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View Poll Results: Whom created the Universal of Pocket Monsters...? Besides Tajiri, Satoshi...
"Arceus the Lamb" 19 58%
"God the Creator" 6 18%
Both of them, But, keep loving God! 8 24%
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Old July 28th, 2008 (12:41 PM).
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I never said capitalising the word god was a mistake, it is you guys saying we are doing some eveil sin against your/or whoevers religion by saying tha Arcues is the God of the PokeUniverse.
We never said that. Only the OP did.

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Now look at this right here, how do we as humans know for a fact that the God the christian bible depicts even exists. when i was told about christianity, i was told it was a belief that people had, that said they would go to a place called heaven after they die if they asked for forgivness for there sins. But there is no concrete evidence that says what happens to our souls after we die. So with that you have no argument saying that we cant apply something in our world to the ficticious world of pokemon. As far as i am concerned i dont worship Arceus nor do i plan to start, i said Arcues is a God of the pokemon world, he created the pokemon that created Space, Time, Emotion, the Earth and everthing in the poke universe was created by something that Arceus created. No i am not trying to compare the pokeuniverse and its structure to your religion.
Except Deano wasn't talking about religion, the OP was.
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Old July 28th, 2008 (12:59 PM). Edited July 28th, 2008 by rxpapi12.
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The Alpha of Pocket Monster's Universe




Now, moving on to the next Pokemon "Regigigas, the Land Mover." Regigigas was given the power to put together land the way God wanted them... So, as leader of "Regi Quaduplets," the Regis of Ice, Rock, and Steel were the ones to help make more land areas. (Read more of the Regi Trio of Ice, Rock, and Steel in the later paragraphs... )

The Pokemon of Ancient History... To be continued

Now Please tell me if you think God or Arceus is the Creator... The Poll is Above...
But what about the fact that the Regis were possibly human made?

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That is almost a perfect explination, accept for celeibi having no gender, and not breeding.
Its not like it can loose its ability to breed by traveling back in time can it, and if it went back to its normal time, it wouldnt get it back.
I dont think it works that way...

Compare it to Manaphy and Phione.
Phione is an incomplete Manaphy.
Celebi might be an incomplete version of a pokemon in the future, but all that is denied by no Gender...

the gender thing only really applies to the games since the anime has shown a lugia mother and son
i think they should have given them genders in the game but just not let them breed for the sake of not letting us have tons of legendaries


and also if this is to be compared to real religon then it makes sense since Arceus must have a shepard, hence "The lord is my shepard."
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Look, let me explain the true beginning history and where Arceus rank as:

-The Cosmos was just a pitch black void filled with darkness until a giant Egg suddenly appered and Arceus the Creation Pokemon was born from the Egg.

-Arceus then decided to create the Universe and the "Pocket Monsters" World by creating the Ancesssor pokemon known as Mew.

-Mew was given a task as the Ancessor to mold the Universe by giving birth to;

>Dialga (for the creation of time), Palkia (for the creation of Matter and Space), and Giratina (for the creation of the Afterlife).

-But Giratina was angry at Arceus for letting Mew for being the Ancessor and giving him such a useless job of being the Death Lord of the Revurse Realm (Torn World).

-So Giratina planed a Coup-D'Etat against Arceus by trying to kill Mew and then have the authority to command and convince Dialga and Palkia and together overthrow Arceus.

-But Arceus who was watching from the Beginning Demension (Upper Yard) saw through Giratina's plan and punich Giratina for commiting a Sin againt the Ancessor Mew and itself "the Original Being", by sealing Giratina in the Torn World and resizeing the Realm into the later created Turnback Cave.

-Mew had heard of the Sin Giratina commited and decided to form the Beings of Emotion, Knowledge and Willpower.

-The three Beings now known as Azelf, Mespirt, and Uxie did their job by doning the Red Chain, the bedrock of the balance of the Universe and if this chain is to break then the utter destuction of the Universe shall Comence.

-After the plan was fulliled, Arceus left Mew to continue to mold the Universe while it fell into a deep sleep only to be awakened again by the Chosen One who dons the Azure Flute.

Thats what happends in the true beginning history of Pokemon, from what I read at the Canalave Libary books in Pokemon Diamond I based the story from above to these books.

As for the rest of the Pokemon history toword the fulture, it gets too complitcatedand long so I'm not gonna explain.

I hope this clears things here.:sleeping:

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You lost me at coup de tat. Where did you hear all this, again?
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Old July 28th, 2008 (4:41 PM). Edited July 28th, 2008 by KhaosKnight.
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The Pokémon universe is the universe in which all Pokémon canon takes place. The universe was created by Arceus who, in turn, creates the dragon trio that creates matter, space and time and the lake trio that creates spirit. Giratina then, in turn, disappears and creates the reverse world. Dialga and Palkia are the two key Pokémon in this universe, as they can save it or destroy it. According to Cyrus, the Team Galactic leader, anyone with any of them in its possession can rule space or time. The universe is also connected to the reverse world and the alternate dimension. To date, there are only two known peculiar planets in this universe: the Pokémon world, along with its moon (from where Clefairy supposedly came from), and the unnamed world Deoxys came from. It is also known that there is a star in the Pokémon universe as it is seen in the sky in all of the episodes. It is unknown if there are any other planets in the Pokémon universe.


That is what bulba pedia said about the creation of the universe

You can also read this about the pokemon world: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/World

This also talks about the Dragon Trio, said to have created Matter, Space, and Time: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Dragon_trio

there was no coup de tat between the legends in the pokemon world, jeez

EDIT: I FOUND IT, this article clearly states how the order of events that led to the creation of the pokeuniverse: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/History_of_the_Pok%C3%A9mon_world

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Beginning of universe

Arceus comes into being.

Arceus creates the dragon trio and the lake trio.

Giratina disappears into an alternate dimension.

Dialga and Palkia create matter, space, and time.

Azelf, Uxie, and Mesprit create spirit.
Arceus falls into a deep sleep.


Creation of Pokémon world

Groudon is formed from magma, Kyogre is formed by the pressure in the deep sea trenches, Rayquaza is formed by the minerals of the ozone layer.

Groudon brings the land, Kyogre expands the sea.

Mew is born. <----(mew came after Arcues)

Groudon and Kyogre battle, destroying nearly all they had created.

Rayquaza intervenes, banishes Groudon and Kyogre to hidden areas of the Hoenn region and fall into sleep.

Regigigas moves the continents.

Mt. Coronet is created.

The Sinnoh region is created around Mt. Coronet.

Stark Mountain is created, lava creates into Heatran.


All of this stuff should explain about everything about creation.
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You know....they have yet to create a pokemon that takes control of matter. We have SPACE and TIME. But thinking on quantum levels what of matter....? How did matter come to be? Space is not part of matter....but part of time. Space expands with time. Some gaps of space don't allow time. Like the Black Hole. Meaning Palkia might be like somekind of black hole.

Also if Dialga created time...it might be it's quite ambiguous how Arceus came to be. Law of Physics state when a person is not moving they are travling through space,when they they are moving they are traviling through time. So if Arceus was there first....there was no matter, no time, no space. It won't work. Equations don't add up. Unless Arceus spontaneouly appeared. O_O.

Meaning a pokemon (if there ever is) that created matter...would be the god. I think there should be a pokemon that created matter.(OR DID ARCEUS CREATE MATTER)?
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You know....they have yet to create a pokemon that takes control of matter. We have SPACE and TIME. But thinking on quantum levels what of matter....? How did matter come to be? Space is not part of matter....but part of time. Space expands with time. Some gaps of space don't allow time. Like the Black Hole. Meaning Palkia might be like somekind of black hole.

Also if Dialga created time...it might be it's quite ambiguous how Arceus came to be. Law of Physics state when a person is not moving they are travling through space,when they they are moving they are traviling through time. So if Arceus was there first....there was no matter, no time, no space. It won't work. Equations don't add up. Unless Arceus spontaneouly appeared. O_O.

Meaning a pokemon (if there ever is) that created matter...would be the god. I think there should be a pokemon that created matter.(OR DID ARCEUS CREATE MATTER)?
Well Arceus is the Original One (which means the vary first pokemon) so mabie it created Matter.
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You know....they have yet to create a pokemon that takes control of matter. We have SPACE and TIME. But thinking on quantum levels what of matter....? How did matter come to be? Space is not part of matter....but part of time. Space expands with time. Some gaps of space don't allow time. Like the Black Hole. Meaning Palkia might be like somekind of black hole.

Also if Dialga created time...it might be it's quite ambiguous how Arceus came to be. Law of Physics state when a person is not moving they are travling through space,when they they are moving they are traviling through time. So if Arceus was there first....there was no matter, no time, no space. It won't work. Equations don't add up. Unless Arceus spontaneouly appeared. O_O.

Meaning a pokemon (if there ever is) that created matter...would be the god. I think there should be a pokemon that created matter.(OR DID ARCEUS CREATE MATTER)?
It is amazing how the Gods in religion in reality can do such great things that bypass all the laws of phisics, yet a fictional deity cant? Especialy after i just explained it all above. And Arcues is the creation diety of the pokemon univers. Space and Time together are Matter. Arcues created Dialga and Palkia and together they created MATTER, didnt you read above:

Beginning of universe

Arceus comes into being.

Arceus creates the dragon trio and the lake trio.

Giratina disappears into an alternate dimension.

Dialga and Palkia create matter, space, and time. <-----RIGHT THERE

Azelf, Uxie, and Mesprit create spirit.
Arceus falls into a deep sleep.
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Can we assume Arceus modeled after a goat has a shepard?
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Some say he was modled after a gaot, but to say a sheperd would seem to much as a Christian reference since it states in the bible that the Sheperd is the lord and we are his sheep. Though Arcues can be a horse, sheep, dog, cat or whathave you. Since the "Alternate Forme" is the new fad between pokemon, it is not to say that arcues can have another form that takes on a completely different shape.
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Some say he was modled after a gaot, but to say a sheperd would seem to much as a Christian reference since it states in the bible that the Sheperd is the lord and we are his sheep. Though Arcues can be a horse, sheep, dog, cat or whathave you. Since the "Alternate Forme" is the new fad between pokemon, it is not to say that arcues can have another form that takes on a completely different shape.
it would be sweet if in another forme he stood upright on two legs like a human
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it would be sweet if in another forme he stood upright on two legs like a human

Wow you read my mind, that what i was thinking his Alt forme would be. I think that because in the pokedex it mentions something about 1000-10,000 arms he used to shape the universe or something
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I'm sorry I didn't read the whole text so I'm not sure what you concluded with. It is an interesting concept, however, it is all obviously false as God doesn't exist. Otherwise, a well thought out question.
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