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Old July 27th, 2008 (7:56 PM). Edited July 31st, 2008 by Z o M B ii 3.
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To start things off, this is my first team I've made.
Don't worry, you will not be impressed.
Team at a glace:



PIX'd Orb w/ Leftovers
Impish/Sturdy
252HP/252DEF/6ATK
Earthquake
Rapid Spin
Stealth Rock
Explosion


Softboiled w/ Leftovers
Calm/Natural Cure
152HP/252DEF/100SP.DEF
Seismic Toss
Ice Beam
Softboiled
Aroma
[OR]
Seismic Toss/Ice Beam
Softboiled
Aroma
Toxic



Poseidon w/ Expert Belt
Jolly/Intimidate
216HP/52ATK/176DEF/66SPD
Earthquake/Stone Edge
Waterfall
Taunt/Bite
Dragon Dance


Simian w/ Life Orb
Naive/Blaze
252SP.ATK/232SPD/24ATK
Flamethrower
Close Combat
Grass Knot
Nasty Plot


Nightmare w/ Leftovers
Impish/Pressure
252HP/76DEF/180SP.DEF
Shadow Sneak
Thunderpunch
Will-O-Wisp
Pain Split


L33T H4X w/ Choice Specs
Timid/Adaptability
252SP.ATK/252SPD/6HP
Tri Attack
Dark Pulse
Discharge
Ice Beam

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Old July 28th, 2008 (6:35 AM).
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Forretress w/ Leftovers
Impish/Sturdy
252HP/252DEF/6ATK
Earthquake
Rapid Spin
Stealth Rock
Explosion

Don't see anything wrong with this, I just wouldn't lead off with him.

Blissey w/ Leftovers
Bold/Natural Cure
148HP/252DEF/104SP.ATK/4SPD
Seismic Toss
Ice Beam
Softboiled
Toxic/Thunder Wave

If you have T-Wave you're fine without SDef since you'll para Azelf and be able to kill it with a fast sweeper. Any specific reason for the speed though? And does 104 SAtk EVs guarantee OHKO on Garchomp or something with Ice Beam?

Gyarados w/ Expert Belt
Adamant/Intimidate
215HP/16ATK/180DEF/100SPD
Earthquake
Surf/Waterfall
Taunt
Dragon Dance

Personally I prefer power Gyara to bulky Gyara, but to each their own. Surf does nothing as it is special and Gyara has crap SAtk. Also consider Aqua Tail as a replacement for Waterfall, but that is to each their own.

Infernape w/ Life Orb or Expert Belt, your call
Naive/Blaze
252SP.ATK/232SPD/24ATK
Flamethrower
Close Combat
Grass Knot
Nasty Plot

Fine. Maybe lead off with this or PoryZ.

Dusknoir w/ Leftovers
Impish/Pressure
252HP/76DEF/180SP.DEF
Shadow Sneak
Thunderpunch
Will-O-Wisp
Pain Split

Other than slight EV modifications there's not much I could do with this. Maybe add a touch to defense since this is your only Gyara counter.

PorygonZ w/ Choice Specs
Timid/Adaptability
252SP.ATK/252SPD/6HP
Tri Attack
Dark Pulse
Thunderbolt
Ice Beam

Fine, you may wish to lead off with this.

You have a major Swords Dance Infernape weakness. If he gets a dance off you're screwed since he can outspeed and OHKO everything on your team save Dusknoir, who can't do much back. And this means my build of it (Expert Belt over Life Orb and Blaze Kick over Flare Blitz). How to fix this without major changes I'm not sure yet.
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Old July 28th, 2008 (8:36 AM).
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Blissey: I saw this moveset somewhere, I can change it.

I could take out forretress and give Bliss stealth rock.
Or replace Forretress with swampert?
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Old July 28th, 2008 (8:56 AM).
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I think those are sp. def. evs on bliss, not speed, but y only 4? Blissey serves as a special wall, so put more sp. def. EVs on it.

Swampert will just add to your infernape weakness, as it gets 2-3HKO'ed by a NP'ed Grass Knot. Espy can help with hte calculations on that.

Forry is fine, just don't lead off with him. If you want to replace him, go with a bulky starmie to counter your SD ape weakness. I'm not sure on the EV's, but run Thunderbolt/Surf/Rapid Spin/ Recover. You also might want to replace Dusknoir then with Donphan. Run EQ/Ice Shard/ Rapid Spin/ Stone Edge or Stealth Rock.
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Old July 28th, 2008 (9:01 AM).
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For a new Bliss: 152HP/252DEF/100SP.DEF?
I want to keep toxic on it.
Or I can replace stealth rock with Toxic Spikes with Fort,
and instead of toxic put stealth rock on bliss.

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Old July 28th, 2008 (9:34 AM).
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OK EV set, maybe a little less HP?

Blissey will get lol'ed at If you put SR on there. Toxic needs to be on bliss to wear down other walls that come in for stalling.
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Old July 28th, 2008 (12:26 PM).
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BLissey want Calm 40HP/252DEF/216Sp.DEF

That is the new standard.
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Old July 28th, 2008 (1:00 PM).
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Just a couple points

1)Umm Use this tauntdos set its the best I've seen, used, liked, tested, and compared using math (I'll explain if anyone wants)
Gyarados @ leftovers
jolly
Ev: 216hp, 52 att, 176 def, 66 spe
~ taunt
~ Ddance
~ waterfall
~ stone edge
Note: can beat a fortress, thats all I'm saying

1.5) if you don't want tauntdos use this (making this up as i go)
Gyarados @ life orb
jolyy
Ev: 216hp, 52 att, 176 def, 66 spe
~ Ddance
~ Waterfall
~ Stone edge
~ bite (handy)

2) Consider toxic spikes on fortress, its nice but its your choice they really sort of equal out i guess

2.5) If you still want Stealth rock set up first turn consider Areodactyl, he's ok i hear

3)Use this blissey if you want bold
Blissey @ leftovers
Bold
Ev: 80 hp, 252 def, 176 def
~ sesmic toss
~ ice beam
~ softboil
~ Aromatherapy
Notes: you need something to take care of your teams statuses, or a status absorber

the rest of the team looks ok

Lastly replace toxic/T-wave on blissey with Aromatherapy you need it!
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Old July 28th, 2008 (2:24 PM).
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Just a couple points

1)Umm Use this tauntdos set its the best I've seen, used, liked, tested, and compared using math (I'll explain if anyone wants)
Gyarados @ leftovers
jolly
Ev: 216hp, 52 att, 176 def, 66 spe
~ taunt
~ Ddance
~ waterfall
~ stone edge
Note: can beat a fortress, thats all I'm saying

1.5) if you don't want tauntdos use this (making this up as i go)
Gyarados @ life orb
jolyy
Ev: 216hp, 52 att, 176 def, 66 spe
~ Ddance
~ Waterfall
~ Stone edge
~ bite (handy)

2) Consider toxic spikes on fortress, its nice but its your choice they really sort of equal out i guess

2.5) If you still want Stealth rock set up first turn consider Areodactyl, he's ok i hear

3)Use this blissey if you want bold
Blissey @ leftovers
Bold
Ev: 80 hp, 252 def, 176 def
~ sesmic toss
~ ice beam
~ softboil
~ Aromatherapy
Notes: you need something to take care of your teams statuses, or a status absorber

the rest of the team looks ok

Lastly replace toxic/T-wave on blissey with Aromatherapy you need it!
Ew, use Calm.
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Old July 28th, 2008 (5:07 PM).
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Ok, so far I'm going to try the Calm Bliss and Tauntdos sets suggested.
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calm on blissy i thick that will help
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Old July 30th, 2008 (6:55 AM).
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1.5) if you don't want tauntdos use this (making this up as i go)
Gyarados @ life orb
jolyy
Ev: 216hp, 52 att, 176 def, 66 spe
~ Ddance
~ Waterfall
~ Stone edge
~ bite (handy)
Actually, with bite you want wacan berry so starmie doesn't do 72% - 85% if you don't get in a DD.
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Actually, with bite you want wacan berry so starmie doesn't do 72% - 85% if you don't get in a DD.
It would just be smarter to switch out if you don't have a DD considering getting Gyarados one DD is insanely easy.
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Exactly.

If you don't have at least 100 1 Dragon dance with you, you have no place even attempting to Bite Starmie. Lest you want a dead Gya.
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On my Noir, I run 252 HP and 252Def so he can dominate as a Physical Wall but that spread could work too. Depends on what he needs to do.
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Old July 30th, 2008 (12:48 PM).
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Thank you guys.
I was thinking I might take Dusknoir out for something else because
I battled around 7 times today and It didn't see any action.
I took someone's advice and Porygon-Z makes a great lead.
He can sweep 3-4 pokemon off a team depending on their lead.
It works really well.

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I personally would give Forry Toxic Spikes, but Stealth Rocks are good too. He could also be Relaxed and pack Gyro Ball for a powerful STAB against most Sweepers he'll face.
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Just because Dusknoir hasn't made an appearance isn't a reason to replace it. If it hasn't seen battle, that means the rest of your team can do the trick. Dusknoir still fits in as your tank/wall. Keep Dusknoir for now.
Does Forry ever use Explosion? If not, do what MAtt-O said.
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Old July 31st, 2008 (7:18 AM).
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Just because Dusknoir hasn't made an appearance isn't a reason to replace it. If it hasn't seen battle, that means the rest of your team can do the trick. Dusknoir still fits in as your tank/wall. Keep Dusknoir for now.
Does Forry ever use Explosion? If not, do what MAtt-O said.
I set up Stealth rock with Fort, and then switch out if I cannot EQ.
I bring him back in if something is walling me.
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