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Old August 4th, 2008 (8:06 AM).
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Roserade (F) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 4 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Sleep Powder
- Toxic Spikes
- Leaf Storm
- Hidden Power [Fire]

Great lead, gets stuff to sleep, gets Toxic Spikes down. Leaf Storm is for a powerful STAB and HP Fire is to take out those nasty steel types. I've been considering HP Ground for the ever-obvious Heatran switch in but HP Fire seems to work. Focus Sash is to assure it gets something to sleep at least in case the opposing lead is faster or has a lum berry.

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Scizor (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Technician
EVs: 232 HP/252 Atk/24 Def
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Roost
- Quick Attack
- X-Scissor

This is Technician Scizor and it is amazing. SD+Quick Attack from a Technician boost does a lot more damage than you might think. X-Scissor is for STAB but I've been considering Brick Break to deal with Magnezone better. He also lures out the fire attacks to give Heatran a potential flash fire boost.

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Heatran (M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 4 Atk/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Fire Blast
- Earth Power
- Explosion
- Hidden Power [Ice]

ScarfTran is pretty awesome. Gave it maximum speed and a Timid nature and the rest is pretty standard. Explosion for those annoying as hell Blissey's.

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Garchomp (F) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 4 Def/252 Atk/252 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Stone Edge
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- Flamethrower

Scarfchomp is a good and evil Pokémon. Its basically Outrage to anything except steels and some other things.

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Suicune @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP/156 Spd/100 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Substitute
- Calm Mind
- Surf
- Ice Beam

Sub-Cune is absolutely amazing. I've been considering HP Electric over Ice Beam for Taunt Gyarados but right now it seems to be working fine.
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Deoxys-e @ Life Orb
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 4 Atk/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Naive nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Superpower
- Ice Beam
- Shadow Ball
- Thunderbolt

This is your late-game cleaner and arguably one of the best at it. I went with Shadow Ball over Psychic STAB because this teams has some issues with Life Orb Azelf. After Toxic Spikes damage and everyone else wearing it down Deoxys comes out and just rips teams apart.
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Old August 4th, 2008 (8:19 AM). Edited August 4th, 2008 by Dark Azelf.
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Roserade (F) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 4 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Sleep Powder
- Toxic Spikes
- Leaf Storm
- Hidden Power [Fire]

Cool, just watch out for taunt leads and stuff.

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Scizor (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Technician
EVs: 232 HP/252 Atk/24 Def
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Roost
- Quick Attack
- X-Scissor

k.

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Heatran (M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 4 Atk/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Fire Blast
- Earth Power
- Explosion
- Hidden Power [Ice]

fine =p.


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Garchomp (F) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 4 Def/252 Atk/252 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Stone Edge / Toxic
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast

I really do prefer Toxic on this guy, as its very easily walled. Toxic shuts down Cressy, Hippow, Gliscor etc =)

Fire Blast >> Flamethrower so you can do more than 2 to zong lol.


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Suicune @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP/156 Spd/100 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Substitute
- Calm Mind
- Surf
- Ice Beam

Awesome poke
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Deoxys-e @ Life Orb
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 4 Atk/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Naive nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Superpower
- Ice Beam
- Shadow Ball / Psychic
- Thunderbolt

I wouldnt say you have Azelf problems, Heatran resists pretty much everything on its set.


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Comments in bold, looks pretty decent.

Although Scizor..meh, im sure you could find something that sweeps better than that...
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Old August 4th, 2008 (8:32 AM).
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Scizor is good when it has at least 2 SDs then it can flawless sweep. Only thing that might wall that is a Steel type like Skarm or a phazer like Weezing. For the other guys like Garchomp I agree. I hate when he gets walled down. I'll add toxic.

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This is a pretty good team actually. I don't see any glaring weakness so if used right, this is a team I would hate to go up against. Scizor is obviously not as sexy as some of the other pokemon but I suppose anything that's non-gyarados/garchomp would be a breath of fresh air in terms of physical sweeper. And if you can set up 2 SD's, think of the chaos a gyarados can cause after 2 DD's? You wouldn't need a first strike move after 2 DD's either. But I don't want to advocate using a pokemon that's on almost every team now..
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Quick Attacking Scizor attacks first so a Gyara thinking it would be a good time to set up would die if Scizor got 2 SDs in.
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my money would be on gyarados in a 1 on 1 situation still. taunt stops whatever attempt scizor has of setting up.

of course i was talking more about what they can do for your team though. a 2DD gyarados is probably going to do more for you than 2SD scizor.
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Certainly Gyara would win 1 on 1.

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Since you have Jolly Garchomp, I wouldn't be confident with Fire Blast as a move. Fire Fang>>> Fire Blast IMO.
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You rely too heavily on Scizor getting in 2 SD's, it likely won't, and the minute you go for an SD (or the minute you switch in Scizor) your opponent will bring in a phazer or an automatic counter, something there's an abundance of. I'd get a better, non-Choice physical sweeper, bulky too, since all of your sweepers are quite frail, no, scratch that, the entire team is frail.

Salamence @ Leftovers
Jolly
212 HP/24 Att/196 Def/76 Spe
Roost
Dragon Claw
Dragon Dance
Earthquake

This will offer a very nice bulky sweeper, sure, it adds another ice weakness, but Suicune is beastly. You could also opt for Metagross.
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I don't mostly depend on Scizor I just say that at times it is depenable.
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Status aliments can screw with the team. I.e. T-Wave Cresselia and Bliss stand out. CroCune >>> SubCune could help out against both.


Suicune @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP/232 Def/26 SDef
Nature: Calm (+SDef, -Atk)
-Calm Mind
-Sleep Talk
-Surf
-Rest


And I'm sure Scizor could have another in it's place. Maybe if you do not wish to switch up Suicune's set, try a status absorbing Heracross:

Heracross @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Guts
EVs: 6 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Nature: Adamant (+Atk, -SAtk)
-Megahorn
-Close Combat
-Stone Edge

-Sleep Talk


Two Choice Scarfs seem redundant, but at least this can help stimulate some ideas.

But if switching up Suicune is to your liking, you could also try Lucario in place of Scizor:

Lucario @ Life Orb
Ability: Inner Focus
EVs: 6 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Nature: Adamant (+Atk, -SAtk)
-Sword Dance
-Close Combat
-ExtremeSpeed

-Crunch/Stone Edge


And I'm not trying to imply that Scizor needs to be replaced, he just seems to be the weakest link seeing that others might play his roll better.

I also second Dark Azelf's mention for Fire Blast on Chomp.
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Or he could take a status absorber and physical sweeper and use Machamp, who is well supported by this team.
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Deoxys-e, ScarfChomp, ScarfTran? Geez, you like speed and revenge kills. o_o

You mention how Scizor is so deadly with Swords Dance... Well, I have to second Lucario as SmashGood suggested, just give it a try. Lucario has other viable options with Crunch/Bullet Punch (Your preference) along with the staple Close Combat, it can shred teams in half. It may not have roost, but it definitely has more power, in my opinion.

You could try Salamence over Garchomp, as Vance said. Providing extra resistances and immunities. You have enough speed bro, I think you could focus more on some raw power. Offensive teams aren't always beating your opponent with sheer quickness, you need the power, and ability to switch. Both of which, Salamence can provide.

So, all in all, you could put Salamence over Garchomp, Lucario over Scizor. Just some suggestions I think deserve an attempt over Shoddy, the more testing, the better you can become/change. :D And with Lucario, of course, that's another thing to slaughter Blissey... So you don't have to necessarily blow up on it with Tran.

Good luck with the team.
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Definitely Salamence > Scizor. As it stands now Luke and Hera can wreak massive havoc on your team and Salamence helps prevent that to a degree. I would recommend Mixmence:

Salamence @ Life Orb
Rash, 252 SpA/252 Speed/4 Attack

Draco Meteor
Fire Blast
Brick Break
Roost

Next I would advise you making Suicune into a RestTalker with a defensive build, Surf / Ice Beam / Rest / Sleep Talk, it is your only insurance against Garchomp and your team needs the extra defenses.

For Roserade you should always TSpikes first, only if the opponent is carrying a pokemon that commonly holds Lum Berry, such as Bronzong, then you Sleep it.
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