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Started by doesn't matter September 23rd, 2008 10:41 PM
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Kenji, that was a good post, and we are going a bit off-topic. My main reason for bringing up sprites is so that completely custom work, regardless of it's final appearance, should be regarded as pixel art. It's silly cause we try to distinguish sprites from pixel art when sprites are pixel art, so I wanted to change our definition a bit so as to encourage more talent to flourish. If you're all fine with distinguishing custom/scratch sprites from to "sprites" then people can make a thread with only one example.

Cause what are you more likely to create? Four custom sprites that take a fair bit of time or a bunch of recolours which you know will look half decent in the end?
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It makes perfect sense. The reason that Sprite recolours bog up this forum is because people like you don't see a problem with it. Why on earth is ANYONE going to try harder at better things when they'll get a "WOW THTS GR8!!!!!" from the members like you whenever they produce a recolour?
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It makes perfect sense. The reason that Sprite recolours bog up this forum is because people like you don't see a problem with it. Why on earth is ANYONE going to try harder at better things when they'll get a "WOW THTS GR8!!!!!" from the members like you whenever they produce a recolour?
Wow, members like me don't say things like that. I don't talk like that, first of all. No one does. Second of all, I only say something is great, or as you would say, "GR8!!!!!", when something really is great. I rarely give out "goods"; much less anything higher than that.

The point is, I'm not contributing to the problem. If someone wants to post decent recolors, I say go for it. If that person keeps up recoloring, it's more likely that their larger edits will be much better.

So, in conclusion, banning recolors is just a bad idea.
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Wait what? Can you not identify simple sarcasm?

No it isn't. It's more likely they'll never stop recolouring.
No, sorry, that's not true. It's more likely they'll try something a step up from recoloring, or more advanced recolors. If you produce decent recolors for a considerable amount of time, eventually you'll get bored of them and want to move onto something else.
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We're not saying that you do Tsk, but other members who may not frequent here as often do find it easier to praise a recolour than something more complex. I've seen it a lot. A magnificent piece of art gets overlooked and the thread just dies while other, less artistic material stays afloat.

And lets not get started on non-pokemon pixel art. It's like they don't exist around here, haha.

But yeah, anymore discussion on this should be taken to the spriters showcase/discussion thread.

now, back once more to what I wanted, in much simpler terms:

Custom sprites = pixel art.

yes or no?
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Custom sprites = pixel art.

yes or no?
I'd say it wouldn't matter. If someone has enough experience to make a quality custom sprite, they almost definitely have at least three other examples to showcase.

But if you just want "yes" or "no", then absolutely, custom sprites = pixel art. Much more advanced than most other sprites.
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No, sorry, that's not true. It's more likely they'll try something a step up from recoloring, or more advanced recolors. If you produce decent recolors for a considerable amount of time, eventually you'll get bored of them and want to move onto something else.
Well let's see, I've being here since January 2005, I was doing edits by the time I came here. The pixel art section was nearly all recolours then. it was quite good in 2006 because talented people started shunning recolours. It's now 2008, and I've noticed it's pretty much 2005 again. PCers will just do these rubbish recolours until enough people actually take a front against the form. You've being here the whole of 2 months, and whilst you may think you're "in the know" about the PA section, you're probably not, no offense of course.


Custom sprites = pixel art.
Uhh...I dunno, we tried that before didn't we? Like you said, all sprites are pixel art anyway.
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In addition, is there anything else you'd like to bring up while this is here? Maybe something about the pixel projects section or something.
On the subject of the Pixel Projects section.. I think you should try allowing those 'projects' that pop up every now and then, to see if they could go anywhere. They could possibly bring some activity to the subforum. Obviously not all of them, since some are just... well, stupid. XD There would have to be some rules and guidelines.

But I could see maybe a few working out, and if they fail, it's not like it really hurts much, you'd just have a few more dead threads in the forum? I think it might be worth a try. That forum's amount of activity is kinda sad.

Custom sprites = pixel art.

yes or no?
I would say yes. I mean, all sprites are pixel art, but you mean pixel art as in "This is enough to start a thread," right? If so, then my answer is yes. XD
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But I could see maybe a few working out, and if they fail, it's not like it really hurts much, you'd just have a few more dead threads in the forum? I think it might be worth a try. That forum's amount of activity is kinda sad.
YES. Do it Ray, i think it could work, of course it's completely dependent on the community, and if it's continually turning out failures, then stop it, but it's worth a try.
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If we count all sprites as pixel art then, won't we just wind up with a page full of threads with just one example of a recolour or whatever, haha.

Kenji and Matt, if you both think it's a good idea then I'll definitely consider it the next time another one pops up.

Yeah, exactly. Pixel art as enough to start a thread around here :)
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But how can we make a clear line of what is "pixel art" and what is a "sprite"?

Because generally, the term sprite refers to an image made of pixels that's part of a series used for animation generally in a video game.

I know what you mean though, big pieces like what Allstories used to do are hard to call sprites, and i personally have always called them Pixel art.

I think what needs to be done, is a revamp of the whole area, generally. idk, bring back monthly contests, I know that the last few had an abysmal amount of entries, but i feel if we build up a better, closer community like we had in 06, things would be a LOT better.

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I think that in a section like this would be one of the few places that tags could be used to their full potential. A tag for threads that contain recolors, a tag for revamps, a tag for scratch work. If all threads were tagged it could make looking for threads that contain certain types of pixel art easier to find, and to get an idea of what to expect before entering a thread. If, for example, you were in the mood to look at some revamps, you could hover over the little tag () icon, and check if the thread contains revamps. Or I could go to the tag search page and type in revamps to get a list of threads.

But, to accomplish this, a list of tags would be good idea, so you get consistent tags throughout the section, and, hopefully, not get any irrelevant tags.

Maybe have a thread with the list of tags that are allowed, and state in the rules that these are the only tags that may be added to a thread. There might be a few cases where a tag not on the list would be appropriate, but I don't see that happening very often.

Of course, none of this will matter much at all if tagging isn't encouraged more. Right now I see 3 threads with tags on them on the first page. So, for any of this to work, the amount of tagged threads in this section would have to be increased.
ooh now i get it :) ty i'm not confused anymore
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But how can we make a clear line of what is "pixel art" and what is a "sprite"?

Because generally, the term sprite refers to an image made of pixels that's part of a series used for animation generally in a video game.

I know what you mean though, big pieces like what Allstories used to do are hard to call sprites, and i personally have always called them Pixel art.

I think what needs to be done, is a revamp of the whole area, generally. idk, bring back monthly contests, I know that the last few had an abysmal amount of entries, but i feel if we build up a better, closer community like we had in 06, things would be a LOT better.
Well all I want is to alter this sections definition so that scratch sprites are counted as pixel art, though Mobile Tsk is correct in saying that they'd most likely have other examples anyway which they can show so... I guess changing it would be pointless.

Monthly contests - who's gonna host them month after month? I can do it every now and then but I'm short on ideas and even shorter on time some months.

The problem with building a tighter community will be that eventually new folk will feel left out and eventually people will move on. Then once again we're back where we are now :(

I think the first step though should be getting them monthly contests up and running again.
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I'm not really sure...
I suppose scratch sprites are harder than fusions or revamps, but I'd still have a limit of 4. Or even at least 2, since a single scratch or pixel art is probably more suitable for the Spriters' Showcase.
Or is my view just due to me refusing to make anything but scratch sprites?

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thanx to pokecomunnity i'm getting better and better :) you can see it in my work. But i agree with the problems that some threads are opened just for 1 sprite.. These get mostly moves to the spriters showcase, but i can think that's really annoying that threads get started with just 1 sprite.. i warn some of them that they should show at least 4 sprites or it's gonna be moved..

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I say you need at least three sprites, or one Pixel Art and a Sprite.
I also believe that scratch sprites should be considered Pixel Art, or we could find some other name to refer to them as. You could also consider 'heavy edits' Pixel Art, but then sometimes it would be too hard to tell whether it's a 'heavy edit' or not, so we could avoid that altogether. Unless you still want to do that.

I offered to host a monthly contest a bit back. I gave up on it. Maybe we could expand upon the monthly contest. Usually it was Pixel Arts that won, or the contests were entirely Pixel Art, with the few people that sent in sprites being ignored and often not getting any votes.

I believe if the projects are scanned through you, or at least can be locked by you, it would be better. Frankly, all those projects for 'RECOLOR ALL POKEMON' projects are annoying, spammy and useless. But some of them are semi-interesting, something similar to the 'Ultimate Map Project' (Or whatever it's called) on Serebii. Something that has guidelines but still allows people to participate.

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well yeah wheni started my thread i just couldn't find a good name now i got an unique one but i can't change the name of my thread :P so now it's called 'my recolors and stuff'

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How are they at all a project? Fakemon are as much a project as they are.
They are a collection of Sprites as well. If we did that we might as well just merge the two boards.

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How are they at all a project? Fakemon are as much a project as they are.
They are a collection of Sprites as well. If we did that we might as well just merge the two boards.
Most people who look at the main board aren't looking for maps. I think they should just go in the subforum. And then there could be tile requests. Tiles aren't sprites, and most people who come to the main forum are looking for sprites.

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Wow, members like me don't say things like that. I don't talk like that, first of all. No one does. Second of all, I only say something is great, or as you would say, "GR8!!!!!", when something really is great. I rarely give out "goods"; much less anything higher than that.

The point is, I'm not contributing to the problem. If someone wants to post decent recolors, I say go for it. If that person keeps up recoloring, it's more likely that their larger edits will be much better.

So, in conclusion, banning recolors is just a bad idea.
i more prefer construcive critism for me. I ingore things that said to be good, and i don't prefer recoloring i more like making fusemons :) Constructive Critisim i like it. It makes people getting better and better

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Most people who look at the main board aren't looking for maps. I think they should just go in the subforum. And then there could be tile requests. Tiles aren't sprites, and most people who come to the main forum are looking for sprites.
They are indeed sprites. And how do you magically know what everyone is looking for? Unless you're God in disguise I would only speak for yourself.

Tiles are indeed sprites, and if they're not sprites, they're Pixel Art, and Pixel Art goes in the Pixel Art forum. That's just how it works. Tile requests are Sprite Requests, therefore are banned.

Tiles are not projects, therefore they do not go in the Projects section. That's just how it is. If you were, per say, attempting to MAP out Johto. That's different. That's a project. But just making tiles like Don Patch, that's just like making ordinary Pokemon sprites. What Kyledove is doing right now might be considered a project. What Don Patch is doing, is not.

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