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Old September 6th, 2008 (8:14 AM).
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The E4 in this game was terrible i thought. My biggest beef was actually with the game itself. There was a total of 5 fire pokemon before the E4. Them being Chimchar and evolved forms and Ponyta and Rapidash. This being said they shouldnt of made a fire elite four trainer! Willis was a total mismatch! Also each trainer only really had one pokemon that presented a real challenge. So idk hopefully if they make a 5th gen game there is more fire pokemon cause i think they are most peoples favorites!
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Old September 6th, 2008 (8:19 AM).
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In Platinum they are adding 59 more Pkmn to the Sinnoh dex so don't worry, there will most likely be a few more fire types in Platinum.
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thank goodness cause im not a huge fan of infernape and rapidash.
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If I'm guessing right, you'd better like Magmorter cause I'm willing to bet that he is among the Pkmn that they add.
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If that was up to me, I would make a "fire hozer" HM. I just hate this pathetic type, and Rock and Ground as well.
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Fire is horrible for a lot of reasons. First, the metagame nowadays is filled with Stealth Rock, and most Fire-types take [at least] 12% just in a switch in. Then they're also weak to Ground and Water, two very common attacking types.
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Fire may not be the most powerful type, but it doesn't suck that horribly. The Stealth Rocks weakness is why most people have -drum roll please- Spinners! And I feel the need to point to you specifically Froslass that Ice types also take at least 12% damage from SR.
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Old September 6th, 2008 (8:55 AM). Edited September 6th, 2008 by Walrein.
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Fire may not be the most powerful type, but it doesn't suck that horribly. The Stealth Rocks weakness is why most people have -drum roll please- Spinners! And I feel the need to point to you specifically Froslass that Ice types also take at least 12% damage from SR.
First of all, Fire simply die horridly to anything with Water. Sure, every type has disadvantage, but all that gamefreak did is inventing even more horrid against Water Fire-types. There is NO Fire-type that isn't weak to Water. Sure, Electric-types suffer from Ground, and we have both Zapdos and Rotom. Ice-types don't like Fighting, and we have Delibird, Froslass, Articuno and Jynx. Even the Dragon-type has Kingdra, Palkia and Dialga against Ice. There is no Fire-type that can take Water. a Fire team is guaranteed to be 6-0KO by any Water-type not called Magikarp or Feebas. Actually, forget Feebas, it can OHKO Magcargo with Surf as well.
Even Rock and Ground have some combos that can take Water. Fire is the only type that is guaranteed to lose to a certain type.
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First of all, Fire simply die horridly to anything with Water. Sure, every type has disadvantage, but all that gamefreak did is inventing even more horrid against Water Fire-types. There is NO Fire-type that isn't weak to Water. Sure, Electric-types suffer from Ground, and we have both Zapdos and Rotom. Ice-types don't like Fighting, and we have Delibird, Froslass, Articuno and Jynx. Even the Dragon-type has Kingdra, Palkia and Dialga against Ice. There is no Fire-type that can take Water. a Fire team is guaranteed to be 6-0KO by any Water-type not called Magikarp or Feebas. Actually, forget Feebas, it can OHKO Magcarco with Surf as well.
EVen Rock and Ground have some combos that can take Water. Fire is the only type that is guaranteed to lose to a certain type.
well when i said that they should make more in a 5th gen game if one comes out they should make a fire/grass or something along those lines. I relize its a little out there but who cares! you did have some good points. all i was saying was that there should be more fire types in the game for those who enjoy them like me
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Well, I in-fact love Fire. Though Fire is a sure kill with just Surf, Fire is pretty awesome, oh and yeah, I think it's pointless to make a Fire E4 when thre's just 5 Pokemon you can have pre-national dex.

EDIT: Fire/Grass is great, but it's not really logical, if it was logical then I have a Vespiquen who would learn Fly by now. o.O
I want to have a Fire/Electric though. :3
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Well, I in-fact love Fire. Though Fire is a sure kill with just Surf, Fire is pretty awesome, oh and yeah, I think it's pointless to make a Fire E4 when thre's just 5 Pokemon you can have pre-national dex.
haha thank you thats all i was saying!
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Old September 6th, 2008 (9:04 AM). Edited September 6th, 2008 by Walrein.
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well when i said that they should make more in a 5th gen game if one comes out they should make a fire/grass or something along those lines. I relize its a little out there but who cares! you did have some good points. all i was saying was that there should be more fire types in the game for those who enjoy them like me
Well, apart of Flareon. Rapidash. Houndoom and Ninetales (Ho-Oh is Uber), I just can't use this type. What I do admit that it's strange they didn't make a Fire/Dragon type yet, as the European dragon spits fire.
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Well, apart of Flareon and Ninetales (Ho-Oh is Uber), I just can't use this type. What I do admit that it's strange they didn't make a Fire/Dragon type yet, as the European dragon spits fire.
yeah im surprised that charizard isnt fire/dragon i mean he deff looks like one
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Old September 6th, 2008 (9:14 AM).
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Yeah there is not that many fire types in the game, so I hope we see more in Platinum. ;]
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It's not necesserily because I love Ice/Water, who constract with Fire. I just think up to now they just didn't come up with many goods idea for Fire-types. Just "magma pokemon", "volcano pokemon" and so on. Even Rapidash (whom I forgot to mention in my last post, as well with Houndoom) shouldn't even be Fire-typed. I mean, how are you supposed to ride on it?
But, without a doubt, the best type to combine with Fire would be Fire/Dragon with Levitate. I think I'm going to add this to my "invent a pokemon" thread.
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yeah i also like ice pokemon which is kind of weird considering my fav is fire. and there is an episode where ash rides rapidash and it doesnt burn him cause "the rapidash likes you ash so the fire doesnt hurt." thats an exact quote form it lol
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First of all, Fire simply die horridly to anything with Water. Sure, every type has disadvantage, but all that gamefreak did is inventing even more horrid against Water Fire-types. There is NO Fire-type that isn't weak to Water. Sure, Electric-types suffer from Ground, and we have both Zapdos and Rotom. Ice-types don't like Fighting, and we have Delibird, Froslass, Articuno and Jynx. Even the Dragon-type has Kingdra, Palkia and Dialga against Ice. There is no Fire-type that can take Water. a Fire team is guaranteed to be 6-0KO by any Water-type not called Magikarp or Feebas. Actually, forget Feebas, it can OHKO Magcargo with Surf as well.
Even Rock and Ground have some combos that can take Water. Fire is the only type that is guaranteed to lose to a certain type.
tbh, I think you know nothing of the metagame. A sunnyday/fire team will not be 6 - 0 by just 1 single water type. As most of them pack some move with either a grass or electric type. i.e grass knot, hp electric, etc. So please l2play before you start commenting. kk?
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tbh, I think you know nothing of the metagame. A sunnyday/fire team will not be 6 - 0 by just 1 single water type. As most of them pack some move with either a grass or electric type. i.e grass knot, hp electric, etc. So please l2play before you start commenting. kk?
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Old September 6th, 2008 (9:39 AM). Edited September 6th, 2008 by Walrein.
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Let's compare the three types that could be used for the European Dragon-of which only Fire/Dragon wasn't used.

Fire/Flying Dragon/Flying Fire/Dragon with Levitate
Resist: Grass (X1/4) Grass (X1/4) Grass (X1/4)
Bug (X1/4) Bug Bug
Fire Fire Fire (X1/4)
Steel Water Steel
Fighting Fighting Electric

Immune: Ground Ground Ground

Weak: Rock (X4) Rock Rock
Electric Ice (X4) Dragon
Water Dragon

Notice that Fire/Dragon it the only of the three that lacks a X4 weakness. And to the question "why should it Levitate", that's because that doesn't make any sense otherwise. We already got three flying Dragons that are not pary-Flying-Latias, Latios and Flygon, and all three have Levitate. Why should this be any different?
Also notice that the only pokemon that both Fire and Dragon aren't effective against is Heatran, which would easily lose to a Ground-type move.
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very informative thankyou. but you know what i never got. why the hell i gyrados flying?
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tbh, I think you know nothing of the metagame. A sunnyday/fire team will not be 6 - 0 by just 1 single water type. As most of them pack some move with either a grass or electric type. i.e grass knot, hp electric, etc. So please l2play before you start commenting. kk?
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Charizard can't do anything against Water besides Solarbeam, and would lose to a Water-type before setting up.
Arcanine's ThunderFang very weak and will only have 130 base damage when X2 supper-effective. Flamethrower (not even counting Flare Blitz!) when neutral will case 142.5 damage.
Rapidash would also be OHKO by any decent Water-type just as Charizard.
Torkoal shouldn't even think about Sunny day as it'll be hit twise before even attacking.
Magcargo and Camerupt? LOL...
The only Fire-type that have a chance against Water are Ninetales with Energy Ball and Ho-oh, when the latter is an Uber and cannot enjoy with Kyogre's Drizzle and supporting sun at the same time, as Thunder, it's best move against Kyogre, has only 50% accuracy in sunlight.
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i was annoyed by that to only 5 thats freaking crap i was really shocked aswell
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very informative thankyou. but you know what i never got. why the hell i gyrados flying?
Most likely because Water/Dragon is only weak to Dragon, and there was no varying in damage Dragon-type move in generation I.
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yeah i suppose they should of just made him water though
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Charizard can't do anything against Water besides Solarbeam, and would lose to a Water/type before setting up.
Arcanine's ThunderFang is so weak Flare Blitz will case more damage to Water-types.
Rapidash would also be OHKO by any decent Water-type just as Charizard.
Torkoal shouldn't even think about Sunny day as it'll be hit twise before even attacking.
Magcargo and Camerupt? LOL...
The only Fire-type that have a chance against Water are Ninetales with Energy Ball and Ho-oh, when the latter is an Uber and cannot enjoy with Kyogre's Drizzle and supporting sun at the same time, as Thunder, it's best move against Kyogre, has only 50% accuracy in sunlight.
MixApe would like to have a word with you. And, try finding an Ice-type that isn't weak to Rock attacks outside of the Swinub family. Try finding a Fighting-type not weak to Flying, because guess what, you'll only find one out of all 493. In fact, let's try the opposite side of this: try finding five OUs that have a weakness to Steel. Does this make Fighting or Steel bad types of Pokemon to have? NO. Type matchups are not the be-all-and-end-all of competitive battling. Sure, they matter, but not as much as you're making them out to.
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MixApe would like to have a word with you. And, try finding an Ice-type that isn't weak to Rock attacks outside of the Swinub family. Try finding a Fighting-type not weak to Flying, because guess what, you'll only find one out of all 493. In fact, let's try the opposite side of this: try finding five OUs that have a weakness to Steel. Does this make Fighting or Steel bad types of Pokemon to have? NO. Type matchups are not the be-all-and-end-all of competitive battling. Sure, they matter, but not as much as you're making them out to.
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Most of the competitive fanbase thinks Fire is one of, if not the, worst types. The ones who think it's the best are usually the players who don't really play competitively.
Fighting-types normally learn Rock-type moves to take care of Flying. Water/Ice and Grass/Ice also take Rock-types very easily. But Fire? Not to mention Water/Dragon leaves you with onlu option, and only one-Dragon!
You can't deny it, Dragon is the best type to combine with Fire.
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