Jumpluff is being quite helpful. I guess you'd have to see it in action...
The Mantine thing was sort of a joke. Return actually gives better coverage in terms of not being resisted. Surskit also resists EQ & Waterfall.
SpecsLuke is awesome. It also provides a priority move that doesn't require setting up.
Besides, Gyara is already my physical sweeper, no Spec sweeper would really limit me.
Now, Aquilae, sorry I took ages to get to your rate, I have been busy.
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DD Life Orb Gyarados will take care of your problems, the Bulky variant can't even sweep and Taunt isn't going to be of much use. I would run max speed/max attack Adamant, Waterfall/Stone Edge and the last slot either Bite (which OHKOs Starmie most of the time) or Ice Fang (lets Gyarados get past non-Reflect Celebi or Reflect Celebi below ~75%).
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I was talking to T_S and having thoughts about this and I had planned to do so anyway. Your enthusiasm is reassuring, though.
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Bronzong shouldn't be aiming to 2HKO CBtar, since CBtar 2HKOs back, unless it is fool enough to switchin to Bronzong. Go with the old standard, 252 HP/152 Attack/96 Def/8 SpD Sassy, or you could go hyper-offensive with Brave 252 Attack which lets Bronzong OHKO non-ScarfGar.
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I found that around that mark was generally useful, then tweaked them to fit. I meant it basically 2HKOs any min HP/Def Tar. I realise that it isn't important, but it sort of helped me choose a number, lol. I feel that those sets are too defensively limited, as I don't see Bronzong primarily as an attacker.
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I don't see SpecsLuke working on this team, it doesn't help Gyarados sweep, as it is unable to demolish walls that would give it trouble. You should go standard and use Crunch, demolishing Celebi.
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It isn't great for the team, I admit that, I just wanted to try it out. I am personally not too keen on SDLuke as it also has to set up (like Gyara, I mean...), so it doesn't leave me with an "off the bat" attacker. Celebi is definately a problem, though
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This team is very Gyarados weak at the moment, so I'm going to make quite a big change to your team in order to cover it and accomodate the special threats.
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I need to say that for most of the sets, Jumpluff outspeeds it after a DD, so it can switch in on DD, Waterfall or EQ and Encore it, Sleep it, whatever... Fast sets with Ice Fang/Taunt are an issue, though.
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I would recommend Roost Mixmence + ScarfTran over Gliscor and Snorlax,
Salamence @ Life Orb
Rash, 252 SpA/252 Speed/4 HP
Draco Meteor
Fire Blast
Brick Break
Roost
Since 252/252 Bold Blissey has been eschewed for the new ObiBliss (Calm, 252 Def), you don't need the 128 Attack EVs, and its not worth giving up a speed tie with other Salamence.
Intimidate + Flying makes this Mence a nice initial switchin into Hera and Luke, and it packs much more offense than Gliscor would.
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Believe me, I like it, but it seems to cut from the team's defensive capabilities - it is not an offensive team.
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Heatran @ Choice Scarf
Timid, 252 SpA/224 Speed/34 HP
Fire Blast
Earth Power
Hidden Power [Ice] / Dragon Pulse
Explosion / Toxic / Will-O-Wisp
Well, Timid 224 outspeeds +speed Weavile, and stuff like CS Adamant Heracross. HP Ice gurantees an OHKO on Garchomp, but Dragon Pulse has superior coverage but unfortunately fails to OHKO.
The last slot is of personal preference.
With Mixmence + ScarfTran Luke would be easily removed, Tran resists Extremespeed, Bullet Punch and Hidden Power [Ice] and revenges with Fire Blast/Earth Power. Heatran also makes a good switchin to Azelf and the like, and those which carry Earth Power/Aura Sphere are dealt with by Gyarados.
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I was considering Heatran and I still may, but I also want to try out Zapdos. See the bottom of the post for more info.
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Over Jumpluff, I would put a Vaporeon with HP Electric helping cover Gyara, with Roar/Wish/Surf.
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I am considering Vappy, too. I was thinking of the Specs set or this, but I am not keen to remove Jumpluff. Also, I don't want to seem like I'm shooting down all of your advice, it is some of the most helpful I've recieved, I just need to make changes as I go, but I am not prepared to drop half of the team yet.
Here is the Zapdos set I am thinking of (EVs courtesy of T_S):
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Originally Posted by =)
[email protected] Scarf
Modest
112 HP, 252 Sp. Atk, 144 Spd
U-Turn
Thunderbolt
Hidden Power ICE
Extrasensory
As a lead. I will try it and work on the synergy, but if it doesn't work, I will follow your suggestions, Aqui. Thanks, though.
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