldnt be needed.
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If i replaced Snorlax with Gardevoir, what version should I use? I don't like resttalk version, and curselax(as ppl have said in htis thread) is no good for this team.
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If i replaced Snorlax with Gardevoir, what version should I use? I don't like resttalk version, and curselax(as ppl have said in htis thread) is no good for this team.
Resttalker. Regardless of whether or not you like resttalkers, ResttalkLax is the only version that can effectively wall special attackers. I posted the set earlier.

If you really have your heart set on not using Resttalk Lax, then use an alternative such as Blissey.
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I've found 2 different options for special walls.

Blissey @Leftovers
Calm Nature
Natural Cure
40HP/ 252 Def/ 216 Sp. Def.

Seismic Toss
Thunderwave
Aromatherapy
Softboiled

or

Regice @Leftovers
Calm Nature
252 Def., 4 spd., 252 HP

Ice Beam
Rest
Seismic Toss
Sleep Talk

I like RestTalk Ice over RestTalk Lax because Lax can't use S-Toss from wat i know. S-Toss is vital for me on a wall.


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I've found 2 different options for special walls.

Blissey @Leftovers
Calm Nature
Natural Cure
40HP/ 252 Def/ 216 Sp. Def.

Seismic Toss
Thunderwave
Aromatherapy
Softboiled

or

Regice @Leftovers
Calm Nature
252 Def., 4 spd., 252 HP

Ice Beam
Rest
Seismic Toss
Sleep Talk

I like RestTalk Ice over RestTalk Lax because Lax can't use S-Toss from wat i know. S-Toss is vital for me on a wall.

Well Regice isn't a great choice considering it is weak to the ever-common Stealth Rock.

I must say though, not relying on Seismic Toss doesn't make a wall worse. Snorlax isn't offensively retarded like Blissey is - he has 110 base attack. STAB Body Slams coming off of it plus the chance of paralysis is a lot better than Seismic Toss, where anything that can generatate 101 subs and can CM basically wins. In case you're wondering, Snorlax actually does get Seismic Toss - it's just a bad option on him because he has better options, such as Body Slam, Crunch, and Earthquake. Now if you don't want to use Snorlax, fine, but "not having Seismic Toss" is pretty much a terrible reason not to use Snorlax or any other wall for that matter.

The Blissey set is fine in the event that you use that, but wow...having to use Seismic Toss to deal damage is almost a disadvantage...
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Old July 21st, 2008 (8:09 AM). Edited July 21st, 2008 by Skip Shot.
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Good point on both Lax and Bliss. I'm probably gonan go with Lax becuase it has a better chance of surviving a physical attack than Bliss.

Snorlax @Leftovers
Careful Nature
Thick Fat
244 HP/28 Def/236 Sp. Def.

Crunch
Rest
Sleep Talk
Body Slam

I rlly don't like Resttalk Lax, but as Anti has said, Resttalk is the only efficient Lax that can wall well enough.
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