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Old September 27th, 2008 (8:07 PM).
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Who made smogon the official pokemon rulebook? I mean really,they put heatran and Aerodactyl in UU. thats right,UU. Now they moved Garchomp to uber. its like whatever they say has to go for everyone,which i really dont understand.What are your thoughts and opinions about this?
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Old September 27th, 2008 (8:10 PM).
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Um, no one made them the rulebook. We have our own Tier list, and we follow any rules that we see fit. Just because a quite large group of people refer to their site for movesets doesn't mean everyone rules by the rules that they set.
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Old September 27th, 2008 (8:12 PM).
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Well from the way people act,you can't tell that....noticed how when they made chomp uber it was now considered uber here too...
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Old September 27th, 2008 (8:16 PM).
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Smogon is the best. Considering you made a false statement in that they put Heatran in UU shows you know nothing about it. I'd advise you to get this thread locked, because it's nothing more than trolling and Smogon-hate.
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Old September 27th, 2008 (8:17 PM).
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It's not like one person just decided "Oh lets put this Pokemon here", a group ( a very large group ) of people test each Pokemon. Most people follow Smogon tier list because, it's made by top battlers.

I always wanted Garchomp uber, and before Smogon even officially made Garchomp uber some made a battling rule "No Garchomp".

(Heatran is OU)
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Old September 27th, 2008 (8:17 PM).
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No. Heatran isn't in UU. And Chomp belongs in Ubers. The only thing dumb about it is Aero in UU.
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Old September 27th, 2008 (8:19 PM).
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By the way Phantom, I would like to hear some arguments of yours to why Aero should be OU and Garchomp OU.
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Old September 27th, 2008 (8:20 PM).
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Well actually Heatran got moved out of UU because it was to powerful.

Vance-Aero can completley destroy most of-if not everything- in the UU tier. And Im not saying Chomp shoud be OU, its more of a semi uber.
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Old September 27th, 2008 (8:22 PM).
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Heatran was never UU. (unless they accidentally put it there)
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Old September 27th, 2008 (8:22 PM).
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what is smogon?? i dont know wht your talkin about because nintendo is the official pkmn rulebook they created it

edit: smogon is german word for koffing? wut?
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Old September 27th, 2008 (8:24 PM).
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Heatran was never UU. (unless they accidentally put it there)
Well then it may have accidently been there,but i know for certain it was there.
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Well actually Heatran got moved out of UU because it was to powerful.

Vance-Aero can completley destroy most of-if not everything- in the UU tier. And Im not saying Chomp shoud be OU, its more of a semi uber.
If it's too good for OU guess where it goes?

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what is smogon?? i dont know wht your talkin about because nintendo is the official pkmn rulebook they created it

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Well then it may have accidently been there,but i know for certain it was there.
You're not right. It was never in UU.
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wth is this Smogon you speak of?

But in all seriousness, Aerodactyl has many good counters in UU. Garchomp is virtually uncounterable due to Sand Veil. It's performance in ubers is irrelevant. Same goes for Aero's performance in OU. Just in case you were thinking of throwing those out.

Oh, and if anything is too strong for UU, it's Rock Head Rock Polish Head Smash Relicanth [/sarcasm]
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Old September 27th, 2008 (8:27 PM).
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Thats the point. its not to good for OU. if that was the case,then Blissey and all the other Hax pokemon would be Uber.
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Well, we shouldn't be flaming other sites, so this'll end up closed, however, just to let you know, we tested Garchomp in Ubers before Smogon. The only difference is we got hated for it, and Smogon, well, you know....
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Thats the point. its not to good for OU. if that was the case,then Blissey and all the other Hax pokemon would be Uber.
Since when has Blissey been a hax pokemon? ONE decent fighting physical move, or 1-2 physical moves, and no more Blissey.

Next are we going to say that switching should be disallowed to beat Blissey?
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Old September 27th, 2008 (8:31 PM).
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so what do smogon tiers have to do with anything?

It doesn't matter which pokemon in tier it is just because its NU or UU. you can still use any pokemon in battles irregardless. Im trying to build a killer Nidoking because i absolutely adored back in the R/B/Y yellow days and I wouldn't mind using it in a full on OU battle.

Think out of the box and use whatever the hell you want.
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wth is this Smogon you speak of?

But in all seriousness, Aerodactyl has many good counters in UU. Garchomp is virtually uncounterable due to Sand Veil. It's performance in ubers is irrelevant. Same goes for Aero's performance in OU. Just in case you were thinking of throwing those out.

Oh, and if anything is too strong for UU, it's Rock Head Rock Polish Head Smash Relicanth [/sarcasm]
Sand Veil? If theres no sandstorm,it has completley no affect. plus,uncounterable? Send in a skarmory and fire fang it all you want,your out of luck buddy.
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Old September 27th, 2008 (8:35 PM).
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Sand Veil? If theres no sandstorm,it has completley no affect. plus,uncounterable? Send in a skarmory and fire fang it all you want,your out of luck buddy.
Which is why there's the move called Fire Blast :D

+2 Max Att Adamant (LO) Garchomp's Fire Fang vs...Max HP/Max Def Skarmory = 68.86%-81.44%

That's a 2HKO in ALL cases.
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Yeah,sure. now youve killed skarm,but lets say we have a gliscor. No problem for chomp,right?
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Yeah,sure. now youve killed skarm,but lets say we have a gliscor. No problem for chomp,right?
No, it's not, because Outrage from +2 Garchomp does the following to even the bulkiest (Max HP/Max Def) Gliscor:

97.46%-114.69%

An OHKO all the time w/ SR down.
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Seriously, this is absolutely pathetic in every sense of the word.

You are trolling & bashing Smogon, yet give no real reasoning behind it. "Oh my GAWD, everyone listens to Smogon!". Well, did you stop to think, why? They have the most resorces on compettitive battling, run extensive tests, and have many top battlers in a LARGE GROUP, who makes desicions based on a joint vote. It isn't like they one day decided to F up th tier lists for the lulz.

Other sites lack that, so we tend to follow what they say, and take it to heart. If they say Chomp is OU & Aero is not, you better believe that it was due to real tests & experiments on the comettitive game.

As Vance said, you are not giving any real reasoning, and just spewing out baseless crap. Why do YOU think Aero belongs in Ou? Why do YOU think Chomp belongs in OU? Just because a poke goes down a tier, doesn't mean it is useless in the tier it was in. In most cases, anyway.

And yes, Heatran was UU. A LONG time ago. And even then, they had done tests to make that decision. I the early stages of compettitive, many desicions were made quickly. After the enviorment developed, so did the pokes & tiers.
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umm smogon???
i dont get why they made garchop a uber

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