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Old August 9th, 2008 (2:21 PM).
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I used tho think exactly like that, like people here took the game too seriously but really when you do EV train and IV breed you get the most out of the game, and it helps to know that your pokmon can do some serious damage in standard play. It can also be fun to get a large amount of EVd pokemon and shinies so if you consider this, youll have more fun
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Old August 9th, 2008 (3:22 PM).
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I find EV and Nature hard to learn, but i guess it can give you an edge. What ever floats your boat! I like trading the pokemon.
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Old August 9th, 2008 (4:21 PM).
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Ever heard of Chainchomp? Granted, it doesn't use Mdest nature (it uses Rash or Mild), but a Special attacking Garchomp can be useful, even if it's mainly for the surprise factor.
I have indeed heard of Chainchomp, but as you said, they run Mild or Rash. Why? Because to cause damage they still rely partially on Earthquake and Swords Dance, making them more mixed than Special. Never have I seen a completely Special Chompy, so until someone uses one to great effect, my point stands.
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Okay. I dont think you guys understand what i was asking\saying. I was asking if people still played for the fun of it, and i said i dont have a problem with Ev training and Iv Breeding. I didnt mean to offend some of you, but i was just expressing my opinion.
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Old August 10th, 2008 (1:34 PM).
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I play it for fun. But I don't want to restart and replay the entire game all over again, so I simply breed and train.
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Old August 10th, 2008 (2:12 PM).
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Well, the game is fun anyway, and technically I play every game for fun! ^_^
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I play Pokemon for the sake of playing the game. the whole EV Training and IV Stats can be annoying when you want to trade, but some one is like I want a garchomp w/ Rash nature, with good IV's in Attk and Spec Attk and all you want is something like a Lunatone. Dude if you want that, then go catch and train one yourself!

Another thing is whenyou battle someone and they don't say they're team is EV trained. and they completely sweep you and say, " you got fing Swept and pwned, pretty sweet huh?" No, not really, there is nothing fun about battling and not being able to attack you what so ever. if your point is to sweep people, there is no competetion in it at all, So what the F?

And ooooooh, don't even get me started on Shinies, outside of being rare, there is nothing special about them. They don't get better stats, moves or anything else.
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Another thing is whenyou battle someone and they don't say they're team is EV trained. and they completely sweep you and say, " you got fing Swept and pwned, pretty sweet huh?" No, not really, there is nothing fun about battling and not being able to attack you what so ever. if your point is to sweep people, there is no competetion in it at all, So what the F?
First off, it's implied that an opponent's team is EV trained, because it's implied that the opponent doesn't suck. Just because you're a bad trainer doesn't mean there's no competition in battling. >:(

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That's the entire point of shinies. They're rare. Think of them as 'hunting trophies'.
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What is IV and EV training?
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IVs and EVs are hidden values that each Pokemon have that can give huge bonuses to each stat. Of course, that's the basic outline- if you want more information, read the Compiled Guides.
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I agree, I don't really know about or keep track of ev's and iv's. I just play for the fun of it.
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I just play for the underground (guess i'm a bit of a Ruin Maniac? (he he he)), but when I play the full game, I usually just train my Pokémon. I do breed an extreme lot of Cranidos (currently 2 1/2 boxes full of Cranidos eggs) for Natures, but all in all, I'm a bit of both.
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"Strong Pokémon. Weak Pokémon. That is only the selfish perception of people. Truly skilled trainers should try to win with their favorites. I like your style. You understand what's important. Go on--the Champion is waiting."
Hmm...I really like that quote! When I started getting involved in Pokemon (in Gen. 3), I just played for the fun of it, battling through the Pokemon League. I just caught Pokemon to have 'em; regarding natures, either I just caught the Pokemon as is or determined the nature based on its appearance. With "EV training", I just gave my Pkmn 10 of each vitamin, then I just trained them to Lv. 100. I figured once I maxed out on vitamins and training, my Pkmn were as strong as they could be. But then I learned the true extents of IVs, EVs, and nature choosing.
I'm sorta okay with "Engineering" for good IVs and natures , but the game gets less fun, since you don't really meet Pkmn by 'fate' (taking 'em as is) but by engineering (only accepting Pkmn that fit certain parameters). For example, if neglecting a Slaking's Atk is considered a "bad decision", that means any Slaking with an Attack-hindering nature would never be chosen for competitiveness, only by 'fate' if you take what you get (which happened to be an Atk-deficient Slaking). If you equate it to real life, it'd mean that even if you try your absolute best at something (like a contest), if you don't fit certain parameters, you'll never win the contest unless there's a fluke/lucky break that occurs in judging that just happens to allow you to win.
This is why I just hate it when fully-trained terrible IVs Pokemon face off against fully-trained max IVs, because the bad-IV Pkmn have THE lowest chance ever of winning. These bad-IV Pkmn need battles to be drawn out to either inflict sufficient damage, freeze/paralyze the foe consistently for easy damage, or allowing Toxic or Roar/Spikes to take their full effects (ignoring EVs and movesets, which are up to personal decisions).

Anyway, trying to stay on topic, just playing through the game to become the Pkmn League Champion, catch all of the Pokemon, and complete the sidequests seem enough reason to play the game just for fun. The concepts of IVs and EVs have the potential to add even more fun, if you like competition or just wanna get through the Battle Tower!

With the concept of favorites, sure, I'll probably have 1 or 2 teams full of favorites when battling. But to add more variety, I'll usually mix around faves and non-faves in my team, regardless of tiers, stats, whatever. It makes the game a bit more 'fun' when battling with other ppl, because since your team is unpredictable, you always have the 'element of surprise' and you're always in for a surprise! You have 493 different possibilities for a single foe, and 14,357,588,953,446,649 different possibilities for someone's party (hopefully I did the math right for that permutation/combination!)

Basically, in the end, Pokemon is an awesome and fun RPG that everyone can get enjoyment from, regardless of personal training methods, battle or collection preferences.

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Yes i do still put i am mostly filling my National dex and iv breeding,i only ev train my poke's now though.As iv'e done nearly all the battle's in the game..
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Yes i do still put i am mostly filling my National dex and iv breeding,i only ev train my poke's now though.As iv'e done nearly all the battle's in the game..
I know isnt it so fulfilling when you get a good breed, or soft resetting for shiny egg pokemon.
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Yes it is.But i don't Shiny hatch SR i just iv and nature breed though.
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I had to breed a shiny lucario and it took 8 hours but it was fun in the end.
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I've always only played for fun, I could care less whether i'm good at wi-fi battles or anything else, i train because it makes me happy and its addicting.
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I've always only played for fun, I could care less whether i'm good at wi-fi battles or anything else, i train because it makes me happy and its addicting.
You must mean training as in leveling up. Also what can be addicting is getting into contests.
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You must mean training as in leveling up. Also what can be addicting is getting into contests.
Yeah I meant leveling up, sry :P and yeah pokemon contest are pretty sweet too.... though i always lose..
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Yeah I meant leveling up, sry :P and yeah pokemon contest are pretty sweet too.... though i always lose..
I dont lose pokemon contests very often because its my passion. My main pokemon are My shiny roselia and Milotic.
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How did you get a shiny roselia?
Chaining. It was actually a Budew from route 404 or whatever the route that ends in 04 is. Ive got a lot of shines actually.
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I don't care... I only participate Super Contest... Now I finished my Pokedex, the only thing to do is keep earning ribbons and EV training.
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As i think EV training is a tough and tiring thing to do, it is also quite rewarding. The enjoyment of doing it, the experience you get when doing it and, of course how great you feel after working so hard and getting a goal done xD

I love EV training, it makes me a better battler, but i always make sure i have fun while EV training xD
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