LGBT Debate

Started by Repo Man March 10th, 2009 8:21 PM
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Looked for a while, couldn't find anything like this. So here it goes.

What do you think of homosexuiality? Transexualism? Transvestites?

I personally fall under all three of those categories - I'm bisexual, transexual (mtf) and a transvestite (for me, ties in with wanting to be a girl). Obviously I find nothing wrong with any of it - it's who I am. Unfortunately, my parents think it's all "immoral" and such. They don't know any of these things about me, which kind of sucks - it's a huge part of my life, afterall.

Edit: I feel we need a quick and dirty glossary.

Homosexual: We should all know this, being attracted to one's own gender.
Bisexual: Being attracted to both genders.
Pansexual: Definitions vary, I find, but I know it to be attracted to someone regardless of gender.
Transexual: The feel that one's gender is not the correct gender, such as me, a male who feels he is really a female on the inside.
Transvestite: This is someone who dresses in the clothing of their opposite gender. This has no bearing on their orientation. There are straight transvestites and gay ones and bi ones. Think Eddie Izzard, if you know who that is.

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Question.

I understand about how you feel and all, but..how is that possible?

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In my opinion, it's not wrong per se, it's just I absolutely hate it when people are so flamboyantly open about it. I mean, I don't go around flaunting my heterosexuality all over the place.

It's just pretty embarrassing seeing someone acting so flamboyantly. If you've got gender confusion, just dress like it but don't be all like "HAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY" about it.
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In my opinion, it's not wrong per se, it's just I absolutely hate it when people are so flamboyantly open about it. I mean, I don't go around flaunting my heterosexuality all over the place.

It's just pretty embarrassing seeing someone acting so flamboyantly. If you've got gender confusion, just dress like it but don't be all like "HAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY" about it.
Agree, but at some level it's society's fault in the first place - it creates the urge to "flaunt" and bottles it up until it metastasizes into what you're describing.
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Most people know already here that I am gay. I am a bit confused though on a certain aspect. I know I have a strong sexual attraction for men but with women, its not sexual but I wouldnt mind being with one. Its weird, I know. Anyway, I think that trans people know themselves better than anyone else ever could so they shouldnt be judged.

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In my opinion, it's not wrong per se, it's just I absolutely hate it when people are so flamboyantly open about it. I mean, I don't go around flaunting my heterosexuality all over the place.

It's just pretty embarrassing seeing someone acting so flamboyantly. If you've got gender confusion, just dress like it but don't be all like "HAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY" about it.
But I see heterosexuals be all "open about it" all the time. I see them making-out, touching, etc. In PUBLIC places such as schools, malls etc.
Not that I have problem with it, you can kiss whatever you want. My point is no matter what we will all be flamboyant about our sexuality, just like anything else. Also the fact that everybody has the right do what they want, and to be happy. :3

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Anyway, I think that trans people know themselves better than anyone else ever could so they shouldnt be judged.
Umm... what?

I'm a guy, and in my heart I feel I'm a guy, but I should be judged anyway?
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Umm... what?

I'm a guy, and in my heart I feel I'm a guy, but I should be judged anyway?
It's called an opinion. :3
Also that doesn't make sense. lol
Why would you be judged? o_o

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It's called an opinion. :3
Also that doesn't make sense. lol
Why would you be judged? o_o
How does it not make sense?

He says trans-genders know their sexuality so they shouldn't be judged. I said I know my sexuality, but I should be judged anyway because I'm not a trans-gender?
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How does it not make sense?

He says trans-genders know their sexuality so they shouldn't be judged. I said I know my sexuality, but I should be judged anyway because I'm not a trans-gender?
I don't see anywhere in Haza's post where he implied that people who aren't transgender should be judged. You're reading way too far into what he said.
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I have no problem (almost all of my friends are bi), but I do sort of wish they'd stop declaring it so openly. If they want people to know, fine. There isn't any point in doing a parade about it, since imo thats what most people dislike about them.

You dont choose your sexuality, so you shouldn't be judged on it. Just like how women got rights, I think gay people will too.

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here comes Christian, conservative, intolerant, bigoted me to piss everyone off...

I believe that being gay or bisexual or whatever is a choice. It's not a natural thing. Because of that, I believe that it's the wrong choice. I would love to make my argument without bringing in my faith, but that's somewhat impossible, because that's my only argument. God created a man and a woman for each other, and that's how it's supposed to be. Bottom line.

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here comes Christian, conservative, intolerant, bigoted me to piss everyone off...

I believe that being gay or bisexual or whatever is a choice. It's not a natural thing. Because of that, I believe that it's the wrong choice. I would love to make my argument without bringing in my faith, but that's somewhat impossible, because that's my only argument. God created a man and a woman for each other, and that's how it's supposed to be. Bottom line.
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actually God created a woman(technically a dude since Eve came from Adam's rib) for Adam so he would stop touching the animals >:o so wouldn't that mean we do have a choice whether it be with an animal or another same sex person that's 100% natural?


As for me, I'm pretty laid back with how people roll, it's their choice after all

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(technically a dude since Eve came from Adam's rib)
Nice logic.

... so he would stop touching the animals >:o
Where in the world did you get that?

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Umm... what?

I'm a guy, and in my heart I feel I'm a guy, but I should be judged anyway?
I worded it weird. I meant that I just know that they know themselves better than we know them. I wasnt saying that gay people dont know themselves! lol.

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here comes Christian, conservative, intolerant, bigoted me to piss everyone off...

I believe that being gay or bisexual or whatever is a choice. It's not a natural thing. Because of that, I believe that it's the wrong choice. I would love to make my argument without bringing in my faith, but that's somewhat impossible, because that's my only argument. God created a man and a woman for each other, and that's how it's supposed to be. Bottom line.
Not exactly a choice, in my opinion. I would say that you get influenced when you're growing up, and then you like whoever you like, but you don't really choose -- just like how you don't choose the foods you like and dislike.

People "parade" about a lot of different aspects of life. To say that being proud about being gay is any less right than being proud about being.. idk, Irish or something, also seems kinda unfair. I see homosexuality as just another human characteristic that some people have and some people don't. I no more care that you prefer Mac over PC than I do if you're gay or straight, because in the end, people are people. Very rarely is there one single characteristic that defines a person, all of us are patchworks of thoughts, habits, traits, attitudes, interests, etc. I'm gay, but I'm also a writer. But I'm also a Californian. But I enjoy action movies as much as romance movies. But I play Halo as much as I play Pokemon.

[This is where I got too tired to keep typing and decided not to finish the thought I started]

So on, so forth.
I was thinking about how straight people don't parade about being proud, but I guess they have no need to be ashamed. I think society causes gay people to feel ashamed about who they are, so I guess you're right. Sort of like telling society that you're not ashamed. ^^

After all, most people don't parade about their nationality, but I'm proud to be Irish. :p

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here comes Christian, conservative, intolerant, bigoted me to piss everyone off...

I believe that being gay or bisexual or whatever is a choice. It's not a natural thing. Because of that, I believe that it's the wrong choice. I would love to make my argument without bringing in my faith, but that's somewhat impossible, because that's my only argument. God created a man and a woman for each other, and that's how it's supposed to be. Bottom line.
Oh, and also this for me, except the faith part. I'm an atheist.
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My coffee sense tingle a bad ending, like all other LGBT threads.

Recently, I really didn't matter to me the way people choose their orientation. Although, after seeing "Family Gay", for some reason I think orientation can happen genetically and sometimes by choice.

And Shinjiro, I think that was kind of random. :|. The bible never said "touching the animals". Where the waffles did you get the inspiration for that?

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I don't think there's anything wrong with homosexuality. Our sexual orientation isn't something we choose. I didn't choose to be straight. I don't remember thinking to myself one day "Hey I'm going to be straight!". I'm sure gay people didn't just say "Hey, I think I'll be gay!". Why anyone would think that sexuality is a choice is beyond me. I'm sure some sort of biological, genetic or environmental factors come into play, but how can we possibly control these factors? You cannot choose your sexuality.

It's true that heterosexual partners are required to continue the human race, but that doesn't explain why homosexual behavior occurs in other animal species, which has been well documented. I'm fairly certain that other animals don't choose to be gay or straight, and while one may argue that they don't have the brain capacity to choose, it doesn't take away from the fact that we're all essentially animals on this earth. It's a perfectly natural occurence.

My point is...Homosexuality exists for a reason. And whatever the reason, it doesn't make any of us any different from one another. People who are intolerant and bigoted need to realize this. And they also need to stop bringing religion into the argument. Quite frankly, it has nothing to do with it.

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I don't think there's anything wrong with homosexuality. Our sexual orientation isn't something we choose. I didn't choose to be straight. I don't remember thinking to myself one day "Hey I'm going to be straight!". I'm sure gay people didn't just say "Hey, I think I'll be gay!". Why anyone would think that sexuality is a choice is beyond me. I'm sure some sort of biological, genetic or environmental factors come into play, but how can we possibly control these factors? You cannot choose your sexuality.
Of course you choose it! If I just broke down right this second and made out with a guy after I've lived a life with no signs whatsoever of homosexuality, would you still say that it was biological? People who say that it's not a choice are just the people who don't want to take responsibility for making that decision.

It's true that heterosexual partners are required to continue the human race, but that doesn't explain why homosexual behavior occurs in other animal species, which has been well documented. I'm fairly certain that other animals don't choose to be gay or straight, and while one may argue that they don't have the brain capacity to choose, it doesn't take away from the fact that we're all essentially animals on this earth. It's a perfectly natural occurence.
So we should just allow ourselves to be lowered to the same level as animals?

And they also need to stop bringing religion into the argument. Quite frankly, it has nothing to do with it.
I think everyone else needs to stop pushing religion out of the argument. It has everything to do with it.

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I feel that people should be who they want to be - gay, straight, transexual, naked and painted pink with purple spots if they want. The only time anything like that gets to me is when it's pushed in my face, like a gay female friend of mine kissing me and then slapping me when I pulled away calling me homophobic. But, gay couples kissing and holding hands and stuff makes me happy to see them so at ease with themselves.




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Whether or not homosexuality is a choice, or something you're born with, it doesn't matter to me. There's nothing wrong with it, and I don't see why it continues to still be such a controversial topic in our society today; I read a statistic once that said 1/10 people are homosexual, and 1/5 are bisexual. I'm not entirely sure how accurate this is, but regardless, a huge number of the world's population is attracted to members of the same gender as themselves. We can't keep looking at it as if homosexuality is some sort of "disease," and although I myself am straight, I get offended when I see people throwing the word "gay" around as if it's somehow a negative thing (not to be confused with the word "ghey" :P).

As for being transsexual, I'm gonna be perfectly honest; I don't understand it. I have no right to judge anyone else for their lifestyle; I just don't see how anyone would want to alter their body that much. =/
I think everyone else needs to stop pushing religion out of the argument. It has everything to do with it.
...How so? Not everyone believes in the idea that some magical creature that no one has ever seen before created mankind, or relies on some 2,000 year old book to live their life by. If anything, you'd think that the more religious people would be tolerant towards those with different sexual preferences. I mean, isn't the whole basis of your religion built up on the idea of peace, love, and equality? I find it ironic how the atheist community is more willing to accept these people than those who openly practice religion x_x
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Of course you choose it! If I just broke down right this second and made out with a guy after I've lived a life with no signs whatsoever of homosexuality, would you still say that it was biological? People who say that it's not a choice are just the people who don't want to take responsibility for making that decision.
...wait, are you saying that a straight guy could go right now and do it with another guy out of the blue, without having showed signs of homsexuality before? o_o Unless that person was completely drunk, I can't even thnk of that happening.

So we should just allow ourselves to be lowered to the same level as animals?
We actually are animals, another, very different thing, is the use we give to our brain, which is far superior. But yeah, we basically are animals.

I think everyone else needs to stop pushing religion out of the argument. It has everything to do with it.
If you are religious, you have all the right in the world to use it to show your opinions. But I don't see why atheistic people should take that into account, really.