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Old October 1st, 2008 (6:00 AM).
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Ok.

I've been doing some serious thinking, and finally, it hit me.

There was a legend in Pokemon Diamond and Pearl in Canalave Library concerning how a fool got a sword and ran around like a maniac chopping Pokemon, and then a giant Pokemon appeared, warned him, and then disappeared, never to be seen again.


Could this have been Giratina?

1. Giratina's a RENEGADE, and the pokemon in the legend ran away, (most likely because the fool would probably blab about it and then the pokemon ran away to avoid being hunted, captured and killed, making it a RENEGADE)
2. (Oh, wait. I don't have a 2.)

So, what are your speculations on the subject?
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Warning some random guy and running away doesn't make it a renegade...

However it could be Giratina as much as it could be any other Pokemon.
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Old October 1st, 2008 (6:05 AM).
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Warning some random guy and running away doesn't make it a renegade...

However it could be Giratina as much as it could be any other Pokemon.
It wasn't really a random guy, considering his unholy havoc on pokemon everywhere with his sword.


Renegade means to run away in fear of something, I believe.
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1. a person who deserts a party or cause for another.
2. an apostate from a religious faith.
3. a traitor
So yeah, a pokemon warning him and leaving is not a renegade. You haven't actually found anything.

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My older brother thinks that giratina is the best pokemon and when i told jim abot giratina orign frm he wnt over the moon but i think masmaswine is the best because he is my favrouite pokemon. I just joined to pokecommunity yesterday.
reply to me please
That has nothing to do with the topic at hand, it's just spam :|
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Old October 1st, 2008 (11:04 AM).
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Is it just me, or has Pokemon reverted to the evil of R/B/Y? Like when Team Rocket murdered Pokemon when they felt like it? =/
Anyways, as El Gofre just said, a renegade is somebody who runs away from a party.
But who would be this "guy"? He must be pretty powerful to, as you stated, scare Giratina off.
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But who would be this "guy"? He must be pretty powerful to, as you stated, scare Giratina off.
I believe it's Arceus.

I'm guessing that not only did Arceus create the Lake Trio and Dialga/Palkia, but the highly-similar looking Giratina.

Arceus has some sort of control over other Pokemon, as in the Darkrai event in Platinum, after Defeating/Capturing Darkrai on new Moon Island, A bug Booming voice with no apparent source said Darkrai was put there because it caused all Pokemon around it to have nightmares. The logical thing would be that Arceus is the said booming voice.

Giratina probably feared Arceus's God-like Powers, and fled to the Torn World.
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When did Arceus wield swords?
Other then that, your guess makes sense. =3
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Ok.

I've been doing some serious thinking, and finally, it hit me.

There was a legend in Pokemon Diamond and Pearl in Canalave Library concerning how a fool got a sword and ran around like a maniac chopping Pokemon, and then a giant Pokemon appeared, warned him, and then disappeared, never to be seen again.


Could this have been Giratina?
I dunno why, but whenever I read that I kept thinking the pokemon was Teddiursa.
It's weird, I know, but I can't really imagine a legend getting that guy to stop...except maybe Cresselia.
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a fool got a sword and ran around like a maniac chopping Pokemon, and then a giant Pokemon appeared, warned him, and then disappeared, never to be seen again.

umm i think the pokemon might be arceus
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Old October 3rd, 2008 (3:45 PM).
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Just a question, are those things on Arceus's back weapons of any sort, or are they just there for show?
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It WOULD definately be giratine, at that time arceus would already be sleeping in the hall of origin. It is definately giratina.
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Yeah, Phantom.

Besides, why would it be about Arceus? The idiots in the US and w/e else there is didn't even know about Arceus yet.

and I already reported that weirdo with the "brother who loves Giratina"
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Exactly! I think i missed the guy that you mentioned. I'm working on downloading the diamond/pearl/platinum rom to get the azure flute and look more into this.
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Ok.

I've been doing some serious thinking, and finally, it hit me.

There was a legend in Pokemon Diamond and Pearl in Canalave Library concerning how a fool got a sword and ran around like a maniac chopping Pokemon, and then a giant Pokemon appeared, warned him, and then disappeared, never to be seen again.


Could this have been Giratina?

1. Giratina's a RENEGADE, and the pokemon in the legend ran away, (most likely because the fool would probably blab about it and then the pokemon ran away to avoid being hunted, captured and killed, making it a RENEGADE)
2. (Oh, wait. I don't have a 2.)


So, what are your speculations on the subject?
Sounds more like the human was the renegade.
Maybe the human somehow turned into Giratina.
*shugs*
Probobly not though.
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Old October 4th, 2008 (12:12 AM).
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If you watch the movie with Latias/Latios, it is possible.
So I'd say either a person transformed into Giratina, or Giratina just appeared, since many other legendaries can't appear like that.
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Old October 4th, 2008 (12:31 AM).
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Sounds more like the human was the renegade.
Maybe the human somehow turned into Giratina.
*shugs*
Probobly not though.
I think you may actually be onto something there, I mean here we have a sword wielding maniac killing pokemon (a renegade/traitor) but we also have Giratina (the RENEGADE pokemon) who happens to live in a giant Graveyard.

Of course it could just be a coincidence.
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Warning some random guy and running away doesn't make it a renegade...

However it could be Giratina as much as it could be any other Pokemon.
I agree, you should find out what the word RENEGADE means first before saying such things
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Old October 4th, 2008 (7:03 AM).
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If you watch the movie with Latias/Latios, it is possible.
So I'd say either a person transformed into Giratina, or Giratina just appeared, since many other legendaries can't appear like that.
TV Show =/= Games ;<

Using the TV show as a reference for the videogames doesn't work.
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Renegade means to Rebel or to be a Traitor. As is said in the Platinum Pokedex, "Because of its violent behavior, it was driven out into the Ruined World, from where it silently gazes upon our world."

I guess it went on too many Rampages...
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"Because of its violent behavior, it was driven out into the Ruined World, from where it silently gazes upon our world."
Huh... That does sound like the guy with the sword...
Maybe I was onto something?
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I don't think that the sword guy is Giratina... I think that Giratina might have been Power Hungry or Overly Agressive...
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Old October 4th, 2008 (4:15 PM).
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No, the pokemon that ran away IS Giratina. The man found giratina after looking all over for it. he found it at turnback cave and then giratina fled. Turnback cave is the bridge between the torn realm and the other realm so every now and then it will come back and stay in the cave. Giratina became the renegade before the man came to him for fighting with Dialga and Palkia in ancient times.
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Oh... Do you believe that Giratina is the God of Death and Dimensions and that it lives in the Spirit World?

I noticed in a Marriland Video (I am also a member of his forums,) that during the fight with Cyrus in the Torn World, that little white lights fly by when the Battle Starts...
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It is very possible that Giratina is the Pokemon in the story.

It happened in Veilstone, and Turnback cave (Where Giratina is) is nearest to that city.

The guy slaughtered Pokemon, meaning they died, and died for no good purpose, Giratina got angry, and sent the others away, so they would not be killed.


Just a theory.
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"In the beginning, there was only
a churning turmoil of chaos.
At the heart of chaos, where all
things became one, appeared an Egg.
Having tumbled from the vortex, the
Egg gave rise to the Original One."

Here is where it gets messy...

"From itself, two beings the Original
One did make.
Time (Dialga) started to spin.
Space (Palkia) began to expand."

There is no mention of the third part of the Trio, Giratina.

"From itself again, Three Living Beings (Mesprit, Uxie, and Azelf)
the Original One did make.
The two beings wished, and from them,
matter came to be.
The three living things wished, and
from them, spirit came to be.
The world created, the Original One
took to unyielding sleep..."

As was stated above, Giratina received not mention when he is important. As said from Bulbapedia:

"Dialga controls time, while Palkia controls space, whereas Giratina on the other hand seems to have the ability to control other dimensions. The presence of Dialga and Palkia causes a rip in dimensions, creating a gateway to the dimension where Giratina inhabits."

This explains what goes on in Platinum and also says that Giratina seems to have control over dimensions. Here is the Pokedex entry from Platinum:


"Because of its violent behavior, it was driven out into the Ruined World, from where it silently gazes upon our world."

Bulbapedia also states:

"Giratina is a very rare (one-of-a-kind) Pokémon due to its "legendary" status. Legends claim that Giratina appears in cemeteries and that this Pokémon supposedly lives in the spirit world, on the reverse side of this one."

This seems to suggest that Giratina is the God of Death and Dimensions, and that it lives in the Spirit World (Ruined or Torn World...)
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