US Elections 2008: Debate the Issues Page 10

Started by Netto Azure September 2nd, 2008 5:39 PM
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Which party are you voting for? (If you could vote...) Foreigners are welcomed.

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Anywho.....

What I just love about McCain is that:

About 90% of his commercials just bash Obama and say what Obama wont do. But still wont say what McCain will do.

Don't be naive, both candidates are doing equal amounts of bashing...That's all that this campaign has been so far. You're telling me that Obama is not bashing McCain in his ads? Have you even seen any of these adds?

McCain says he is against lobbyists. While, all of his advisers are lobbyists. :\

Haha, nice point. Proof is always good instead of just spewing random facts out.

McCain voted with Bush on economic issues. Also with things like privatizing social secrurity. Which would cause basically anyone over 75 years old to become poor.

Do you even understand the social security situation? How would privatizing social security cause the elderly to become poor? Social Security funds are being used on other spending, NO ONE is getting their SS money, so if the elderly aren't getting the money in the first place, it's not really an issue....
McCain will be a Bush. Although I will say McCain > Bush....Everyone > Bush. :] (Also to all those idiots, being imprisoned during war is NOT a qualification to be president. His senate terms are. So stop saying "WELL HE WAS IMPRISONED IN VIETNAM" or you will get a "WELL MY FOOT IS IN YOUR EYE")
McCain will be a Bush? Just like that? Please.....Iraq? The environment? Immigration? Do you even look at the issues, or are you just echoing the liberal media?

His time in Vietnam was a defining moment in his life and shaped him as a politician. No one is saying that being a POW qualifies you to be president. However, the character and resolve that he gained during this time is DEFINITELY a qualification.

At least Obama isn't a hypocrite and says what he will do.
Ahahaha, I could have so much fun with this. But there's so many ways that Barack Obama is a hypocrite, I'd get tired of listing all of them...

You really need to stop saying random stuff and expect people to believe them. Unfortunately, just by reading what you say, people will automatically assume it's the truth. No politician is entirely truthful about their policies, making them all hypocrites. Obama is no different.



Obama all the way. Why?

He actually says what he WILL do.

That's such a horrible point. Both of them are doing the exact same thing in their campaigns, how the heck are you drawing any differences between the truth in their words? Are you really that naive about this election?

He doesn't spend 99% of his life just bashing the other candidates.

Again, BOTH candidates are bashing, not just one.

He isn't Bush.

Not really a point at all. Of course he's not Bush, he's a Democrat, and that's up for scrutiny as well.

He wont spend 12 billion dollars a month on a quite possibly endless war.

But he'll spend billions in Afghanistan, is that really a better alternative in your view?

Oh, and he has common sense. That is always fun.

That's not an intelligent comment at all
The only thing I can draw from all of your comments is that you are incredibly caught up in the liberal media's message. Every single one of your points was an echo of everything that the media is saying about McCain. Don't believe everything you hear dude. Get educated on the issues, and stop spewing out those random facts, and we could actually debate some of your points if you backed them up....

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The Election is rigged anyway but I'm voting for Obama.
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The Election is rigged anyway but I'm voting for Obama.
Haha, so true. I can't vote yet (lame) but me and my family are all proud supporters of Obama. Personally, I love his view on getting off our dependence on foreign oil and start investing on alternative sources of energy. And tomorrow, there's a meeting in a school near my house where Obama supporters are supposed to go canvassing. And I'm going.

EDIT: @ Aurasphere: My definition of rigged is when a candidate wins the popular vote but not the electoral vote, which is what really matters. Or when something occurs to interfere with the votes of the election. Ex: Election 2000, Gore won the popular vote but not the electoral vote. And the hanging chads on ballots were never counted, possibly stealing the election from Gore. Now tell me some things aren't rigged.

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Anywho.....





McCain will be a Bush? Just like that? Please.....Iraq? The environment? Immigration? Do you even look at the issues, or are you just echoing the liberal media?

The only thing McCain is different from Bush is that he actually has good environmental plans...to an extent..

His time in Vietnam was a defining moment in his life and shaped him as a politician. No one is saying that being a POW qualifies you to be president. However, the character and resolve that he gained during this time is DEFINITELY a qualification.

Because PTSD and the nuclear button go so well together. :3 Why don't we just throw in mobility issues, cancer and age in with it!

Ahahaha, I could have so much fun with this. But there's so many ways that Barack Obama is a hypocrite, I'd get tired of listing all of them...

Get tired.

You really need to stop saying random stuff and expect people to believe them. Unfortunately, just by reading what you say, people will automatically assume it's the truth. No politician is entirely truthful about their policies, making them all hypocrites. Obama is no different.


Hm, it isn't random judging how they are facts. Maybe YOU should pay more attention.


The only thing I can draw from all of your comments is that you are incredibly caught up in the liberal media's message. Every single one of your points was an echo of everything that the media is saying about McCain. Don't believe everything you hear dude. Get educated on the issues, and stop spewing out those random facts, and we could actually debate some of your points if you backed them up....
Please tell me where I said Obama doesn't bash. I just implied that McCain does it MORE.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/03/31/2008-03-31_key_mccain_advisors_were_lobbyists_for_s.html

Proof is fun! ^^

About me not knowing the issues, maybe you should look at them. Everything about the enviroment, economics, immigration all that fun stuff McCain voted FOR Bush's proposals on those issues.

Also, if SS is privatized, the person themselves will have to pay for it. Not the government. And most people can't pay for it. :\ Not everyone is rich.

Also, about half of your additions would be considered flaming. Have fun! :D

And, the common sense thing was supposed to be a joke. In case you didn't notice. :3

He will spend LESS THAN 12 BILLION in Afghanistan so yes, it is better.

And if you watch any of the speeches, you will see that all McCain does is say what Obama wont do. Actually, this debate is the first time I have actually heard him say a lot of things on what he is going to do.
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How would you call the election "rigged"? Specify....don't just say it's rigged and be done with it....
I think I know what he's talking about... I saw a program about this a few months ago.

I'm not entirely sure, because I only saw the program once, but there was a lot of evidence suggesting that the Republicans rigged some of the voting machines to count votes differently.

...You could look it up, if you're interested, because I don't know too much about it.
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On topic, I'm not old enough to vote but I'm 100% for Obama. McCain winning the election would be almost exactly like four more years of Bush...

I did watch the debate tonight, and tbh, I don't think anyone "won" it. I do, however, think that Obama sounded better, like he had all the facts more together than McCain. McCain was just too vague, and not sticking to the point.

...Yes. I'm done.
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How would you call the election "rigged"?
I believe he means the electoral college.

I watched the debate. The entire thing was just, Obama, "Something something something ..," McCain, "My opponent doesn't understand."
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The Electoral Collage does a fairly good job at representing the will of the people. It has only gone against the will of the people only four times in the history of the United Sates. Also I am posting the entire debate. The YouTube video is broken up into eleven parts. This video in this post is part one and the rest of the parts are accessible after part one is done.
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The debate was pure substance, no lipstick on whatever. It was of course expected that McCain is better on FP. Both candidates knew the facts ....But the economy is what on the voters minds right now and I think it was a draw.

Both candidates sidestepped the issue of which programs to cut due to the Wall. St. Bailout. Maybe on the next debate we'll find out more.

Loved it when Obama said: "this orgy of spending" Yes, I'm immature =P
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I thought the debate was disappointingly even. Obama looked presidential and had all the right ideas and stuff, but McCain kept sneering and interuppting him every two seconds to distort and oversimplify all of Obama's ideas, and so Obama naturally had to contest them all for being untrue and they both just ended up wasting lots of time. Obama's gotta be more forceful, which is an unfortunate requirement.

Here's hoping Biden rips Palin a new one next week.

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I thought the debate was disappointingly even. Obama looked presidential and had all the right ideas and stuff, but McCain kept sneering and interuppting him every two seconds to distort and oversimplify all of Obama's ideas, and so Obama naturally had to contest them all for being untrue and they both just ended up wasting lots of time. Obama's gotta be more forceful, which is an unfortunate requirement.

Here's hoping Biden rips Palin a new one next week.
Thoughts...

The interrupting looked real...Democrats in general should develop a backbone and retaliate to such smear campaigns. But the candidates have to look to the public as being above such partisanship due to the economic crisis....

Has anybody noticed that McCain didn't even look towards Obama throughout the debate...and kept on saying Sen. Obama (third-person)...just a thought on body language....

Can't wait to next weeks VP debates...Gwen Iffil's moderating, another PBS newscaster...I can trust that. Let's see how the "shapeshifting" VP's positions will be (Don't worry they'll be coached by the "best" political analysts of the campaigns.)

Also can't wait for the next Presidential Debate on the economy (Lucky they were able to squeeze in the economy last night. Many voters were looking forward on that.)

Unlike some other Presidential Debates there wasn't anything quotable from this one for History books nor the "funnies" both sticked to pure facts and their campaign points nothing on the change that the $700 Billion bailout of Wall.St on their proposed programs....

Except McCain's proposed Full spending freeze (that's new) except on defence, veterans benefits, forgot the last one...this was the only thing surprising....But there are other things that need work, not just foreign policy and defence since this is a Global Economy....
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF5Kdm4Eu6w
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF5Kdm4Eu6w
I remember that....it was during the primaries....I first found out about "The Onion" in USC during the "Youth Health Career Conference 2008." It was very funny...I actually took it seriously 'till the middle of the Parody Newspaper...=P I'm so gullible....LOL

Also anybody heard about DHS "hiring" the Muppets to warn us about the "evil doers" out there...No offence but that's just humourous...
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A little off-topic but:
Does any1 here actually find McCain to be a war hero? I dnt find anything heroic about bombing innocent civilian villages in 'nam.
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A little off-topic but:
Does any1 here actually find McCain to be a war hero? I dnt find anything heroic about bombing innocent civilian villages in 'nam.
That's a pretty ignorant statement, seeing as almost every single major war in world history has had civilian casualties. They are unavoidable. It's called war for a reason, and it's never fair for everyone. That being said, John McCain served in the Navy for many years and was a POW for six of them. He never gave up information that would compromise the U.S. war effort even after being tortured mercilessly. He sacrificed his own safety and well-being for the good of his fellow soldiers and his country, putting his life at risk, and doing so without hesitation. He exemplified what it truly means to be a soldier in the U.S. armed forces. Yes, John McCain is a war hero. What, may I ask, is your definition?

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I know he suffered alot in that POW hell for 6 years, and never tlked but the mission in 'nam was anything but heroic (look up the massacres of innocent viatnemese by american troops). Atleast in WW2 we were fighting a REAL threat (Nazis, Japan, etc.), but in 'nam to many ppl lost their lives in a conflict that had no real positive outcome (much like our "war on terror")
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I know he suffered alot in that POW hell for 6 years, and never tlked but the mission in 'nam was anything but heroic (look up the massacres of innocent viatnemese by american troops). Atleast in WW2 we were fighting a REAL threat (Nazis, Japan, etc.), but in 'nam to many ppl lost their lives in a conflict that had no real positive outcome (much like our "war on terror")
So let me get this straight, you are saying that terrorists are not a threat like the Germans and Japanese were during World War II. Did you forget about the September 11 attacks, the worse attack on American soil since Pearl Harbor.
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Theirs no just thing as a war hero. The first casualty of war is the truth. We don't go to war unless were tricked and you know what Nam wasn't met to be won it was met to go the distance. Wars are corporate lies and 911 was the biggest. No one benefited from it but the leaders in our country. It's ashame the Land of the Free became the Land of the Enslaved. I'd watch our flag burn for an hour before I saloot it again and guess what I was born and bread here. The American Dream is over, The American Nightmare as only just begun.
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Theirs no just thing as a war hero. The first casualty of war is the truth. We don't go to war unless were tricked and you know what Nam wasn't met to be won it was met to go the distance. Wars are corporate lies and 911 was the biggest. No one benefited from it but the leaders in our country. It's ashame the Land of the Free became the Land of the Enslaved. I'd watch our flag burn for an hour before I saloot it again and guess what I was born and bread here. The American Dream is over, The American Nightmare as only just begun.
That is absolutely sickening. SICKENING! It's you kind of people that should be ashamed to call yourself an American.

No such thing as a war hero? Have you no respect for the brave men and women who fight for our safety EVERY SINGLE DAY? Every single one of our soldiers who is fighting or has fought in any war that the US has been involved in is a hero in my opinion. It takes a special kind of person to lay their life on the line, putting the greater good of their country above themselves. I can't even fathom the INCREDIBLE amount of ignorance that must be inside that mind of yours for you to disrespect millions and millions of veterans that have fought and died to protect the very freedoms that you enjoy EVERY SINGLE DAY? HAVE YOU NO RESPECT? HAVE YOU NO THANKFULNESS? Are you not aware that if not for the US military, we would not even be alive right now? You think that wars are waged for corporate and government gain? You are so wrong, I can't even believe that I am typing this right now. You think that 9/11 and the current wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention every other war in modern US history, are/were fought so that Bush and the "evil" big business corporations can benefit? You and your twisted mind think that America is broken and twisted and a former shadow of the greatness that it once was?

I have one message for you and people that share your views: Leave. Get out of here. I for one am ashamed that we live in a country where our very own citizens think that our own government and military are scum. Move to Canada. Move to Europe. Move to freakin Antarctica for all I care. If America has become "The land of the Enslaved" how can you bear to live, benefit, and enjoy the freedom that you and your kind take for granted? You make me sick.

And at least use proper grammar when sharing your disgusting and vile opinions. I'm fairly sure "saloot" isn't a word, and "born and bread" is also pretty confusing.

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That is absolutely sickening. SICKENING! It's you kind of people that should be ashamed to call yourself an American.

No such thing as a war hero? Have you no respect for the brave men and women who fight for our safety EVERY SINGLE DAY? Every single one of our soldiers who is fighting or has fought in any war that the US has been involved in is a hero in my opinion. It takes a special kind of person to lay their life on the line, putting the greater good of their country above themselves. I can't even fathom the INCREDIBLE amount of ignorance that must be inside that mind of yours for you to disrespect millions and millions of veterans that have fought and died to protect the very freedoms that you enjoy EVERY SINGLE DAY? HAVE YOU NO RESPECT? HAVE YOU NO THANKFULNESS? Are you not aware that if not for the US military, we would not even be alive right now? You think that wars are waged for corporate and government gain? You are so wrong, I can't even believe that I am typing this right now. You think that 9/11 and the current wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention every other war in modern US history, are/were fought so that Bush and the "evil" big business corporations can benefit? You and your twisted mind think that America is broken and twisted and a former shadow of the greatness that it once was?

I have one message for you and people that share your views: Leave. Get out of here. I for one am ashamed that we live in a country where our very own citizens think that our own government and military are scum. Move to Canada. Move to Europe. Move to freakin Antarctica for all I care. If America has become "The land of the Enslaved" how can you bear to live, benefit, and enjoy the freedom that you and your kind take for granted? You make me sick.

And at least use proper grammar when sharing your disgusting and vile opinions. I'm fairly sure "saloot" isn't a word, and "born and bread" is also pretty confusing.
I'm a part of the Solution not the problem. It's people like me they fear. Bush and all of his little men are the only ones to benefit and I'll be moving to Canada but when everyone else sees what I see, I'll come down and fight with ya. I will love to instill a new government, free from the evil businesses. I'm guessing you never heard of War Corporatism. Let me tell you, 911 and all the wars we've been in has War Corporatism written all over them and I feel for those men too. They died to fight fictional enemies. 911 was a lie that killed over 3000 people, only leading to the deaths of millions of other people just because The Bush Family and all the other businesses didn't feel they had enough money. I hate this country and I'd love to see it as our forefathers made it but because of what happened in 1913 it'll never be the same. In 1913 was the year The USA became owned by the Banks and all the Wars since was to put millions of dollars into their wallets. We are no longer the country of free people but the country of the rich and the powerful. I am not proud to be an American because how can one be proud to kill for money. I know Bush and his men are. Bush is Hitler and his men and the businesses that caused this fake war are EVIL, EVIL men. Bush and his men are EVIL because they caused 911 and killed millions just for money. FDR was the same and all the other businesses kill every single day just to make money.
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I'm a part of the Solution not the problem. It's people like me they fear. Bush and all of his little men are the only ones to benefit and I'll be moving to Canada but when everyone else sees what I see, I'll come down and fight with ya. I will love to instill a new government, free from the evil businesses. I'm guessing you never heard of War Corporatism. Let me tell you, 911 and all the wars we've been in has War Corporatism written all over them and I feel for those men too. They died to fight fictional enemies. 911 was a lie that killed over 3000 people, only leading to the deaths of millions of other people just because The Bush Family and all the other businesses didn't feel they had enough money. I hate this country and I'd love to see it as our forefathers made it but because of what happened in 1913 it'll never be the same. In 1913 was the year The USA became owned by the Banks and all the Wars since was to put millions of dollars into their wallets. We are no longer the country of free people but the country of the rich and the powerful. I am not proud to be an American because how can one be proud to kill for money. I know Bush and his men are. Bush is Hitler and his men and the businesses that caused this fake war are EVIL, EVIL men. Bush and his men are EVIL because they caused 911 and killed millions just for money. FDR was the same and all the other businesses kill every single day just to make money.
Yeah have fun with that buddy. I'll just be chilling with the other 99.9% of the entire US population who aren't complete lunatics.

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Actually it's the other way away around.
Pika says.A wise man listens to an opinion and tries to develop his own but a foolish man listens to an opinion and except it as fact.

If you hear the words free and/or unlimited. Run and never look back as these are tricks.

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Actually it's the other way away around.
Oh, I'm sorry. I almost forgot that the majority of the United States believes that 9/11 was an inside job. Of course, how could I be so silly! Conspiracy theorists obviously represent the overwhelming majority of the population.

If this is the case, if 99.9% of Americans believe that 9/11 was an inside job, I'd tend to think that we'd probably here more about how Bush and his evil henchmen killed 3,000 innocent people instead of islamic terrorists. But oh well, you're probably right. What was I thinking?

I'm not going to argue with you any more dude. There's is absolutely no point.

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Actually I meant to say that 99.9% are lunatics and the other .1% like me are smart. I was meaning to reverse the insult from me to you. You called me a lunatic and I reserved it back to you.
Pika says.A wise man listens to an opinion and tries to develop his own but a foolish man listens to an opinion and except it as fact.

If you hear the words free and/or unlimited. Run and never look back as these are tricks.

Life remains constant. The more somethings remain the same, the more they must change.

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Bush is Hitler and his men and the businesses that caused this fake war are EVIL, EVIL men. Bush and his men are EVIL because they caused 911 and killed millions just for money.
...you're comparing Bush to Hitler!? I can't be the only one who finds that horribly insulting. :| Listen, we don't CARE that you're a conspiracy theorist. Your reasoning is terrible and thoroughly unconvincing. You wanna bring that stuff up, do it in a separate thread so you can be argued with there or something (though you may have help considering some of the posts in the 9/11 thread this year <_<). Your spam is unneeded in this thread; it's both unneeded and irrelevant. And seriously--no comparing people to Hitler whether you know them or not. That's a very, very hefty accusation and I don't think you have enough of a claim to back that up anyway so watch what you say. (Strange, I have this odd feeling I've told you this before.)

Anyway, get on topic or get out of this thread. Go make a conspiracy thread in OC to keep yourself occupied if you have to. :|


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