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Old July 19th, 2008 (11:28 AM).
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Gyarados @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk/172 Spd/84 SDef
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Aqua Tail
- Dragon Dance
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake
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The Defender offensive Gyarados beats a lot of leads easily, and also serves as an endgame sweeper. Anything this thing can't kill Azelf will own easily. And 4x Grass immunity lets me come in on Celebi and dance up.
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Moltres @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP/98 Def/160 SDef
Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Air Slash
- Will-o-wisp
- Roost
- Toxic
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The team was built around this guy. This Moltres beats any Crescelia that uses Moonlight over Rest amd beats Bliss at endgame, and with the EV spread I have, takes 3HKO from Milotic's STAB Surf. Because of this, Moltres, if there is no SR out, can actually counter Milotic. And everyone just thinks I'm a moron until their Milotics take four rounds of Toxic damage and I'm not dead yet, then they realize they have no counter for this.
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Donphan @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 200 HP/88 Atk/222 Def
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Rapid Spin
- Ice Shard
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
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This is my Scarfchomp counter and spinner. It lays SR for me so that Moltres can deal extra damage with WoW/Toxic by forcing switches. Ice Shard kills Reversalers and dragons, and EQ is for general damage. It also spins off the SR that hurts Moltres so bad.
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Azelf @ Expert Belt
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Psychic
- Nasty Plot
- Flamethrower
- Thunderbolt
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Azelf is a special sweeper with Nasty Plot. I dislike Explosion on it because I have so many other ways of beating Blissey. Pert, Celebi, Gyara, and even Moltres have ways of forcing a switch back out. Also Bliss doesn't even like taking Schemed Psychics for too long. I have three attacks with a wide SE range, so I put Expert Belt instead of Life Orb. I generally dislike Life Orb because the recoil damage screws me over more than it helps me.
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Swampert @ Leftovers
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 142 HP/136 Atk/200 Def/32 SDef
Relaxed nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Earthquake
- Roar
- Ice Punch
- Rest
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Swampert helps Moltres block incoming Rock hits, and Moltres blocks Grass hits for Pert. Pert also kills Blissey and supports the team by p-hazing. SE STAB EQ isn't good for Tyranitars, and Ice Punch kills Dragons. Even though it doesn't do much, I'll still predict Celebi switch-ins with it too.
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Celebi @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP/100 Def/104 SAtk/52 SDef
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Leech Seed
- Recover
- Heal Bell
- Psychic
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Celebi is a cleric for the team, helps stall Blissey, kills stuff with Psychic, and is generally annoying as hell. Moltres covers it from Bug hits (and Celebi/Swampert take Electric hits for Moltres).
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Old July 20th, 2008 (10:28 AM).
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Your team looks great!

hmm... you may want to consider Taunt on Gyarados, but it doesn't really matter.
Your set for him looks fine.

For Moltres you might want to consider Flamethrower or Substitute in the last spot instead of Toxic.

Donphan is fine.

Azelf is fine.

On Swampert I would consider this moveset.
Swampert @Leftovers
Relaxed - Torrent
-Surf
-Ice Beam
-Earthquake
-Roar/Rest/Protect
or
Swampert @Leftovers
Impish - Torrent
-Waterfall
-Ice Punch
-Earthquake
-Roar/Rest/Protect
Both work nicely.

Celebi is fine.

and that's all I have to suggest.
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Old July 20th, 2008 (10:46 AM). Edited July 20th, 2008 by sims796.
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Gyarados is one of my favorite pokes, and it saddens me to see him like that. It is far too weak offensively, and far too fragile defensively, with that set. Either go for that standard BulkyDos set

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Nature:Adamant
212 HP, 16 Atk, 180 Def, 100 Spd
WATERFALL/Ice Fang
Stone Edge/Earthquake
Taunt
Dragon Dance

This allows you to switch into many threats, charge up, and cause pain. You can afford so little EVs in attack, BTW. Taunt is crucial for charging.

Or

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Nature:Adamant
72 HP, 252 Atk, 184 Spe
Dragon Dance
Waterfall
Earthquake/Bite
Ice Fang/Stone Edge

Just pure power, while still charging up.

The standard MixPert is far superior to that.

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240 HP, 216 Def, 52 SpA
Hydro Pump
Ice Beam
Earthquake
Roar

All about damage, and these moves damages who it needs to hit better. Ice Beam does more to dragons than Ice Punch will ever do. And Earthquake causes pain without EVs in Atk.

I don't know WHY I'm not using it...
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Old July 20th, 2008 (11:12 AM).
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Oh, yes, I forgot, Impish cuts Sp.Atk. Yes, thanks for that.
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Old July 20th, 2008 (12:29 PM).
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Gyarados doesn't have 4x Grass immunity. Grass > Water, not the other way around.
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Old July 20th, 2008 (12:42 PM).
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Moltres @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 248 HP / 148 Def / 112 Speed
Bold nature
- Flamethrower
- Will-o-wisp / Toxic
- Roost
- Substitute

148 defense EVs and a Bold nature mean that an Adamant Swords Danced Life Orb Lucario Close Combat will 2HKO, as will a Swords Danced Life Orb Jolly Weavile Ice Punch.

Lucario does kill your team, so this will do as your counter for it.


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Toxic Blissey loves you otherwise =D.

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Donphan @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP/40 Atk/216 Def
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Rapid Spin
- Ice Shard
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
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Scarf chomp LOLOLLOLL. Anyways sure.
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Azelf @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 36 HP / 252 SP.ATT / 220 SPEED
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Psychic
- Nasty Plot
- Flamethrower
- Hidden power Fighting / Grass Knot
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HP Fight to hit Tar and heatran, grass knot is also acceptable.T-Bolt doesnt contribute much for additional coverage on Azelf.


36 HP lets you survive a CB Weavile Pursuit should you stay in.



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Celebi @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP/220 DEF / 36 SPEED
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Leech Seed
- Recover
- Heal Bell
- Grass Knot

So you can take Gyarados.

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