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Old September 5th, 2008 (9:17 PM). Edited September 6th, 2008 by Pogiforce-14.
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This is my first team, though I may switch around some of my battlers later on as I make more pokemon of or greater than this caliber. It's just a general mix of sweep and wall, but rather than trying for a general description, let's go ahead and put the team out there.


Infernape "Chuck" @ Life Orb
Naive, Male
Blaze
24 Atk/ 252 SpA/ 232 Spe
Flamethrower
Close Combat
Grass Knot
Nasty Plot

Standard NP Mixape, I'm actually thinking about subtracting either a few Atk or SpA EVs for 8 more speed EVs. the reason being is that a friend of mine that is quite effectively my rival has an Aerodactyl that is literally only one speed point faster than my Infernape, and that puts my entire team in a bad situation, if my Milotic is already KOed. by sacrificing a little bit of SpA or Atk, for two more speed points, I nullify the issue.


Staraptor "Razor" @ Choice Band
Adamant, Male
Intimidate
4 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spe
Return
Close Combat
U-Turn
Brave Bird

This is my Starter of choice, thanks to intimidate and U-Turn. He's also an ideal starter because again, my rival friend. He often leads with either Dugtrio or Wobbuffet, both of which he keeps in his party. If Dugtio comes out, Staraptor's flying type allows it to escape from Arena Trap, and U-Turn allows him to escape from Wobbuffet while dealing a heavy amount of damage. He destroys special walls.


Milotic "Pretty Boy" @ Leftovers
Modest, Male
Marvel Scale
252 HP/ 220 Def/ 36 SpA
Rest
Sleep talk
Surf
Ice beam

Milotic was the first wall i built, and was very pleased with him. At the time I was dealing with my friend's Aerodactyl and Dugtrio, both of which were too fast and too strong for my other pokemon. milotic was my answer. resistant to rock and ground, and a great physical wall once Marvel Scale is activated, I could take hits from most any physical sweeper save for a SD Close Combat from Lucario, or a choisebanded Close Combat from a Guts boosted heracross. Milotic is also my ideal dragon stopper, since most dragons are physical oriented and Milotic packs Ice Beam while stalling out with Rest.


Lucario "Skywalker"
Adamant, Male
Steadfast
4 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spe
Swords Dance
Close Combat
Extreme Speed
Shadow Claw

Speaking of Lucario, here is my Luke. Although I would have preferred Steadfast over Inner Focus, after all the hardships breeding this Lucario gave me, I was willing to settle. Lucario is there for the likes of Dugtrio and other fast sweepers that may give me trouble. I may try using his Stone Edge on troublesome Salamences, as they've been giving me trouble. If you're wondering why he isn't holding anything, it's because I didn't realize Focus Sash disappeared after one use, and accidentally used up all my Focus Sashes. I'd use Life Orb, but I have only the one on Chuck.


Garchomp "Gizelle" @ Yache Berry
Adamant, Female
Sand Veil
4 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spe
Swords Dance
Dragon Claw
Fire Fang
Earthquake

Gizelle is awesome, but she is a garchomp. Naturally she serves the same roll roughly as Skywalker, but with different type coverage. She's the reason why I need Skywalker to cover Salamence, though, as24ly she just can't compete if a Salamence comes in and intimidates her.


Snorlax "Lazy Boy" @ Leftovers
Sassy, Male
Thick Fat
244 HP/ 28 Def/ 236 SpD
Rest
Sleep Talk
Body Slam
Fire Blast

This boy is very good at stopping special sweepers in their tracks, even though anyone with Close Combat can play his swan song. The reason why I went Sassy with Fire Blast was because I feared if I went with the EQ variant, that I'd find myself constantly stopped by the likes of Gengar, and I didn't know at the time that Crunch was a move he learned naturally. The idea was that at least with Fire Blast I could fight back. It also allows him to do damage to steel types that Body Slam otherwise wouldn't really hurt too much.

So this is my team, comments and suggestions are very much welcome. Edited for easier comprehension.
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Old September 5th, 2008 (9:56 PM).
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That is a very annoying settup. We do not need to see your Stats, level, nor do we need your IVs. Just make it like this

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Nasty Plot
Grass Knot
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EV: 252 Sp.Atk, 24 Atk, 232 Spe

It makes itmuch easier to review the team. Check out the rulez for more info.
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Old September 5th, 2008 (10:00 PM).
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I set it up that way because I attempted an RMT before, and I was told it lacked necessary info. :\ referring to the IVs and EVs.

Also Beach Boy just said in another thread to list all of the 0 EVs too.
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Old September 5th, 2008 (10:06 PM).
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No, not at all. He said to add in those extra six EVs. Such as 252 HP, 252 ATK, 6 DEF.

Also, he was not reffering to IVs & EVs, only EVs. Posting every EV here is a massive waste of our time. & Look at the rules on this thread. They give you a layout to use, that is less jumbled.

As I said, have a look at the standard rules. I say this cause I wana help, but that layout is too cluttered with useless info, making it harder on me. I also don't want the other two mods to lock this.
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Edited it to make it easier, though I kept the pokemon abilities.
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nice team, but maybe replace return on your staraptor with something?
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All good. I'll give you a full review i the morning, as I don't wanna lead you astray. I can see a huge weakness here, but I can't put my finger on it.

EDIT:Ignore Dukey. That made no sense.Please, no offense, but don't rate without fully understaning why he is using moves like Return.
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Old September 5th, 2008 (10:16 PM).
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Return on Staraptor is actually pretty good though, especially with Choice Band. A nice strong Stab Attack, and it also doesn't have any negative drawbacks like the rest of Staraptor's moveset.

Sims, I know what you mean, I've been musing on it too. It may be that my team has three physical sweepers, meaning a physical wall would really frustrate the team. Or it may be three of my pokemon are Close Combat users, meaning a ghost or psychic type could cause a lot of problem. I also lack a PHazer, which I had intended on making sooner or later in Skarmory. I may have to drop one or more of my physical sweepers for something else.
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ok thnx for actually explaining the use of return, lol i didn't see choice band there and forgot staraptor was flying/normal, my opinion has completely changed
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nice team, but maybe replace return on your staraptor with something?
Actually, sims is correct about the rules. When rating a team, explain your suggestions. Why should so-so be replaced, what improvements can be made, what's wrong with the team give constructive criticism, etc. Like it's been said if you follow the S&M rules, things should be fine. Also, rating without proper competitive knowledge is also frowned upon. DX Try not to do it again, Dukey. Read the important threads (stickies) you'll learn a lot as to how things work around here. (b' ')b Failure to provide proper rates, suggestions, improvements (etc...) may lead to infractions.

Anyway, glad you reformatted it, Pogi. As for the team, do you really need two restalkers? Personally I find them slowing down the flow of a game, so multiple of them erks me. Suicune looks like a better fit over Milotic, actually. Being able to calm mind to possibly set up a sweep of it's own, you could even use roar. (Helps your lack of a phazer problem, no?) It has a variety of moves, so it's up to your own preferences, but yeah, I think it'd be a better choice over Milotic. Able to deal with dragons and such as you've mentioned. Seeing as this is wifi though, that might be hard to obtain. :\ I would rate more but I have a battle log to do. D:

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Old September 6th, 2008 (5:08 AM). Edited September 6th, 2008 by Dark Azelf.
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As for the team, you've probably heard it before "Big Juicy Gyarados weak", it is literally capable of 6-0ing you.

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Bold Nature
- Ice Beam
- Surf
- Recover
- Hidden Power Electric

Would do you the world of good.


Fire Blast on lax is not too useful imo, Zong, Jirachi and meta take ass from it and Skarm outspeeds and can just Roost it off and stall you out of pp, and it struggles to do 5% anyways =/. Scizor and forry are picked apart by mixape anyways and possibly milotic..oh and chomp =p.

Crunch >> it please, this allows you to combat Gengar and Azelf which do cause lax problems.


As for Lucario, possibly use crunch >>se as cress like walls most of your team (which is sad as cress is noob).


Well, lack of fighting resist means Hera, Gallade, Machamp etc can just CC their way to victory. You could scarf that Staraptor so you can at least revenge kill them aswell as a few other problematic pokemon.
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Old September 6th, 2008 (9:31 AM).
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I had meant for Crunch to be on Lucario to begin with, but then when I saw it was an egg move, and I was having a horrible time dealing with the fact I have to evolve it before it could have eggs, + Lucario's chance of 1 to 8 being a female, + the fact I had no adamant female to everstone, I felt like i'd still be working on Lucario if I had aimed for Crunch. The guide I had used to make Lucario though said with Stone Edge, he was capable of KOing Gyarados.

I agree with Crunch on Snorlax, and I intend to rebreed for a Careful lax with Crunch to replace him.

I don't really know why HP Electric, but I usually don't aim for HP simply because of how difficult it is to get along with the IVs and moves I want. Though to cut down on the rest talkers, I could go with the sleep support set, Milotic @ leftovers
124 HP/ 252 Def/ 132 SpA
Hypnosis
Recover
Surf
Ice Beam/ HP Electric
The guide on Smogon says Ice Beam can do quite a bit to dragons, unless they have Yache Berry, but HP Electric destroys Gyarados. however, HP Electric isn't that noteworthy against any other waters, it says.

Well that's quite a bit of advice, so lets try this:

I'll rebreed for Milotic and go with the hypno/recover set, to speed things up a bit. If I can get HP Electric, good, but otherwise I'll have to settle with Ice beam. Snorlax will be rebred for Crunch. If I do go for HP Electric, I may decide to keep SE on Lucario to help combat Salamence, since at the moment I don't really have anything that can really threaten him. Garchomp dies before Sal does. I don't really want to have to somehow rebreed Lucario for Crunch, as it was hell breeding Lucario in the first place. >.< Staraptor I'll try Choice Scarf on, as it does solve the problem if my friend's pokemon being simply too fast.

Also, what did you think about the idea of redoing Infernape's EVs for speed?
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On a team this Gyarados weak Hp electric is pretty much a given.


As for Crunch, you could always use Shadow Claw to replace it on Luke(Like i did when i forgot Crunch was an egg move =x)
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Old September 6th, 2008 (9:50 AM). Edited September 6th, 2008 by Pogiforce-14.
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Ah yes, Shadowclaw it is then, as it saves me a lot of time and frustration with rebreeding.

I'll try for HP Electric, but I'm not going to like it. >.<
If I want a Good HP Electric without sacrificing Milo's strength, I'd have to get:
30/20/31/31/21/20 or something to that extent, to get HP Electric with good power.

I'll update the team list for Shadowclaw on Lucario.

Question:

If I were to keep the Sassy Snorlax and instead replace Fire Blast with Crunch, would it be at such a major disadvantage over a Careful Snorlax with the same moveset? I mean I am subtracting it's speed, but Snorlax doesn't really have much speed to speak of in the first place...
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