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Old August 1st, 2008 (5:19 AM).
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It depends...

Lets say, you want to hack a lavitar because no one will trade you one online and no matter what you do you can't find one...

So, you hack one, and then you breed it for IVs and natures and get a non-hacked lavitar that you can EV train and such

This is acceptable and there are a lot of things in the gray area, but this is an issue that isn't going to get resolved because the best hackers cover-up the fact they hack
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It depends...

Lets say, you want to hack a lavitar because no one will trade you one online and no matter what you do you can't find one...

So, you hack one, and then you breed it for IVs and natures and get a non-hacked lavitar that you can EV train and such

This is acceptable and there are a lot of things in the gray area, but this is an issue that isn't going to get resolved because the best hackers cover-up the fact they hack
I agree with you.

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In my opinion, hacking (or cloning) is rarely acceptable, only for TMs and items that can be obtained by restarting another game and transgerring them over.

I only use the cloning glitch in Emerald for TMs. Mainly because I'm tired of restarting my games to get the one off TMs such as Overheat and the expensive battle tower TMs such as Toxic and Calm Mind.I always release the cloned pokemon immediately after I've cloned the TM though.

It saves a hell of a lot of time in the long run. The only problem is I can only transfer 6 a day and have to catch 6 useless pokemon to give the TMs to.

I wish I'd cloned my black Rayquaza before I transferred it though. (I was offered a Timid Darkrai)
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Err.
There are certain codes used by an AR that the competitive battling scene deems legitimate, such as IV checking, All Items, max money, 99999 BP, and Cloning (How else do you expect us to trade). But any code that modify's any pokemon is ilegitimate imo.

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It depends...

Lets say, you want to hack a lavitar because no one will trade you one online and no matter what you do you can't find one...

So, you hack one, and then you breed it for IVs and natures and get a non-hacked lavitar that you can EV train and such

This is acceptable and there are a lot of things in the gray area, but this is an issue that isn't going to get resolved because the best hackers cover-up the fact they hack
Breeding a hacked pokemon with a legit pokemon results in a Bad Egg, thus you cannot hack a pokemon to breed to become legit.
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Old August 1st, 2008 (7:15 AM).
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Err.
There are certain codes used by an AR that the competitive battling scene deems legitimate, such as IV checking, All Items, max money, 99999 BP, and Cloning (How else do you expect us to trade). But any code that modify's any pokemon is ilegitimate imo.

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Breeding a hacked pokemon with a legit pokemon results in a Bad Egg, thus you cannot hack a pokemon to breed to become legit.
Yes you can...

You can get a bad egg when you force egg breed
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Old August 1st, 2008 (7:31 AM).
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All hacking is acceptable when the previous owner of your diamond put in the finish pokedex code before you and never actually went out to catch the legendaries in game
he even left me with ton of masterballs which i won't consider hacking since the pokemon themselves will be legit but not the method to catch them(999mballs)
when i've caught all i want i'll trade them to someone i could trust to hold them start a new game and get them all traded back so i could have two of every legendary in game
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I reckon hacking is fine unless you want to make uber powerfu pokemon like a wondertomb knowing the 4 most powerful moves in the game and all stats 500. I would accept someone using walk thru walls to get Darkrai etc if they live somewhere which very rarely or never gets events, e.g England & New Zealand
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I don't really have an issue with any cheats except the ones that make Pokemon stronger than they should be. That's like steriods. I don't mind things that speed processes up. Like fast EV Training and items. It's possible to have your Pokemon EV Trained and it's possible to have 999 of items,it just takes a long time. So hacking to make it not take such a long time to do is something I don't mind. Unless the speading up of things like EV's and IV's go over the 510 and 31 in each stat limits. The things to make ALL stats 31 is kind of unfair though.
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I believe cheating is only acceptable in a few cases:

Items/TMs: Though I actually play through a game many times to get legit multiple items, I'm not against item hacking. But it does feel worth it when you actually earn the items. Also, if someone accidentally loses a save file with many legit items, then their reason for cheating is justified, as it would be very tedious and annoying to recover all of those items by playing through the game again...

Personally, my 'excuse' for item duplication is that Mr. Stone of Hoenn/RSE, being so rich, 'freely' gives out items that Trainers may need. Or you could just say you conveniently won the lottery! :D

Backup Pokemon: I've lost 2 Pokemon Sapphire carts and 1 Pokemon Emerald save file (the cart dislodged while the game was saving before a Secret Base battle, which erased the file instead of corrupting it like usual :(). All 3 files had many legit Lv.100 Pokemon on them. It wouldn't really be fair to force someone to catch and retrain all of those Pokemon if they've actually done the legit training before (and if some of those Pkmn were from Events). Now, it's unpractical, but if someone wrote down the stats, IVs, nature, etc. of their Pokemon in case they lost their file, they can justifiably reclaim their lost Pokemon using AR or Pokesav if they did happen to lose their file.

Events/Version-Exclusive Pokemon You Somehow Can't Find: You can't really complete the Pokedex without these Pokemon, and not all Trainers have an equal chance to even get them legit from events (i.e., U.S. trainers currently can't get legit Celebi at all, unlike players in Japan) Plus, it's not fair if some people live minutes away from event cities like NYC when others have to travel hundreds of miles just to obtain a few pieces of data that can easily be lost (no offense to Pokemon). But we really wouldn't have to cheat for these event Pkmn if the Pokemon were made available at the game store, or if they were offered on Wi-Fi with certain in-game requirements.
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It depends...

Lets say, you want to hack a lavitar because no one will trade you one online and no matter what you do you can't find one...

So, you hack one, and then you breed it for IVs and natures and get a non-hacked lavitar that you can EV train and such

This is acceptable and there are a lot of things in the gray area, but this is an issue that isn't going to get resolved because the best hackers cover-up the fact they hack
Lastly, if you can't find/no one's providing you a specific Pokemon, as with Kisame's Larvitar example earlier, then cheating for that is valid as well.

Besides these reasons, cheating simply for things like max stats or illegal abilities and movesets is just wrong.

(Sorry if it seems like I'm rambling or something; just wanted to get my point across!)
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I walked through walls to get shaymin/and darkrai, and got the flute for arceus (who i dont use in the game or in battles,just to have him) because where i live in the us gets no events
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I believe cheating is only acceptable in a few cases:



Events/Version-Exclusive Pokemon You Somehow Can't Find: You can't really complete the Pokedex without these Pokemon, and not all Trainers have an equal chance to even get them legit from events (i.e., U.S. trainers currently can't get legit Celebi at all, unlike players in Japan) Plus, it's not fair if some people live minutes away from event cities like NYC when others have to travel hundreds of miles just to obtain a few pieces of data that can easily be lost (no offense to Pokemon). But we really wouldn't have to cheat for these event Pkmn if the Pokemon were made available at the game store, or if they were offered on Wi-Fi with certain in-game requirements.

Lastly, if you can't find/no one's providing you a specific Pokemon, as with Kisame's Larvitar example earlier, then cheating for that is valid as well.

Besides these reasons, cheating simply for things like max stats or illegal abilities and movesets is just wrong.

(Sorry if it seems like I'm rambling or something; just wanted to get my point across!)
I'm glad i live in NJ i lost my gamestop deoxys from the nintendo world store at NYC
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Old August 2nd, 2008 (12:24 PM).
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I only use my ar for items like repels,idk even how you put new codes on the thing,and you can get a legit celebi from....i believe colleseum,when you complete the game
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I only use my ar for items like repels,idk even how you put new codes on the thing,and you can get a legit celebi from....i believe colleseum,when you complete the game
On Bulbapedia, I read that it was only possible to get a legit Celebi in the Japanese version
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I think that if you DESPERATELY need a pokemon, AR hacking is completely acceptable, as long as you don't give it like stupidly high stats!
GTS cloning's also acceptable
but giving pokemon a ridiculous moveset or awfully high stats is total cheating and whoever does it is a n00b :)
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The only ARing I agree with is Cloning and possibly the event Items (azure flute ect.)
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Another kind of hacking that I consider OK is catching any Pokémon with 31 IVs in all stats, but only to be used for Breeding, since the hatched Pokémon will be completely legit.
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I believe cheating is only acceptable in a few cases:

Backup Pokemon: I've lost 2 Pokemon Sapphire carts and 1 Pokemon Emerald save file (the cart dislodged while the game was saving before a Secret Base battle, which erased the file instead of corrupting it like usual :(). All 3 files had many legit Lv.100 Pokemon on them. It wouldn't really be fair to force someone to catch and retrain all of those Pokemon if they've actually done the legit training before (and if some of those Pkmn were from Events). Now, it's unpractical, but if someone wrote down the stats, IVs, nature, etc. of their Pokemon in case they lost their file, they can justifiably reclaim their lost Pokemon using AR or Pokesav if they did happen to lose their file.


Lastly, if you can't find/no one's providing you a specific Pokemon, as with Kisame's Larvitar example earlier, then cheating for that is valid as well.

Besides these reasons, cheating simply for things like max stats or illegal abilities and movesets is just wrong.

(Sorry if it seems like I'm rambling or something; just wanted to get my point across!)
Err, no, any hacking of any pokemon is illegit. Even if you /had/ that pokemon and one time, it'd still be hacked, and thus you'd not be allowed to use it on wifi against people.

Also, it really isn't that hard to find any pokemon to breed with, if you feel you need to hack a pokemon in order to breed, you probably shouldn't be attempting to breed.

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Another kind of hacking that I consider OK is catching any Pokémon with 31 IVs in all stats, but only to be used for Breeding, since the hatched Pokémon will be completely legit.
No, it won't, it'd be semi legit, and plus most people who breed competitively will not accept it at all and shun you from their ranks, for that makes breeding way to easy to do if you start with a 31/31/31/31/31/31 pokemon. That's like not worth breeding then.
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I only consider AR CLONING acceptable, since i trade them all the time.
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I only consider AR CLONING acceptable, since i trade them all the time.
Eh? There's cloning code for AR? I didn't know that! BTW what's the code
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NO NO NO it is like cheating and i alwayed hated cheating it takes the fun out of everything My cuz is a hacker and i hate he give me pokemon and there on really high levels so i relase them because then i feel like i cheated soyes im againts hacking and i do not see the point just play why cheat it is just being lazy
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Err, no, any hacking of any pokemon is illegit. Even if you /had/ that pokemon and one time, it'd still be hacked, and thus you'd not be allowed to use it on wifi against people.
But, if you actually took the time to hatch and train the Pokemon legitimately to Lv. 100, and if you recorded its stats and other info for backup purposes only, that should justify 'hacking' it in if you lose your save file or cart on accident. If you have the original Pokemon, then you should use that Pkmn only, and only 'clone' it if it is accidentally deleted. But if your file got deleted since you used AR for Max Stats or whatever, then you don't really have an excuse to backup Pkmn.
It would be really annoying if you had to waste time manually train the exact same Pokemon again with the Elite 4 just because of a game error (which Ash and co. don't even have to deal with!) The time you used up training the Pkmn you recaught could be used to train other Pkmn.

With Wi-Fi battling usage, etc., if you have a 'cloned' Pkmn because you lost your legit trained one, and the clone has the exact same stats, IVs, nature, and ability as the lost legit one, that should justify the situation. With the method the Pkmn was obtained, the backup identical Pkmn has been undeniably hacked into the game, but it is only meant to rectify an accidental loss of data that can't be undone (technology simply has errors we sometimes can't control)/replace the lost legit Pkmn which was actually obtained through legit means. So, backup Pkmn should be allowed in this case.
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I live in England and have no easy way of gaining event pokemon is my getting the event code on action replay.
i also use AR for master balls and rare candies, which i only use for trading when i need a level 40 pokemon and mine is level 20.
surely thats okay because people can breed the pokemon and get lv. 1 pokemon anyway.
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In all cases I prefer it completely legit. But, sometimes I don't mind if they're hacked in some way or another.
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Old August 3rd, 2008 (9:03 AM). Edited August 3rd, 2008 by Postman.
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The only hacks I say are.

Preset IVs and Over 510 EVs oh and Illegal Ability and Moveset.
Only hacks :)

But dont trade hacked events !!!
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