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Old August 29th, 2008 (7:52 AM). Edited August 29th, 2008 by sims796.
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I had meant to bump up my old thread with these changes (within the rules, of course), but I didn't feel like it. I'll just repost the team & it's changes.


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Nature:Timid
Leaf Storm
Grass Knot
Dragon Pulse/Hidden Power [ICE]
Focus Blast
EV:6 Def, 252 Sp.Atk, 252 Spd

I've decided to forgo both Raichu & Flygon for this. He makes an awesome specs user, and a Choice Specs Leaf Storm can ravage many speedy sweepers that I couldn't handle otherwise. It OHKO's Azelf, even Garchomp. The rest of the moves are for coverage. Hidden Power [DARK] is for ghosts & Psychics,such as Celebii switch ins, & Gengar. Dragon Pulse & HP [ICE] are for other dragons, specifically, Mence & Dragontite. Focus Blast is for normal types, & Steels, although it's too shakey to rely on. If I get HP [FIRE], Steel types will be much less scary. I lose Blissey coverage, but I can just switch to Plume or Lucario & be done with her. Grass Knot for the same thing as SpecsMence, with Less coverage :/


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Nature:Impish
Leaf Blade
Protect
Wish
Roar
EV:252 HP, 20 Atk, 232 Def

He will get switched out, since I can't have half my team made of grass, although the other half covers their weaknesses. I might swap him out for Bronzong.

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Gyro Ball
Stealth Rock
Light Screen
Earthquake/Hypnosis
EV:Can't remember, but rest assured, he's EV trained in all the right places for this set :)


Or Torterra.


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Nature:Careful
Rest
SleepTalk
Body Slam
Crunch/EQ
EV:244 HP, 20 Def, 236 Sp.Def

I love Grumpig, but his Shadow Ball weakness was too much. So I'm using him. Now, here is the dilema. Should I go EQ, since Heatran gives me issues, or Crunch, for Gengar? Granted, Plume can put it to sleep, but hax is a...I drop it there, because I'm gonna curse hax out so much, I'll get banned. So, HP Dark may be able to handle Gengar, on Sceptile.


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Nature:Adamant
Swords Dance
Close Combat
X Speed
Crunch
EV:252 Atk, 252 Spe,6 Def

According to the last thread, this one point in defence will make all the difference in the world, no questions asked. And Vance was rite for calling me foolish. With this one point, I will be able to survive a Garchomp's SD Earthquake, no exceptions. Standard SD Luke (point in defense!), so yeah.


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Nature:Calm
Aromatherapy
Sludge Bomb
Sleep Powder
Leech Seed
EV: 244 HP, 142 Sp.Def, 52 Sp.Atk, 36 Def

Excuse me if I effed up on the EVs, but you get what I'm saying. He works out great, but hax really kills him, and I am sick of it.


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Nature:Adamant
Waterfall
Stone Edge/IceFang
Dragon Dance
Taunt
EV:216 HP, 16 Atk, 132 Def, 144 Spe.

Defensive Gya. If you don't know the bulkydos spread, don't rate, you stupid noob. If you can't remember, go the the place where it tells you, but I'm not writing it here.

Using D_A's spread, seems sound.


There we go. I'm a tad Mixape weaker now, so I might need help there. I'm willing to replace my wall for his demise.
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Nature:Timid
Leaf Storm
Grass Knot
Dragon Pulse/Hidden Power [ICE]
Focus Blast//Hidden Power [FIRE]
EV:6 Def, 252 Sp.Atk, 252 Spd


Yes



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Nature:Careful
Rest
SleepTalk
Body Slam
Crunch
EV:244 HP, 20 Def, 236 Sp.Def

Use crunch as Heatran is doing ass to you anyways outside of Metal Sound and boom, both can be outpredicted via going to Dos anyways. And gengar can sub punch and Focus Blast you, which is more threatening ^_^.Besides Heatran wont like the paralysis rate of BS and Crunch def drops anyways.



[email protected] Sludge
Nature:Calm
Energy Ball / Stun Spore / Toxic
Sludge Bomb
Sleep Powder
Leech Seed
EV: 244 HP, 142 Sp.Def, 52 Sp.Atk, 36 Def


You really dont need Aroma with a status absorbing lax.



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Stone Edge/IceFang
Dragon Dance
Taunt
216 HP / 16 ATT / 132 DEF / 144 SPEED.

k, outruns Mixape and gengar after a DD which will help in that aspect.




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I did not realize that at all, D_A,and you've really opened my eyes.

Just kidding, j00 sux.

Just kidding again.

Seriously, your Vileplume hint (& Snorlax) was the most important thus far. & Sceptile, but I was gonna do that anyway. I just chain-bred Grass Knot to him, & I ain't throwing it away for HP Dark >=[

I had not realized that Lax was my team's Status Absorber, despite how much I liaks Aromatherapy (I really do liak it). So, I might either go for Stun Spore on Plume >Therapy, or just use Hidden Power for a while. It's HP Psychic, by the way. Just for lulz.

Or Lucky Chant. :laugh:

No, no, just Stun Spore. If Gengar is paralyzed, then even my Lucario can wipe it out.

EDIT: I'm also going with that Gya spread, exactly what I was looking for.
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Damn, it's not Zapdos weak. :(

The team looks great, and even though there's 3 grass types, you can work around their weaknesses with Snorlax (Fire, Ice) and Gyarados and Lucario (Bug) Defensively, it's sheerly solid, and it's got great offrense.

Use Crunch on Snorlax. It'll help you A LOT in stall battles (lowering your foes defense AND paralysing them is a huge bonus) Plus it covers up a Gengar weak you sort of have. I also prefer HP Ice > Dragon Pulse. It lets you hit more for Super Effective, plus Focus Blast and Grass Knot is essential.

Overall it's a great, fun team. No glaring weaknesses, and if there are any problems, you'll find them out via battling.
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Ok, so after a few shoddy tests, my team proves to hold up fairly well. Granted, most of the tests were pretty shabby. A few were glitchy, some were haxy, & I can't seem to remember when my #$%[email protected]!% Gyarados is asleep. But those aside, I've decided on these changes-

-Vileplume will keep Aromatherapy, at least until I get used to the whole Resttalk thing
-I might replace Leafeon, but I love his PHazing abilities. Maybe I could replace Gyarados for a SR starter, but who? Bronzong? It must also be good at stopping Weavile. Perhaps Forretress? He's always great. Plus, I'll have a spinnar.
-Sceptile will hold Wise Glasses. Well, not really, but that @&$^@*)[email protected]! miss really pissed me off.
-If I don't replace Gya (might), Ice Fang would come into his moveset, to better counter dragons.

Are these good? I've asked a few others for help, but they were useless, so I'm asking here.


EDIT:I might replace Gya for Forretress. Don't see that often. It might have

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Gyro Ball/Earthquake
Stealth Rock/Toxic Spikes
Light Screen
Rapid Spin
EV:252 HP, 52 Atk,200 Def

Light Screen for extra support against Magnezone, & Leftovers for MAXIMUM EFFECT. I usually hate Toxic Spikes, cause I'm paranoid about Guts abusers, but I'll man up, since Toxic Spikes can greatly imporve this team. Plus, he walls Hera pretty well. Flyers aren't a main problem, so I could opt for Earthquake over Gyro Ball, since it has more PP.
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I'd honestly get rid of Sceptile and use Foretress. Your team isn't slow, but it isn't fast either. You could scarf something, but I don't know what. Gengar could be a nice addition. It offers a fighting immunity, normal immunity, and a ground immunity. Zam packs more power, but Gengar has more chances to switch in.

Gengar @ Choice Scarf
Timid
252 SpA/252 Spe/6 HP
Shadow Ball
Focus Blast
Thunderbolt/Hypnosis
HP Ice/Hypnosis

Could be your lead. Opt for Hypnosis if leading, since an early sleep will help. I don't really see Forry's place on this team, but it could work in theory. I would advise against Rapid Spin though. A lot of your team isn't affected by SR (Lucario 4x resists it) Gyara is the only thing that it hurts. T-Spikes is absorbed by Plume, and Spikes is just lol. Use T-Spikes/EQ/Stealth Rock/Light Screen for maximum entry hazard damage.

ScarfGar
Forry
Gyara
Luke
Plume
Lax

Could be your lineup.
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Not a bad plan. But I was honestly hoping for a more "passive aggressive" role, know what I mean? So far, other than those three shoddy matches, Sceptile has been doing well, as it outspeeds lead poriemanz, & takes down what I really need it to, like Azelf. However, in shoddy, I never used it much because - this is a little embarassing- I forget I have him. Seriously,I wish they had something other than just little bubbles. =/

I usually wear my opponents down, but it works so much better with a screen &, you know, a freakin' entry hazard. Seriously, why do I have Leafeon, but no dang Stealth Rock/Toxic Spikes? Don't make no kind of sense.

I wanted to replace Gya for Forry because he opens entry hazards, while resisting the exact same things. Hera & Weavile, especially Weavile, aren't much of a threat with Forry here, while he is free to set up rocks& Spikes.

However, although I won't be using it (I already bred for an HP ICE Sceptile with Flawless speed, so frack that), Gengar is a great suggestion. & that Rapid Spin tibit really helped as well, so Rapid Spin goes.
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sims didn't like T_S' Gyarados set in the previous thread....

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No, it's not that, but last thread, I had Grumpig, remember? With Lax here, well, I don't wan't two restalkers...

But I might lose him for an entry starter anywho.
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Hmm...You COULD get rid of Snorlax and sweeper Gyara, and use Rest-Talk Gyara. That allows you to use SpecsTile as well.
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If you took time to even notice, all three grass types do very different jobs =/
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? Sweeper Gya? He's only Bulky to stop Weavile raepage. & I need Lax, to, um, you know...prevent special raepage.

What threatens my team so much?

EDIT:Always beginners on my threads =/ Seriously, Snorlax takes all my Grass weaknesses, as do Gya/Forry.
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Salac Chomp or ScarfChomp gives you a heap of problems, but ScarfGar can easily revenge kill it. I strongly suggest it.
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Choice Band Snorlax >>> Resttalk Lax.
Resttalk Gyara >>> BulkyGyara.

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ScarfChomp gets stopped hard by Forry, Gya, & Leafeon, especially since it runs by prediction. Salac is nearly the same, cept Gya forces him to lose Attack, & Leafeon can just Roar his boosts away. At least those that lacks Fire Blast. I haven't seen those lately, for some reason.

CB Lax doesn't stop Gengar though, rite? I need a special wall here, & CB makes me remove HP EVs vital for MAXIMUM SURIVAL!!!!! Yeah.

But the reason I might lose Gyarados because I want some Toxic Spikes.
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Are you serious? CB Lax DOESN'T stop Gengar? O_O

It dominates it...Especially if Gyarados is asleep. Pursuit plox?

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LO Focus Blast 2HKOs CBLax, or almost every other Snorlax for that matter.
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No, I was asking, not stating. Besides, CB takes more prediction, & I already have Specstile. I don't want two Choice items. If I must choose between CBLax & CSpTile, then Tile wins >=[

Besides, as I said three times...I want to REPLACE Gya altogether, NOT redo him. I want something that can set up an enrty hazard, AND wall the same way. Mainly, Weavile.

EDIT:Gengar is usually Timid, right? Unless I did some calcs wrong, LO FB does about

Damage: 208 - 244
Damage: 39.85% - 46.74%

To my Restlax.
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Then just Forry. It handles Blissey. You could use the set you posted, or maybe add Rest since Plume will be Aromatherapying.
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If I decided to keep Leafeon, he could just Wishpass to Forry. Rest is still an option, but two pokes with Rest...
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44.4444% - 52.49042%

To CBLax it would deal:

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I don't see where I screwed up on the calcs, but I believe you. Regardless, I already agree that I cannot really rely on CB Lax to wall. Sooo...I really wanted to know if Forry could be a suitible replacement for Gya, & if I am threatend by any other sweeps.
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Well, Gyarados is your fighting resist and without that, you know what im going to say.....Lucario, Hera, Machamp etc. Just bear that in mind...
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THAT's what I wanted to know, the major flaws of swapping Gya. Well, I'll keep thinking of a good fighting resist who can set up a layer of rocks, so when Leafeon PHazes, I can use Stealth Rock to my advantage.
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