Get rid of thread approval in S&M

Started by Glitter Stain October 29th, 2008 3:59 PM
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Most threads that suck bad enough not to get approved start off in DPP and are moved to S&M. Besides, it's kind of pointless to have thread approval when BB and D_A are on at virtually the same time of day everyday and Smarties being inactive. That means there's about 20 hours a day when no threads are approved. By the time the thread is approved, it could be anywhere from 2 to 10 threads down. Just take it off, it's providing more work for the mods and therefore defeating its own purpose.

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Those rules are set for a reason. To prevent useless or pointless thread from being submitted. However you are one of the members who seems to be the obnoxious type who bothers staff with their whiny "ideas". It's either your way or the highway. Not here though. ^__________^
WAAAAAH IM WHINING

And now I'm not. This suggestion is actually something I think should be considered. I gave completely true (and obvious) reasons, like the fact that it only causes more work for the mods. Clearly you wouldn't know how the S&M forum works though.

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Most threads that suck bad enough not to get approved start off in DPP and are moved to S&M. Besides, it's kind of pointless to have thread approval when BB and D_A are on at virtually the same time of day everyday and Smarties being inactive. That means there's about 20 hours a day when no threads are approved. By the time the thread is approved, it could be anywhere from 2 to 10 threads down. Just take it off, it's providing more work for the mods and therefore defeating its own purpose.
Look, I've now recently talked with DPt staff and the amount of DPt threads moved there that bypass the approval process isn't that bad. The amount of terrible RMTs posted in S&M outweigh the DPt moved ones by tons.

I have to disagree with your suggestion, completely actually. Do you know how much SPAM D_A and I have to reject every day? Apparently not. And D_A and I on the same time? Not really.

Would it decrease our work? No, it wouldn't actually. The bad RMTs would be submitted and we'd have to lock and or infract the mini-mod. (And possible bad rates, etc etc etc) The numerous bad threads locked would further hit correct threads. It'd be a mess, really.
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Those rules are set for a reason. To prevent useless or pointless threads from being submitted. However you are one of the members who seems to be the obnoxious type who bothers staff with their whiny "ideas". It's either your way or the highway. Not here though. ^__________^
Don't see how that's fair. If she's not adamant about her argument no one would agree with her.

I disagree, however, since most of the threads BeachBoy and Dark_Azelf tell me about are not up to standards...Of course, that doesn't stop DPP mods from moving similar threads to S&M >.>
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Look, I've now recently talked with DPt staff and the amount of DPt threads moved there that bypass the approval process isn't that bad. The amount of terrible RMTs posted in S&M outweigh the DPt moved ones by tons.

I have to disagree with your suggestion, completely actually. Do you know how much SPAM D_A and I have to lock every day? Apparently not. And D_A and I on the same time? Not really.

Would it decrease our work? No, it wouldn't actually. The bad RMTs would be submitted and we'd have to lock and or infract the mini-mod. (And possible bad rates, etc etc etc) The numerous bad threads locked would further hit correct threads. It'd be a mess, really.
Now, I'm not going to disagree with you about it being a mess (initially), but S&M has worked before without thread approval. Having to hand out infractions and lock threads isn't such an awful thing; you're going to run out of mini-mods and stupid people eventually. It's just incredibly irritating to people who regularly post top-quality threads to have to wait anywhere from ten minutes to 12 hours for the thread to appear.

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BeachBoy -> Florida
Dark_Azelf -> Some European place

They aren't on at the same time. Dark_Azelf is on invisible mode, how can you tell? :x

And if the DPPt mods aren't sure whether a thread goes into S&M, a good idea would just be to close the thread and ask the creator to repost it in S&M, maybe? Whether the thread gets approved is up to Beachy and D_A. Would that be a suitable idea? :O
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BeachBoy -> Florida
Dark_Azelf -> Some European place

They aren't on at the same time. Dark_Azelf is on invisible mode, how can you tell? :x

And if the DPPt mods aren't sure whether a thread goes into S&M, a good idea would just be to close the thread and ask the creator to repost it in S&M, maybe? Whether the thread gets approved is up to Beachy and D_A. Would that be a suitable idea? :O
Well, not really, 'cause that's not even what I'm suggesting. XD

The point is, it's not fair to people like Kayashi, Vance, me, Postman, Syaoran, .truth, etc. etc. to have to wait all day just for another one of their 80 quality threads to show up.

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Well, not really, 'cause that's not even what I'm suggesting. XD

The point is, it's not fair to people like Kayashi, Vance, me, Postman, Syaoran, .truth, etc. etc. to have to wait all day just for another one of their 80 quality threads to show up.
That is what you are syaing. Your saying no threads get approved, that's either because:

a.) BeachBoy / Azelf aren't on.
b.) They did not meet the requirements.

Can't make it any simpler than that. :\
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That is what you are syaing. Your saying no threads get approved, that's either because:

a.) BeachBoy / Azelf aren't on.
b.) They did not meet the requirements.

Can't make it any simpler than that. :\
Someone's not listening at all...

a.) I know, that's why thread approval is kind of dumb for the section; I don't feel like waiting for them to get online (and I doubt anyone does).
b.) Lol...

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:( Waiting a day won't kill you. You joined this year. I don't think you really know just how AWFUL S&M used to be. There's a reason it's one of my least favourite forums and it stems from the fact that the amount of noobs and flaming in there used to be atrocious.

Sure, there are plenty of people who post good threads that are approved but unfortunately, the bad outweighs the good so the members who do know what they're doing when they post will simple have to be patient so the mods can weed out the spammy threads.


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:( Waiting a day won't kill you. You joined this year. I don't think you really know just how AWFUL S&M used to be. There's a reason it's one of my least favourite forums and it stems from the fact that the amount of noobs and flaming in there used to be atrocious.
Oh, the good old days... *stabs* xD

I agree with Lightning here. There's going to be a ton of "Moveset for my blaziken" threads and "rate my blastoise: hydrocannon / hydropump / judgement / blast burn" threads. It's going to be flooded with threads to rate one single moveset, teams with hacked pokemon, poorly constructed threads, etc. Then, all the good threads are going to be pushed back 2 pages or so and die of inactivity.

The point is, it's not fair to people like Kayashi, Vance, me, Postman, Syaoran, .truth, etc. etc. to have to wait all day just for another one of their 80 quality threads to show up.
And I'm perfectly fine with waiting a day. x_o
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:( Waiting a day won't kill you. You joined this year. I don't think you really know just how AWFUL S&M used to be. There's a reason it's one of my least favourite forums and it stems from the fact that the amount of noobs and flaming in there used to be atrocious.

Sure, there are plenty of people who post good threads that are approved but unfortunately, the bad outweighs the good so the members who do know what they're doing when they post will simple have to be patient so the mods can weed out the spammy threads.
Well, I had another idea that I thought could work decently...

What if BB and D_A used the "bump thread" option as soon as they approved a thread? It would keep a thread from getting stuck under a whole bunch of other threads as soon as it appeared.

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As in, just post "approved" or something once they approve it so it shows up right away? :/ That'd be up to them but I wouldn't have a problem with it.


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As in, just post "approved" or something once they approve it so it shows up right away? :/ That'd be up to them but I wouldn't have a problem with it.
Actually, there's a "bump thread" moderation option on a lot of forums, dunno about PC though. It would be in the same "box" as "lock thread" and "move thread".

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It's not a standard option in vBulletin. Threads would have to be bumped manually.


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Would it decrease our work? No, it wouldn't actually. The bad RMTs would be submitted and we'd have to lock and or infract the mini-mod. (And possible bad rates, etc etc etc) The numerous bad threads locked would further hit correct threads. It'd be a mess, really.
^ Why this wouldn't work, so I really won't bother repeating it. Doing this would just create more work, not reduce it.

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Ah, well, I suppose D_A and BB wouldn't mind get +1 post whenever they approve a thread. XD
Obviously, we're not going to bump manually. If you want your thread to shine up top, go ask for a rate to someone over visitor message, it isn't that hard.

Look, I know some of you established posters dislike not having your threads right there in a heart beat. We try as hard as we can to keep you guys content, and I'd say, we're getting better at it. If you have to wait a long time, I'm sorry, but we had our hands in a knot with something else or life. We can't be there for you all 24/7, please have some patience. In the mean time, log on ShoddyBattle and test your team further to kill time, or heck, do whatever you enjoy.

The amount of spam Dark_Azelf, Smarties, and I (sometimes Luke too) overwhelms the amount of posters that know what they're doing. I'm sorry but no, right now the only thing I see changing in Strategies & Movesets is the Rules, I've been meaning to revamp that. (It's old 'n' rusty, not to mention a mess) Thus I'll be working on that over the week. The thread moderation stays put. Hopefully you understand where I'm coming from.
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Here's the thing Mobile, you weren't here before the thread approval rule was put into place. It was a total mess, with members flaming each other for disagreeing with layouts, etc. Those of us that saw that situation are all prepared to wait the 24hrs (even though it's often done instantly) for our threads to be approved.

The only suggestion I could make is to add a new Moderator for that section, although it doesn't seem active enough for that.

As for the bumping suggestion, I see no reason for that. When threads are approved, they will be most likely placed on the first page, as there are rarely 20 or more active threads on the first page. The hasn't been that many since they've started getting approved.

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Here's a dumb idea:

I dont know if this would work, but couldnt you ban people from that section until they post a certain number of times, or have a reputation for not spamming up stuff?

I dont know if that's possible but it might just work...
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Here's a dumb idea:

I dont know if this would work, but couldnt you ban people from that section until they post a certain number of times, or have a reputation for not spamming up stuff?

I dont know if that's possible but it might just work...
You mean like set a post limit? I don't find that helpful. I've seen plenty of 200+ post people that still don't post threads right. And reputation is so iffy that'll probably never be used as an indicator to post in certain sections or not.

I don't find it making things any better, sure, there are people that have small post counts that generally make up the spam. However, there are still plenty of people that fail to read the rules with larger counts. >_o It'd also promote spamming to reach said count, which overall damages the forum. D:
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Okay. I used to go to Serebii.net Forums. The S+M (called Competitive/Online Team Rate over there) didn't have moderater approval. Most of the time, there are a sack of spam threads, such as "Moveset for Magikarp PLZ" and bad teams. Have a look if you get spare time.

I would rather wait a little bit of time for my thread to be approved (which they always do if they're RMTs) than see the main section I hang around in cluttered with spam. Think about it, even if it does show up the next day, nothing is going to explode. Patience.
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You mean like set a post limit? I don't find that helpful. I've seen plenty of 200+ post people that still don't post threads right. And reputation is so iffy that'll probably never be used as an indicator to post in certain sections or not.

I don't find it making things any better, sure, there are people that have small post counts that generally make up the spam. However, there are still plenty of people that fail to read the rules with larger counts. >_o It'd also promote spamming to reach said count, which overall damages the forum. D:
I see. Never mind then...
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