is wobbuffet rally uber

Started by blazeape February 4th, 2009 10:24 AM
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I don't do much competitive battling, but Taunt isn't that great a counter for Wobbuffet. Firstly, it can just switch out if it so chooses, simply enough. And when it comes in on something without Taunt, you are unable to simply switch out to something with Taunt or Stat-up moves as Wobbuffet's Shadow Tag ability prevents switching out. That along with great HP and moves like Counter, Mirror Coat, Safeguard and Encore which ensures which type of move you will use... it nearly ensures that it will takes a Pokemon down with it at least, even if the Pokemon attacking it has great attack/sp. attack stats.

So it's not that easy to beat. Plus, if people expect to see certain Pokemon playing in a different tier (say, OU), than seeing an Uber Pokemon will make them want to leave as it is cheating, really - using a Pokemon that has been banned from that level. It is known all over as an Uber Pokemon so don't be surprised people may be hesitant to battle you if they want a non-uber battle.

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I'd say it'll take some cleaver prediction to get the better of Wobbuffet. But Wobbuffet is going to at least get rid of one Pokemon (Unless it is used against a Ghost or Dark type for some odd reason.)
I have no idea how 'clever prediction' will help someone to defeat Wobbuffet. Anyone with a brain can use wobbuffet and win - all they have to do is use encore. If the pokemon is stuck using a non-damaging move, then you switch out and get a free set up with another pokemon. If it gets stuck using an attacking move, you use counter or mirror coat respectively. I would never use wobbuffet, because all you need to use it properly is at least half a brain - it takes no skill whatsoever. :P
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(Unless it is used against a Ghost or Dark type for some odd reason.)
That would be because of Counter being a Fighting type move and Mirror Coat being a Psychic type move.

On that note, the textbook definition of a Pokemon Counter is a Pokemon who can safely switch in, and knock the other Pokemon out. Wobbuffet is nearly always guaranteed to bring at least one Pokemon down (like bobandbill said). The only true Counters to Wobbuffet are Sableye and Spiritomb. If everybody had to bring those one of those two just to deal with the threat of Wobbuffet, it would be metagame breaking. That is why Garchomp is banned (by Smogon).
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Like everyone said, Wobbuffet can at least always take down one Pokemon, and Encore can be very deadly with him, too.
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How the Hell does saying "but no pokemon is invincible" change the fact that wobby is uber? Wobby can switch out, but the other pokemon can't. Wobby can choose its attacks, but the other pokemon can't after encore. Using wobby makes the opponent pokemon completely ineffective if it can't OHKO him.

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Uber?
Jessie sure never used Wobbuffet to it's full potential then.
What a pity..
If you want to solve this issue then don't use Wobbuffet.. it is that simple.

Edit ; It's move set and HP look like a kick in the butt, but if your fast enough and have Shadow Ball you should be fine.
Just have to beat that Mirror Coat.
If not, then it really is an uber.




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Well, if you still use it, people are going to still log out. >.> He is not invincible, he is just too strong in competitive play. lol
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Uber?
Jessie sure never used Wobbuffet to it's full potential then.
What a pity..
If you want to solve this issue then don't use Wobbuffet.. it is that simple.

Edit ; It's move set and HP look like a kick in the butt, but if your fast enough and have Shadow Ball you should be fine.
Just have to beat that Mirror Coat.
If not, then it really is an uber.
Shadow Ball will not OHKO. Mirror Coat back=dead. The only "safe" Shadow Ball is if it was coming from a Dark type, which makes it immune to Psychic typed attacks.
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Very simple explanation of why wobboffet is uber: Use toxic on opponent, switch to wobboffet, then encore. If you get stuck in an attack move, you get countered or mirror coated. If you get caught with a support move other than heal bell or aromatherapy, you're done right there. The only possible way to counter this is if several pokemon on your team had a shed shell or you happened to have a spiritomb or sableye, which is not practical at all.
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I don't do much competitive battling, but Taunt isn't that great a counter for Wobbuffet. Firstly, it can just switch out if it so chooses, simply enough. And when it comes in on something without Taunt, you are unable to simply switch out to something with Taunt or Stat-up moves as Wobbuffet's Shadow Tag ability prevents switching out. That along with great HP and moves like Counter, Mirror Coat, Safeguard and Encore which ensures which type of move you will use... it nearly ensures that it will takes a Pokemon down with it at least, even if the Pokemon attacking it has great attack/sp. attack stats.

So it's not that easy to beat. Plus, if people expect to see certain Pokemon playing in a different tier (say, OU), than seeing an Uber Pokemon will make them want to leave as it is cheating, really - using a Pokemon that has been banned from that level. It is known all over as an Uber Pokemon so don't be surprised people may be hesitant to battle you if they want a non-uber battle.
This is probably the best answer in this thread.


In addition, i dont get why people bring up prediction with Wobby. That point is a moot and Encore makes it that way. Encore also makes it easy to get a 100% free set for another team mate combined with its ability, no other pokemon has the ability to grant that free of a set up, since you can simple switch out of any other pokemons encore, not wobby.

You have 5 options in a battle, your 4 attack moves and switch. Wobby nulls this to just one attack with encore and shadow tag. Something which other trappers dont do (Duggy and Zone), you at least get your 4 moves. In addition Duggy and Zone are limited to what they trap, wobby traps everything.

Honestly a good wobby user will always at the very LEAST take one poke down, since he or she can send it in whenever they like and eliminate one of your pokes for free pretty much and with the following 2 strategies : -


Jolly wob : - Lets see, this means what it says on the label. You give your wobby max speed thus makes every pokemon in the game under wobby's max speed (181) non-existant (which means most walls), which is pretty simple, you send it in on something that slow pokemon does aka stealth rock/Softboiled/Roost etc and then Encore it and proceed to drain that move of pp and struggle stall it to death ^____^, cheap and simple.


Tickle Wob : - Then there is also Tickle Wobby (event move) + CB Pursuit user. Again, send it in on something that is not a threat, Encore a move and then Tickle down the foe to -6 def and then you send in your Pursuit user and as the foe switches, Pursuit them as they switch out. Keep in mind that a CB Tyranitars for example, Pursuit does ~95% to standard skarmory who RESISTS the move, so i wish good luck to everything else lol. This strategy can be found here.


Also before people bring up some garbage no logic trash like "Its easy to ohko" (trust me, it alway seems to happen in these sort of threads) lolno, you could'nt be more wrong. Choice Band Tyranitar cant OHKO standard Wobby with Crunch (THE most powerful dark attack in ou, if not the game) nor can specs Gengar with Shadow Ball, which goes to show how much of a beating this thing can take.



Well i like wobbuffet and i will still youse it
And people will still continue to refuse to battle you then ? lol


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^^This is true, but that is basically limited to Specs/mixed Tyranitar (rarely seen in ubers) and Houndoom (rarely seen anywhere).

just get a physical ghost. Though wobb will ALWAYS take one done if the user knows how to battle and understands
Irrelevant, since you CAN'T SWITCH OUT.

And there aren't that many worthwhile physical ghosts. Dusknoir and...anything else?
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i think its because nintendo and all them, are scared, that if two wobbuffet battled, it would be a tie. and they dont like ties. or struggle- offs
Two Shadow Tag pokemon can switch out in D/P/Plat. That glitch only happens in previous gens.

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Two Wobbuffet battling? Now that would be something..
Imagine that. Neither can attack each other..
But the Shadow Tag glitch would be helpful, if one or both players knew about it.
Otherwise, trying to battle two Wobbuffet is pretty worthless.
Yeah.. the only potential OHKOer for Wobbuffet would be a fast Dark type that knows Shadow Ball.
CoughWeavileCough.
Or if you wanna get technical, any powerful Dark move.
Back on topic, like I said, dude.. if you want people to battle you lose the Wobbuffet.
No one likes a punching bag that delivers it right back.




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Yeah.. the only potential OHKOer for Wobbuffet would be a fast Dark type that knows Shadow Ball.
CoughWeavileCough.
Or if you wanna get technical, any powerful Dark move.
Back on topic, like I said, dude.. if you want people to battle you lose the Wobbuffet.
No one likes a punching bag that delivers it right back.
The most powerful Dark move in the game, Band STAB Crunch from Tyranitar, can't OHKO Wobbuffet.

As for Weavile...or any dark type that doesn't have horrib special attack, carrying Shadow Ball, that reeks of overcentralization. Weavile's special attack is absolutely horrid, and when Wobba inevitably switches out, you'll have a Weavile that's useless against everyone except Wobbuffet.

EDIT: I know you're agreeing with me, but these points always get bought up, and it's important to show that they aren't valid.