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Originally Posted by Anti Pop Culture Warrior
Three things:
1. Azelf rarely carries HP Fighting and it takes a ton from Snorlax's CB attacks anyways (OHKOing in some cases).
2. Snorlax has recovery in the form of Wish support.
3. Listen to me and listen to me now. for the LAST TIME, I skimmed that and missed what it said, and considering the first post wasn't updated I figured agreeing with you to reinforce the point wouldn't hurt. I guess that is "hurting the thread starter" now but seriously, freaking out over the slightest mistake isn't really a whole lot better. I don't know what you plan to accomplish arguing with me about something as trivial as this, but it's really getting on my last nerve and it's totally unnecessary and uncalled for.
Also, that isn't what redundancy is but whatever...
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For one thing, an NP Psychic is also capable of 2hko'ing Lax.
Second, Wish is highly unreliable, so that isn't real recovery.
Now you try listening. Maybe if you spent alittle less time arguing & a bit more listening, you'd get my point. I simply called you out on it, as there were a string of bad rates. I wasn't "freaking out", I was tired of so many bad rates, and rates that basically broke the rules. I HEARD THAT YOU SKIMMED. As I said, three times, you shouldn't have, which was the point of the rant in general, yet you kept refuting that. You kept arguing back about how you didn't miss a point. Re-read my posts. You kept arguing, completely ignoring what I've been saying.
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I've read the other posts. What I'm saying is that Zapdos is not going to stop those threats bar Gengar (and the new SubPunch set beats most Resttalk Zapdos anyways). With Stealth Rock though, Zapdos is skating on rather thin ice. Snorlax is MUCH more reliable. CBlax is plenty capable of taking all kinds of special attacks considering it uses 252 SDef EVs. Zapdos isn't going to solve the special attacker problem, ESPECIALLY the ones this team is weak to (like Starmie, which 2HKOs it with Ice Beam).
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As mentioned earlier, Salamence or Gyarados should probably go. It doesn't really matter since they're both doing the same thing. I'd put in a better rock resist than Gyarados, since DDtar just gives you a whole mess of trouble. Bronzong would really help sturdy up this team imo
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Also when I skimmed it, I knew what you guys suggested. If I'm hurting the thread starter so much for simply agreeing with you and KT then report me and leave it at that, because I'm honestly tired of hearing about it when I'm only trying to help the thread starter yet I'm being mobbed with complaints about what I'm doing wrong.
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If you had stopped arguing from the beginning (as you missed my point somewhere in the middle), you'd see what I mean. I wasn't doing it to get on your nerves, I couldn't care less. But if you wanna keep arguing over "nothing", then this happens, & it gets drawn out.
Now, as for the team, as Vance & I said, CBLax isn't great as a special absorber. He doesn't stop Azelf much at all. Maybe one with Resttalk, but definately not CB. NastyPlot Azelf does somewhere between 46%-54% damage to Lax with Psychic. Cressila can help slow things down, & put up an awesome Reflect, whist stopping any major threats to this team.
EDIT:Beaten by Beachboy.
If anybody taken time to notice, I've been giving advice. But if he wants to continue arguing, so can I. Seriously, it isn't that he missed the point which got me mad, it's that he missed the point, then kept arguing that he DIDN'T miss a point. & yeah, doing something that isn't really needed is the definition redundant, but whatever...