Evolution vs. Intelligent Design Page 2

Started by Netto Azure February 15th, 2009 11:52 AM
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Evolution or a combination of both, where a "higher being" may have created the world, but they allowed it to develop, change and evolve untouched and entirely on its own.
I agree with this. While I'm undecided (or rather, don't care in the least) whether there's a higher being or not, if there is, I believe it just set the gears in motion for evolution.

Other creationist theories make no sense to me.


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I'm an evolutionist. I'm a scientist through and through, and to me the argument for evolution is stronger than it is for creationalism (but remember, this is my opinion - I'm not dictating my opinion to people, and my biology teacher at school tried for years to convince me that creationalism was correct).




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Evolution vs Intelligent design? are the two truly exclusive, I believe in evolution, evidence supports it, and creationism is just not possible, now, intelligent design, I believe in it to an extent, I don't believe we have a single creator who designed everything, but that life itself and the universe possesses such a design, balanced, adapted to its environment, a symbiotic relationship with everything else, I agree with Ligntning's post, life occured, and an external force set sentience in motion, providing us with what we call our souls and conscience

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Although there are still many mysteries about how life on earth began, I feel that evolution (without influence from a higher power) is the most logical explanation. You can't really say that evolution didn't/doesn't occur...There's evidence all around us in the form of fossilized skeletons of early hominids and such. I think the real argument here is whether life spontaneously appeared and then evolved, or as others have said, was influenced by a higher power to set the path for evolution. I do believe that there is a scientific explanation for all of life's unanswered questions. However, I feel that some of these questions will never be answered, no matter what kind of technology we have. That won't really be enough to make me believe in intelligent design though...Some things wil just never have a definite answer.

Science and evolution can be proven. Intelligent design can't or hasn't established any solid evidence. So I have to go with my buddy science on this one ^___^

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Why isn't "both" one of the poll suggestions?

Can't God be the "why" and evolution be the "how"?

Hm...

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Why isn't "both" one of the poll suggestions?

Can't God be the "why" and evolution be the "how"?

Hm...
To accept evolution would mean that an omnipotent being exists, and science says it doesn't.

To accept God would mean that evolution happened in 2000 years, and that rocks from 4 billion years ago don't actually exist.

Oh, and intelligent design is such a crock. It has absolutely no evidence to back it up. At least creationism has a really old book.
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To accept evolution would mean that an omnipotent being exists, and science says it doesn't.

To accept God would mean that evolution happened in 2000 years, and that rocks from 4 billion years ago don't actually exist.
note that the other poll option says "intelligent design", not "creationaism", I agree with him, and I aid in my post the two aren't mutually exclusive

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note that the other poll option says "intelligent design", not "creationaism", I agree with him, and I aid in my post the two aren't mutually exclusive

Yes, but God is to creationism as generic omnipotent being is to intelligent design.
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Yes, but God is to creationism as generic omnipotent being is to intelligent design.
indeed, yet you used arguments that are relevant to creationism, not this theory, also read my post up in this thread, and you'l see my views on this^^

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I agree with this. While I'm undecided (or rather, don't care in the least) whether there's a higher being or not, if there is, I believe it just set the gears in motion for evolution.

Other creationist theories make no sense to me.
I actually believe this is called something like the "Clockmaker Theory," and was believed if I remember correctly by Sir Isaac Newton. Where God, like a Clockmaker created the universe, and as the Clockmaker leaves their clocks to work on their own after they're built, God left the universe as it was to develop on its own. I'll try to look it up later, it was either in a video or my World History textbook last year for some reason...
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To accept evolution would mean that an omnipotent being exists, and science says it doesn't.

To accept God would mean that evolution happened in 2000 years, and that rocks from 4 billion years ago don't actually exist.

Oh, and intelligent design is such a crock. It has absolutely no evidence to back it up. At least creationism has a really old book.
That's not what I said. Sometimes the Bible can be full of sh*t. Intellegent Design and Creationism is too.

I said that God could have sparked life, but it was evolution that drove it beyond the first bacterium. I believe in God, I believe He started life but I believe He just went off and did other things when life was evolving and doin' it's own thing.

Besides, God doesn't have to be a "being". He can be a force, the laws that hold the universe together or even every single little particle that makes up the entire universe. You also don't have to believe everything in the Bible to believe in a god, and you don't have to believe in their interpretation of it.

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I actually believe this is called something like the "Clockmaker Theory," and was believed if I remember correctly by Sir Isaac Newton. Where God, like a Clockmaker created the universe, and as the Clockmaker leaves their clocks to work on their own after they're built, God left the universe as it was to develop on its own. I'll try to look it up later, it was either in a video or my World History textbook last year for some reason...
I'm pretty sure this is also called deism.

I can't remember if I posted in here already not, but I'm on the "who gives a dang!?" side of things. There's better things we can be focusing our resources on.

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To accept evolution would mean that an omnipotent being exists, and science says it doesn't.
Hum hum where does exactly God takes part in evolution? I think creating the world is something that came before evolution, meaning it's not part of it (as everyone says, they say "God put the beings and they started evolving, AKA God isn't involved in evolution itself).

And as far as I know, science also has an atheistic explanation for that (which I support), the Big Bang.

And David, that's correct for what I know.

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I believe in a bit of both. I will say I do not believe that the universe was born from a simple 'bang.' Or that it was the work of one 'God' or any of the stuff that the torah, bible, or the quran foretells.

I do believe in a system of divinity that laid the groundwork for everything, however.
I think the meaning of existence is something that the human mind is not meant to comprehend.

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Why isn't "both" one of the poll suggestions?

Can't God be the "why" and evolution be the "how"?

Hm...
I know I should have added the two other options as I said before...
I would ask one of the modz but I'm too afraid to do so now.

I never really thought about it while creating this thread...but now I agree with you...

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I believe in intelligent design, I see to many holes in the evolution theory.
Like what holes?

p.s. "Advocates of intelligent design argue that it is a scientific theory, and seek to fundamentally redefine science to accept supernatural explanations."
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I believe in intellegent design and evolution as true...
I do not believe evolotion as the origin of species.

I'll even go as far to say that humans today may not look like the humans 6000 years ago, but they were always human, never came from apes or pigs or whatever.

Evolution is a real process that happens every day.

Lets say we have one group of 998 rats in a house that are succeptable to a certain type of poison (lets call it Chemical Y), and two rats that are not. An exterminator comes in and set up traps in the house with Chemical Y and kills all the 998 rats who are succeptable.

These two rats breed and over time, we will have 1,000 rats in the house that are invulnerable to Chemical Y, and it no longer affects them. We will have to find another chemical to kill them with. Chemical Z may kill them all, but there is a possibility that there are rats that have mutated in the house that are not vulnerable to Chemical Z, and the process starts again.

That is the only thing about evolution that I belive to be true.

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This thread should get interesting.

I love how people say humans evolving from monkeys is ridiculous when creationism states that we were created from mud and a rib (male and females respectively). But I know this thread deals with intelligent design, not creationism. From the numerous research I've read on evolution, it just makes too much sense. Intelligent design just seems like something someone through together when they realized "Crap, creationism sounds like crap when compared to the theory of evolution. Let's make up something that sounds half credible so people have something they believe in."

Plus, I don't know why people are so offended by us descending from monkeys. They're freaking awesome.
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Seeing as the big bang is a mathematical impossibility, and the current evolution theory depends on the theory of the big bang, I side with intelligent design. That and it's more logical, as far as I'm concerned.

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From the numerous research I've read on evolution, it just makes too much sense.
Hmm...
What do you make of the theory of Irreducible Complexity?

Plus, I don't know why people are so offended by us descending from monkeys. They're freaking awesome.
Actually, from what I have been hearing from evolutionists recently it is that they both came from a common ancestor, not that man came from monkeys.

Seeing as the big bang is a mathematical impossibility, and the current evolution theory depends on the theory of the big bang, I side with intelligent design. That and it's more logical, as far as I'm concerned.
I agree, but, mathmatical impossibility? Please explain.

I can't remember if I posted in here already not, but I'm on the "who gives a dang!?" side of things. There's better things we can be focusing our resources on.
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Seeing as the big bang is a mathematical impossibility, and the current evolution theory depends on the theory of the big bang, I side with intelligent design. That and it's more logical, as far as I'm concerned.
How is us being created by a higher all-powerful being of whose existence we don't have any empirical evidence more senseful that the most backuped scientific theory in History?

And evolution isn't based on Big-Bang. Big-Bang explain how the universe was created. But we are talking about how the living beings changed from the simplest cells into all the kind of beings we see nowaday, and that can be explained separatedly from Big-Bang.

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I think that God is actually a part of all of us, like the energy that happens to form the first life. I think that He is more of a abstract idea rather than a figure, and that He is what makes the world (or rather, the universe) go round rather than be silent.

Maybe God is actually what made the soul (which by my definition is the energy of life, or rather energy that makes life possible), and that's how life began. That's probably why it's rather difficult to create even simple life by mixing chemicals together. Maybe the soul was created when the first bolt of lightning sparked the first bactirium to come to life. This soul developed as the species developed, helping create the wide spectrum of life we see today. I think it's a much better explaination that either just Evolution or just Creationism/Intellegent Design.

If it was true that the soul and the, well, best way to put it would be "Will of God", then that would give all life a rather beautiful mutual connection, moreso than even evolution, hmm? It gives you respect for your surroundings to think that every blade of grass, every insect, even every little microorganism under the microscope is its own life, its own soul. It makes you think of the world in a completely different way.

And no, I'm not a vegetarian. Even though animals have souls to me, I'll still eat them because I need to in order to survive. And they're yummy XD. However, I'll only try to eat animals that have been humanely treated, such as eating only cage-free eggs or beef that was raised in a farm rather than a factory.