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Old September 5th, 2008 (8:13 PM). Edited September 6th, 2008 by Dukey.
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Well here it is :nervous:
EDIT: Made some changes, and is now doing alright on shoddy. still haven't come up against a blissey to 0KO


It took a while to make, but anyway I'm proud of it.


Skarmory @ SalacBerry
Impish - Keen Eye
252 Def / 252 Spe
Stealth Rock
Brave Bird
Roost
Whirlwind
This is my lead, I will set up spikes & stealth rock, and whirlwind any threats.


Azumaril @ Choice Band
Adamant - Huge Power
212 HP/ 252 Atk/ 46 Sp Def
Superpower
Ice Punch
Waterfall
Brick Break
This is probably the one I am most proud of, it should 0KO Blissey with Superpower.


Breloom @ Toxic Orb
Adamant - Poison Heal
46 HP / 252 Atk / 212 Speed
Focus Punch
Spore
Substitute
Stone Edge
Yay! I put a copy of Disfunctions Breloom in, and he's doing alright.


Salamence @ Life Orb
Lonely – Intimidate
252 Atk / 252 Spe
Brick Break
Dragon Claw
Dragon Dance
Hydro Pump
It took a long time to decide Salamence or Garchomp, but I chose Salamence for his huge Atk. I am happy to take any constructive criticism you have for him.

Heatran @ Choice Scarf
Modest - Flash Fire
22 HP / 236 Speed / 252 Sp Atk
Fire Blast
Earthquake
Dragon Pulse
Roar
Just a basic Special Sweeper, Fire Blast 0KO's or 2KO's alot of pokemon.

Blissey @ Leftovers
Calm – Natural Cure
252 HP / 252 Def
Toxic
Wish
Softboiled
Seismic Toss
Well I had to have a wall, and Blissey is the option for most people so I used it. Was a bit confused as how to work the ev’s with it so I just used def.


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Its my first wi-fi team I’ve made, and I realise that there are 2 physical sweepers, and 2 pokemon that kind have 1 main purpose but still, I like it.
Happy to get some constructive criticism, but please don’t just say something about it is bad and don’t give a reason or a way to improve it.
oh and btw incase you didn't realise, the big blue bowling ball is azumaril
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Old September 5th, 2008 (9:40 PM). Edited September 5th, 2008 by BeachBoy.
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I approved since it'll need a lot of help, and you put some effort into it. Eh, close enough to our par.

But two things.

1) Find a replacement for Latias, it's banned in competitive play, so you're not allowed to use it. (Note: I don't want anyone barking at him for the uber, I'll delete if you do.) It's banned in all battles with people that have uber clause (which is standard) So, yeah, I suggest you find a replacement, you really don't want people barking off at you for using an unfair Pocket Monster.

2) It's generally better to show the extra four to six extra EVs, even if it's just a point.

I'll rate in a bit~
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Old September 5th, 2008 (9:47 PM).
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Extreme Speed is preferred on Lucario, as Lucario's defenses are mediocre at best, and he's not the fastest sweeper in the game. Extreme Speed ensures that you at least get to use that monstrous attack power on pokemon that are normally faster than him.

Also, Blissey since Blissey is meant to be a special wall, it's probably best those EVs are invested in Special Defense instead of Defense. while it will fair a little better against physical attacks with those Defense points, a boosted Close Combat should still OHKO. instead, make sure Blissey is doing the best at what it's meant for": absorbing special attacks.
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OK thnx does anyone have any suggestions for a replacement for Latias? preferably a good special sweeper
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Old September 5th, 2008 (10:18 PM).
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Gengar or Empoleon are some options for that spot.
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hmm, not considering gengar due to its horrible other stats, does anyone agree with heatran or zapdos?
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Huge Rayquaza weak. Skarm won't be standing up to an Overheat, and after a DD it outspeeds everything on your team, even SDRay outspeeds everything bar Latias.

I suggest you redo the team. It makes sense to use Ubers when you are playing Ubers...

Anyway for Bliss just use Toxic / Wish / Calm Mind / Ice Beam or Thunder, Psych Up might help against CMing stuff like Kyogre but with Toxic all but the RestTalkCM sets are crippled, you already have Latias walling Kyogre so I wouldn't put Psych Up. Azumarill and Lucario are worthless in Ubers as they are too slow, and both of them get walled by Giratina. Salamence is overshadowed by Rayquaza, as while Mence has the superior speed 5 points is negligible as Rayquaza can evolve to be a huge threat once it is set up.
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sorry, I'm not playing ubers, can you help me with replacing latias?
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Also, Blissey since Blissey is meant to be a special wall, A.it's probably best those EVs are invested in Special Defense instead of Defense. B. while it will fair a little better against physical attacks with those Defense points, a boosted Close Combat should still OHKO. C. instead, make sure Blissey is doing the best at what it's meant for": absorbing special attacks.
A)Blissey needs max defence
B)Blissey isnt meant to take Close Combats, but sometime's its gotta. Max defence is also required otherwise pursuiters and mixed sweepers are gonna poop all over you.
C) Blissey has a chunky enough HP to go without a huge boost, so both defences can be bulked up.

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OK thnx does anyone have any suggestions for a replacement for Latias? preferably a good special sweeper
Special Sweepers of note include gengar, azelf, porygon Z, infernape and deoxys-e

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Gengar or Empoleon are some options for that spot.
Empoleon cannot sweep for moot. Its a tank at best.

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hmm, not considering gengar due to its horrible other stats, does anyone agree with heatran or zapdos?
Sweepers are almost always fragile, other stats dont matter when you get by on speed and SpAtt alone. Heatran can be a sweeper with a scarf should you so wish, but zapdos has trouble doing so.

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Huge Rayquaza weak. Skarm won't be standing up to an Overheat, and after a DD it outspeeds everything on your team, even SDRay outspeeds everything bar Latias.

I suggest you redo the team. It makes sense to use Ubers when you are playing Ubers...
As Beachboy has said, uber weaknesses are not worth mentioning, and this team is obviously not headed for ubers. Heck, he has already asked for a replacement.
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Not sure what the point of Salac Berry on Skarm is; Leftovers >> Salac Berry.

Skarm wants Brave Bird >> Spikes or SR also.
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Huge Mixape weakness, offensive Mixape that is. It hits everything on your team for super effective, and only Azumarill can take a hit from it. I'd invest in a Mixape counter, like WishVaporeon, or Choice Specs Vaporeon, over Latias.
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Old September 6th, 2008 (9:03 AM). Edited September 6th, 2008 by Alter Ego.
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Also, just as a note, Brick Break on Azumarill is about the most redundant thing ever. You already have Superpower for the fighting weak bashing, so go with Aqua Jet (priority is nice, mmmhmm) or some other useful filler instead. In a similar vein, DD Sala certainly has many better options than Brick Break. Needs more Earthquake, imo. Also, no need for full Speed on a DD set. Drop that to 136 EVs and put the excess in HP to add a bit more bulk.

And yeah, major mixape weak there. xx I'd suggest running Starmie as Latias' replacement as it's lightweight (making Grass Knot far less of a threat) and capable of scaring ape off with STAB Surf. It would make for a far better lead than Skarm too. Some form of electric absorber would also be in order in that case, though, as Blissey is pretty much the only thing that keeps Zapdos from walking all over you. D:
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Couldn't Azumarril revenge-kill Nappe with Aqua Jet? I'm asking, not asserting.
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His Azumarill doesn't have Aqua Jet.
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I was replying on Alter Ego's post, assuming he does add Aqua Jet due to his suggestions.

I still wanna know the answer, though.
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OK thnx does anyone have any suggestions for a replacement for Latias? preferably a good special sweeper
Use Azelf. He doesn't fear MixApe, is really fast, and can kill Blissey with Explosion.

I'd suggest replacing Skarmory as well. SkarmBliss is a thing of the past now.
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Old September 6th, 2008 (1:08 PM). Edited September 6th, 2008 by Dukey.
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so basiclly, I should put aqua jet on azurill, and get a mixape counter?
I'm also considering putting a breloom, much like difunctional's in there instead of lucario because at the moment breloom can do the same as lucario but, also 100% put them to sleep. here's the moveset I'm considering....

Breloom
Spore
Substitute
Focus Punch
Stone Edge

if you think he'd be better than lucario then tell me.
and yes I realise this just makes my team even more vulnerable to mixape
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