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Old July 27th, 2008 (3:09 AM).
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Hey, i might have gone a but dumb since i wasn't on here for months, is this team any good?

Lucario @ Life Orb
Steadfast
Jolly
252atk,252spd,4hp
Close Combat
Swords Dance
Earthquake
Shadow Claw

I love this guy still

Empoleon @ Leftovers
Timid
200spd,200sp.atk,108hp
Hydro Pump
Ice Beam
Stealth Rock
HP Fire/Grass Knot

The weirdest Empoleon i ever found

Staraptor @ Leftovers
Intimidate
Adamant
252spd,252atk
Close Combat
Brave Bird
U-Turn
Steel Wing

BANG! and the enemys gone(ish)

Alakazam @ ???????
Timid
Inner Focus
252spd,252sp.atk
Psychic
Focus Blast
Shadow Ball
Energy Ball

Dragonite @ Leftovers
Jolly
Inner Focus
252atk,252spd
Outrage
Dragon Dance
EQ
Thunder/Firepunch

Coulnd't leave him be

Blissey @ Leftovers
Bold
252def,200atk,56hp/sp.def
Aromatherapy
Softboiled
Thunder Wave
Brick Break

As you who are good at this can probably see i'm almost a total noob again.
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Old July 27th, 2008 (5:50 AM).
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Ew, BB and Bold Nature on a Blissey. >:(

Go ST in the last slot for Blissey.

FP > Thunder on D-Nite, or Steels go "LOL."

And why the fack does Alakazam not have Choice Specs + Trick? ;d

Bold Blissey is ew and outdated, go Calm > Bold.
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Old July 27th, 2008 (6:02 AM).
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WTF is that blissey?
Base 10 attack?
-Att nature?
Are you serious?
No. Scrap it. Use one of the standards please.

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And why the fack does Alakazam not have Choice Specs + Trick?
TrickSpecs is a very common strategy, for example blissey really doesnt like being choiced.

HP Ice mixape rapes this team tbh. Lack of a physical wall isnt helping either. Scrap staraptor for a bulky water, he's just doing lucario's job badly and is generally made of fail. Change those and I'll give a full rates on movesets etc.
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Old July 27th, 2008 (6:22 AM).
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Lucario @ Life Orb
Steadfast
Jolly
252atk,252spd,4hp
Close Combat
Swords Dance
Earthquake
Shadow Claw
Earthquake and Shadow Claw are ... ew. Crunch gives you flinch chance and has more power than Shadow Claw. Extremespeed is almost a must on Lucario. Use it or die. >:(

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Empoleon @ Leftovers
Timid
200spd,200sp.atk,108hp
Hydro Pump
Ice Beam
Stealth Rock
HP Fire/Grass Knot
If your even thinking about Hidden Power, use HP ELECTRIC. Otherwise Yawn, Roar, or Grass Knot does fine. Ew, fix those EVs. Empoleon doesn't need that much Offense and Speed. Invest the majority in Sp. Def. and HP.

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Staraptor @ Leftovers
Intimidate
Adamant
252spd,252atk
Close Combat
Brave Bird
U-Turn
Steel Wing
Use this as your lead Pokemon with Choice Band and Jolly Nature. Ew, Steel Wing? Steel offers terrible coverage. Use Double Edge or Return, at least you get some STAB. Invest 4 EVs in HP.

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Alakazam @ ???????
Timid
Inner Focus
252spd,252sp.atk
Psychic
Focus Blast
Shadow Ball
Energy Ball
Energy Ball doesn't exactly do any good to Alakazam. Try Trick over Energy Ball and hold Choice Specs, just to annoy those more defensive walls. Especially those Icebeam Blisseys and whatnot. TrickSpecs causes some major problems for a lot of Pokemon. Invest 4 EVs in HP.

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Dragonite @ Leftovers
Jolly
Inner Focus
252atk,252spd
Outrage
Dragon Dance
EQ
Thunder/Firepunch
Fire Punch, always. Invest some Sp.Def EVs in there. Dragonite already gets a Dragon Dance boost. =] 4 HP EVs again. I prefer Yache Berry on all Dragon and Ice / Ground Pokemon, to be honest. :3

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Blissey @ Leftovers
Bold
252def,200atk,56hp/sp.def
Aromatherapy
Softboiled
Thunder Wave
Brick Break
O_O;; To start things off, why the hell does Blissey have Brick Break and 200 Attack EVs!? Blissey's attack stat is a freaking 10. O_O; Seismic Toss pl0x. Calm Nature, Bold just fails as of now. 252 HP / 252 SpDef / 4 Def.
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Old July 27th, 2008 (6:30 AM).
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WTF is that blissey?
Base 10 attack?
-Att nature?
Are you serious?
No. Scrap it. Use one of the standards please.



TrickSpecs is a very common strategy, for example blissey really doesnt like being choiced.

HP Ice mixape rapes this team tbh. Lack of a physical wall isnt helping either. Scrap staraptor for a bulky water, he's just doing lucario's job badly and is generally made of fail. Change those and I'll give a full rates on movesets etc.
WTF? I said why does it not have it. o.o
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Old July 27th, 2008 (7:43 AM).
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Seismic Toss pl0x. Calm Nature, Bold just fails as of now. 252 HP / 252 SpDef / 4 Def.

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A blissey with no def is equally as poop 252 DEF / 216 SP.DEF / 40 HP @Calm Plox.
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WTF? I said why does it not have it. o.o
Sorry I misread :P

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Well said ;)
Can someone tell me if flamethrower on bliss has become standard while I'm away or if im just seeing a lot of it? Im really hoping the former.
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Old July 27th, 2008 (10:38 AM).
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Well said ;)
Can someone tell me if flamethrower on bliss has become standard while I'm away or if im just seeing a lot of it? Im really hoping the former.
Yep, it is standard now. Its mainly for Heracross, Lucario, metagross etc switch ins.
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Wow, away for two weeks and standard bliss gets another revamp. At least its only one move, I can keep the bliss I have. I'm presuming it goes over aromatherapy?
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Old July 27th, 2008 (11:28 AM).
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A blissey with no def is equally as poop 252 DEF / 216 SP.DEF / 40 HP @Calm Plox.
*ahem* You didn't notice the 4 Defense EVs I put. |D -shot'd-
But I'm bad at EVs, so whatev. :<

Mixape just... rapes everything except for Alakazam, who can't exactly switch in very safely. Weavile rapes everything. D:
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Earthquake and Shadow Claw are ... ew. Crunch gives you flinch chance and has more power than Shadow Claw. Extremespeed is almost a must on Lucario. Use it or die. >:(

Except Crunch doesn't offer a flinch chance =/
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Hey, i might have gone a but dumb since i wasn't on here for months, is this team any good?

Not an excuse to make a bad team really.

Lucario @ Life Orb
Steadfast
Jolly
252atk,252spd,4hp
Close Combat
Swords Dance
Earthquake
Shadow Claw

WHY are you going Close Combat and Earthquake. They have the same coverage basically, except Close Combat is a base 180 move for Luke. Replace Earthquake with Extremespeed or Bullet Punch, and Shadow Claw for Crunch.

Empoleon @ Leftovers
Timid
200spd,200sp.atk,108hp
Hydro Pump
Ice Beam
Stealth Rock
HP Fire/Grass Knot

I know nothing on Empoleon, but HP Electric or most bulky waters will wall you with ease, namely Gyara.

Staraptor @ Leftovers
Intimidate
Adamant
252spd,252atk
Close Combat
Brave Bird
U-Turn
Steel Wing

Yuck, Luke does this better. Lead with this, Choice Band, Jolly nature, and get rid of Steel Wing. Seriously, give it Return or some other STAB.

Alakazam @ ???????
Timid
Inner Focus
252spd,252sp.atk
Psychic
Focus Blast
Shadow Ball
Energy Ball

Outdated by a lot of sweepers to be honest =/ But yeah, either go Life Orb, and use HP Ice over Energy Ball, or use Choice Specs and go Trick over Energy Ball.

Dragonite @ Leftovers
Jolly
Inner Focus
252atk,252spd
Outrage
Dragon Dance
EQ
Thunder/Firepunch

Get rid of Thunder. Go Fire Punch. You could alternately go Substitute > Earthqake or Fire Punch and use a SubRage set.


Blissey @ Leftovers
Bold
252def,200atk,56hp/sp.def
Aromatherapy
Softboiled
Thunder Wave
Brick Break


Get the hell out of here with this

Blissey @ Leftovers
Calm
42 HP/252 Def/216 SpD
Aromatherapy/Ice Beam/Flamethrower/Thunderbolt/Shadow Ball
Softboiled
Thunder Wave/Toxic
Seismic Toss
Yeah, you need a lot of help with this team. At least your team cannot be swept like Blissey, remember? ;)
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Old July 27th, 2008 (3:13 PM).
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i just oculdnt help noticing ur lucario because i run an SD luke too but things to consider for it:

Adamant >>> Jolly
Extremespeed >>> Earthquake Espeed guaranteed OHKO after one SD on Deoxy-e
I couldnt help noticing shadow claw but Ima thinking thatll work too, you could consider crunch over that so theres that,

DDnite could use a yache berry but im unfamiliar with it,
I think the standard moves are fire punch, earthquake and outrage but i prefer dragon claw, someone correct me if i screwed up his dnite

Scrape you blissey
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He needs the power from Crunch over Shadow Claw. Of course, Adamant & ExtremeSpeed are absolutley necessary, or else he will KO NOZIENG.
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DDnite could use a yache berry but im unfamiliar with it,
I think the standard moves are fire punch, earthquake and outrage but i prefer dragon claw, someone correct me if i screwed up his dnite
Boo. The entire reason to use DDNite is Dragon Dance + Outrage. If you go DD + Dragon Claw, you may as well just use Salamence.
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Old July 27th, 2008 (4:51 PM).
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Im just prefering Dclaw over Outrage because confusion really gets to me but I see a point there AC
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Confusion is nothing. Just switch out. Besides, without Outrage, good luck on doing anything.
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I just noticed this. That was a little rude. If you haven't played for months, I'd expect a team to look bad. Plus, he is asking for help. If his team was looking good, he wouldn't be here. That's how we chase away people who wants help.Air is right, at least make it stand out. Without Outrage, you might as well use Salamence.
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I just noticed this. That was a little rude. If you haven't played for months, I'd expect a team to look bad. Plus, he is asking for help. If his team was looking good, he wouldn't be here. That's how we chase away people who wants help.Air is right, at least make it stand out. Without Outrage, you might as well use Salamence.
I'm not being rude. It's no excuse for using Brick Break with Bold on Blissey =/
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Oh, well, I didn't notice all that....I only saw Lucario, Empoleon, & Zam. I missed Blissey completley.

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You were too kind, then.
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wow, a lot of replies.I'm sorry baout this, but i've totally changed some memebers of the team, including scrapping alakazam adn Bliss, but i'm gonna try to take in what you said.This is mainly coz i stopped playing pokemon in June, and jsut restarted Diamond.I'm currenlty ifndindg new techniques in-game that i ithnk will work out of game as well.I'm oing to go back to shoddy once i've sorted my team.


Electivire @ Leftovers
Jolly
252atk,252spd,4hp
EQ
Brick Break
Icepunch
Thunderpunch (for STAB)

I've noticed thisd guy's suppposed to be good, i might have screwed him.Oh well, amybe you guiys coudl tell me how i've done it.

Dragonite @ Leftovers
Jolly
252spd,252atk,4hp
Outrage
Dragon Dance
Fire Punch
Earthquake

Going back to what i had lastb time people had finished having a go at me

Empoleon @ Leftovers
Timid
200spd,200sp.atk,108hp
Surf
Ice Beam
Grass Knot
HP Electric

I took note of what theb rude guy said on this one.I xcouldn't help it if i forgot stuff, i guess i'll just havve to learn again.

Lucario @ Life Orb
Steadfast
Jolly
252atk,252spd,4hp
Extremespeed (i forgot my Lucario had it, itso nly level 50 in-game, but i EVC trained it so much that on the battle with Volkner i swept right through him with Drain Punch)
Close Combat
Crunch
Swords Dance

SDLuke


Azelf @ Leftovers
Modest
252sp.atk,252spd,4hp
Psychic
Thunderbolt/Flamethrower
Shadow Ball/Flamethrower
Nasty Plot

This basically worksthe same as Lucario, except its on the special side, not the physical.

Uxie @ Leftovers
Relaxed
148def,252sp.def,108hp
Calm Mind
Toxic
Protect
Trick Room

Gone for low speed on this one to emphasize Trick Room, meant to stall, but i'm not that good at that kind of thing so it might be absolutely useless, basically it goes on a formula of move-protect-move-protect-move etc. to stay alive, with toxic dealing the damage.
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Get rid of Trick Room. Please. Trick Room on this team is classified as instant suicide. Your team consists almost entirely of fast sweepers, so you've just crippled every one of them when you use Trick Room. Metagross hits SE on 4 of 6 of your team and Trick Room makes him faster than everything. He's also got STAB Gyro Ball/Meteor Mash to hit Uxie and Azelf hard. Tyranitar destroys you too, along with any slow Pokemon that has high attack strength and a decent movepool. Dark, Ice, and Ground are the only types needed to hit SE on everything and it's not hard to come by.

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wow, a lot of replies.I'm sorry baout this, but i've totally changed some memebers of the team, including scrapping alakazam adn Bliss, but i'm gonna try to take in what you said.This is mainly coz i stopped playing pokemon in June, and jsut restarted Diamond.I'm currenlty ifndindg new techniques in-game that i ithnk will work out of game as well.I'm oing to go back to shoddy once i've sorted my team.


Electivire @ Leftovers
Jolly
252atk,252spd,4hp
EQ
Brick Break
Icepunch
Thunderpunch (for STAB)

You heard wrong. Electivire sucks ass.

Dragonite @ Leftovers
Jolly
252spd,252atk,4hp
Outrage
Dragon Dance
Fire Punch
Earthquake

Fine

Empoleon @ Leftovers
Timid
200spd,200sp.atk,108hp
Surf
Ice Beam
Grass Knot
HP Electric

You could go Agility Sweeper.

Lucario @ Life Orb
Steadfast
Jolly
252atk,252spd,4hp
Extremespeed (i forgot my Lucario had it, itso nly level 50 in-game, but i EVC trained it so much that on the battle with Volkner i swept right through him with Drain Punch)
Close Combat
Crunch
Swords Dance

Standard


Azelf @ Leftovers
Modest
252sp.atk,252spd,4hp
Psychic
Thunderbolt/Flamethrower
Shadow Ball/Flamethrower
Nasty Plot

Use Grass Knot > Tbolt and Flamethrower > Shadow Ball.

Uxie @ Leftovers
Relaxed
148def,252sp.def,108hp
Calm Mind
Toxic
Protect
Trick Room

Gone for low speed on this one to emphasize Trick Room, meant to stall, but i'm not that good at that kind of thing so it might be absolutely useless, basically it goes on a formula of move-protect-move-protect-move etc. to stay alive, with toxic dealing the damage.
Comments in bold. Much better this time.
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