Political Poll USA: Should Marijuana be legal? Page 2

Started by ShadowLeader April 7th, 2009 1:34 PM
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Should Marijuana be Legal in the USA?

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It's stupid. NO ONE needs marijuana to help themselves and feel better about their life. It's wrong and ridiculous, there is no legit argument that people who are high on marijuana should be able to walk into stores and general public places
have u ever been so depressed that u want to kill urself? when people reach that level of depression they turn to drugs. prescription or illegal. and it elevates them into a world where pain is no longer there. this may be only a temporary solution i know, but with therapy and controlled usage of the drug will de-emonize a person. thats a pun for undemonizing (or whatever) too. anyway i havent heard u say that u have experienced a marijuana high urself so i dont think that u can say something like "NO ONE needs marijuana to help themselves feel better about their life". cuz truth is, if u only knew, u might see the light differently.

and fyi: if i sound offended, I AM! u basically just called myself and many of my friends and family stupid. i know u have the right to ur own opinion but i would appreciate it if u apologized. other than that, thanks for posting ur opinion!
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have u ever been so depressed that u want to kill urself? when people reach that level of depression they turn to drugs. prescription or illegal. and it elevates them into a world where pain is no longer there. this may be only a temporary solution i know, but with therapy and controlled usage of the drug will de-emonize a person. thats a pun for undemonizing (or whatever) too. anyway i havent heard u say that u have experienced a marijuana high urself so i dont think that u can say something like "NO ONE needs marijuana to help themselves feel better about their life". cuz truth is, if u only knew, u might see the light differently.

and fyi: if i sound offended, I AM! u basically just called myself and many of my friends and family stupid. i know u have the right to ur own opinion but i would appreciate it if u apologized. other than that, thanks for posting ur opinion!
None of that really makes your opinion valid. And first of all, like others have commented, stop saying "u" and "urself" and what not. This isn't a chat room, it's a message board/forum community. You need to use real English when arguing points. I have no idea what you're talking about with "demons".

Second, I apologize if that offends you, but seriously dude, there are SOOO many things you can do to get out of depression. I have never felt the need to kill myself, I've been pretty upset, sure, but never that far. And neither should you! I don't need to "experience" marijuana to give a legit opinion of it. It's painfully clear how it works: you get deluded and you feel like you're either completely carefree or on top of the world or perhaps things are just perfectly content. Alright, well guess what: so many other things do that without the physical delusions and harmful consequences to your body and perhaps those around you who either depend on you or those who you're endangering the safety of.

Turning to drugs is a lame decision, try, oh I don't know, Pokémon? It's a pretty happy game/fad and probably the reason you're here. Other stress relievers include sports, after school clubs and activities, doing well in school (it's a high, try it, getting an A on a paper or test is one the greatest mood boosters ever, it just takes a little effort), hanging out with friends by hosting a movie night or throwing a pool party, have a snowball fight or make up a murder mystery game as a unique event. Help out by doing some fun community service activities: making others feel good is also an ultimate life high.

Depression is seriously not something people can't deal with, the only excuse they have is being too lazy or ungrateful to do anything about it. Depressed people are often the types who think happiness is going to be handed to them on a silver plate someday and they're going to sit and stew until that happens. False. You have to make it happen, get active, get involved.

I'll admit that some depressed people have a lot going on in their lives and families that are bothering them. But if that's the case, see your school psychiatrist, see a doctor, see a family counselor, but don't rant about your insanely awful life on a forum hoping the "cheer ups!" from a few people around the world are going to fix things (by the way, I'm definitely not saying that's what you're doing with this topic, I'm just speaking in general.) Sure it might make them feel better for a little while, but that's not going to cure their problems. Get out, get active, get help, get focus.


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have u ever been so depressed that u want to kill urself? when people reach that level of depression they turn to drugs. prescription or illegal. and it elevates them into a world where pain is no longer there. this may be only a temporary solution i know, but with therapy and controlled usage of the drug will de-emonize a person. thats a pun for undemonizing (or whatever) too. anyway i havent heard u say that u have experienced a marijuana high urself so i dont think that u can say something like "NO ONE needs marijuana to help themselves feel better about their life". cuz truth is, if u only knew, u might see the light differently.

and fyi: if i sound offended, I AM! u basically just called myself and many of my friends and family stupid. i know u have the right to ur own opinion but i would appreciate it if u apologized. other than that, thanks for posting ur opinion!
Ok, how is turning to drugs a good decision when you are depressed? There's SO many other smarter and healthier decisions you can make besides drugs. I won't list 'em all, since Volkner pretty much has that covered (lol), but seriously, he wasn't trying to be cruel. It's just common sense really. No matter how bad things get, drugs are never the answer. They'll only lead you down a bad road to addiction, which leads to countless other problems. =/

I don't think marijuana should be legalized. What's the point of putting another drug in people's hands and taking societies' morals down another step? Jeez, people already smoke enough of it even when it's not legal. Imagine what would happen people were just smoking it in the streets? I'd rather not see that...

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I just went through walls and walls of text...and survived! xD [/shot]

Well, yeah, I think it should be illegal; it's bad for your health, period.
I dunno why it was produced in the first place. :/
It grows out of the ground, and people have used it since the dawn of time.

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It grows out of the ground, and people have used it since the dawn of time. Of course, people have been suffering from its effects since the dawn of time as well. But it's okay, because it grows out of the ground. That makes it automatically some of the best things around.

Know what else grows out of the ground? Venus fly traps, large thorny bushes and trees, highly toxic fungus. And more. Just because it grows out of the ground doesn't mean it's meant for us.

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well first off, thanks for putting i apologize Volkner's Apprentice. i really appreciate that. second off i was not saying that turning to drugs is the right thing to do when your depressed. trust me that is not a good road to take. smoking marijuana when you are depressed can and will lead you to drugs that will actually hurt you. it is best to relieve stress and cure depression in a different way. marijuana is for partying and having a good time. it should only be used as such. what i meant was until you are in that certain position and faced with that exact choice, you cant say anything. i know some people say that they dont need to have experianced it to understand, but trust me you do. and im not saying go out and smoke. really im not. actually the whole point of this poll was to find some people who supported my cause and would be willing to help me help it get legalized. a lot of people dont think it should be legal at all. and thaths their opinion and i respect that. i also wanted to say that i play varsity football and am ranked 11th in my class. (out of 300 or so) so i am a prime example that u can smoke and be successful. and im very sorry about my typing. i just started doing that recently. im even doing it in school. please tell me if i do it again because i want to fix that. thanks again for your opinions!:D
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It grows out of the ground, and people have used it since the dawn of time. Of course, people have been suffering from its effects since the dawn of time as well. But it's okay, because it grows out of the ground. That makes it automatically some of the best things around.

Know what else grows out of the ground? Venus fly traps, large thorny bushes and trees, highly toxic fungus. And more. Just because it grows out of the ground doesn't mean it's meant for us.
I said that because her post sounded like people have to create it to have it.

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I understand now, but, no offense, but you worded that real badly back there. Just make sure that you point out what you mean exactly, otherwise it will definitely upset many people(usually).

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I used to think so. Though now I lean toward the opposite spectrum. Its extremly carcinagenic, has been linked to certian mental illnesses, and as a whole not that great for people. Plus my knowledge of addiction studies leads me to believe that it really is a gate way drug. But im not to zelous regarding this issue. If people want to- let em. It will be another thing we can **** ourselves up with.

The pharmacuetical companies are a joke... But so is marijuana. Drink some chamomille tea for christ's sake. Exercise. Help someone out.
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I think that Marijuana should be legalized and taxed, but Alcohol should be banned. Simply because there has never been a recorded instance of someone turning violent or killing somebody while high. Drunk drivers cause a high ratio of deaths, while people who are are stoned rarely move from their original toking position. And notice how I said "taxed", if they want to get high, at least strengthen the economy by doing so.

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Oh god, ban alcohol? No no no....

Not that it's good, I hate it and never will try it, but banning that's been done before. Prohibition failed epicly unepic. We don't need bootleggers and crap again.

Since marijuana is already banned, unbanning it will put it in the exact same position as alcohol, which isn't good at all.

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I think that Marijuana should be legalized and taxed, but Alcohol should be banned. Simply because there has never been a recorded instance of someone turning violent or killing somebody while high. Drunk drivers cause a high ratio of deaths, while people who are are stoned rarely move from their original toking position. And notice how I said "taxed", if they want to get high, at least strengthen the economy by doing so.
Don't try changing the topic..it's a poll/casual debate on marijuana, not alcohol, that's a whoooooooole other issue (and one that isn't going to be resolved anytime soon XD)


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yeah....people who drink alcohol tend to be violent whereas people who smoke marijuana tend to be mellow.
Wrong, alcohol is a depressant, it makes you tired. People who drink alcohol can be violent yes, but not solely because of the alcohol. Alcohol makes you tired. Empty, pretty much.

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i agree....we tried that once and it got way worse...lets leave that's one alone for a while....ill start a topic for that later....:D

no offense weee187 but do you drink often? yes alcohol makes you tired but that after drinking HUGE amounts....before that you are highly energized and really load....but like i said lets leave that for another discussion..
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It grows out of the ground, and people have used it since the dawn of time.
guys come on! it should be legal! If it grows out of mother earth it can't harm us!! like shrooms.. right? and ummm tree bark! and stones!! oh wait we don't eat stones? so does that mean just because it comes out of the ground means we CAN'T eat it???

haha kidding aside. Here are the facts:

Legalization:
-will make a lot of people happy (predominantly a specific niche of teenagers)
-will make medical pain resolution easier
-cut down crime surrounding drug cartels. Granted you'll still see meth and the like but weed definitely is the most common

Keeping it Illegal:
-no 5-10 year "trash" period
-it may not be chemically addictive, but if you do something you like you'll naturally want to do it again
-it can create obsessive behavior
-it WILL cause kids to start at an even younger age
-it will result in wider use if legalized
-there are negative aspects such as brain damage
-while under its affects you have potential to make very bad decisions

let's be honest here, you can tell who the potheads in your school are. And that's indicative of what they do, marijuana. It's a lie to say it's not addicting. Is pokemon addicting? no. but we do play it all the time, because its fun. Why would the same not be true for weed?

problems will arise such as new legislation having a need to be passed like "no smoking while driving". Questions would arise like "where would it be ok to do?" in your house? outside target? Crime will go down yes but only crime surrounding drug cartels. And since most weed sales go unnoticed in our nations schools. There will be no noticeable drop in crime.
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-it WILL cause kids to start at an even younger age
-it will result in wider use if legalized
you cant prove either of those arguments. and in my personal experiance, ive learned that most of the people who smoke that i know started when they were 10 and up. some (like myself) much younger. so there is no way to prove either of those statements. however i do agree that there might not be a noticeable drop in the crime rate. however it may help the geniuses who like to bring it to school. might. if its legal they may just do it at home like a normal person.
and ps if it is legalized then there will be pipe cafes (counterpart of bars) and yes people can smoke at home where they cant bother anyone. going out while high isnt a smart thing to do anyway.
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you cant prove either of those arguments. and in my personal experiance, ive learned that most of the people who smoke that i know started when they were 10 and up. some (like myself) much younger. so there is no way to prove either of those statements. however i do agree that there might not be a noticeable drop in the crime rate. however it may help the geniuses who like to bring it to school. might. if its legal they may just do it at home like a normal person.
and ps if it is legalized then there will be pipe cafes (counterpart of bars) and yes people can smoke at home where they cant bother anyone. going out while high isnt a smart thing to do anyway.
Hate to attack you again dude, but "do it in their home like a normal person?" Normal people don't use it at all because they don't need it to feel good, there's so many other options and ways to relieve stress and feel good about yourself as well as wayyyyy better things to do at a party. Such as dancing.

And hahahaha, no. There aren't going to be pipe cafes. That's not something that would be approved by the majority of..well, America. Besides, did it occur to you that going to a pipe cafe would mean going out? Meaning people who are high would be out. Walking the street. Driving. Going into stores, causing problems, being out of control of some of their actions. It's just not something that's publicly acceptable and it's dangerous for the safety and health of everyone.

And..in regards to the age at which they start..stating you started early doesn't prove that kids won't begin earlier. In fact, no one needs to prove that statement. If parents, teens, really anyone who was curious about trying it before but didn't because it was illegal go ahead and use it because now it's alright, that's going to influence kids and younger generations. So yeah, it'd start earlier.


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Hate to attack you again dude, but "do it in their home like a normal person?" Normal people don't use it at all because they don't need it to feel good, there's so many other options and ways to relieve stress and feel good about yourself as well as wayyyyy better things to do at a party. Such as dancing.

And hahahaha, no. There aren't going to be pipe cafes. That's not something that would be approved by the majority of..well, America. Besides, did it occur to you that going to a pipe cafe would mean going out? Meaning people who are high would be out. Walking the street. Driving. Going into stores, causing problems, being out of control of some of their actions. It's just not something that's publicly acceptable and it's dangerous for the safety and health of everyone.

And..in regards to the age at which they start..stating you started early doesn't prove that kids won't begin earlier. In fact, no one needs to prove that statement. If parents, teens, really anyone who was curious about trying it before but didn't because it was illegal go ahead and use it because now it's alright, that's going to influence kids and younger generations. So yeah, it'd start earlier.
well let me set a few things strait here on my last post. first, when i said normal, i meant normal stoners. sorry if i generalized all the non-smokers. second, hate to be the one to break it to you (not really i think its kind of funny) but there are already pipe cafes. most of them are for tobacco though. but there are also spots (that im not going to name due to legal reasons) where you can go to get marijuana and smoke freely. and also, it will still be illegal for kids. trust me. the legal age on it will probably be 21 or older (if its legalized). so there really shouldnt be a big difference in the age at which people try it. it may increase the amount of users overall, but it doesnt mean that they will be trying it younger.
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well let me set a few things strait here on my last post. first, when i said normal, i meant normal stoners. sorry if i generalized all the non-smokers. second, hate to be the one to break it to you (not really i think its kind of funny) but there are already pipe cafes. most of them are for tobacco though. but there are also spots (that im not going to name due to legal reasons) where you can go to get marijuana and smoke freely. and also, it will still be illegal for kids. trust me. the legal age on it will probably be 21 or older (if its legalized). so there really shouldnt be a big difference in the age at which people try it. it may increase the amount of users overall, but it doesnt mean that they will be trying it younger.
And like tobacco/cigarettes, depending on how young you're talking, the younger won't be stopped just because they're using the drug. They just won't be allowed to purchase it, like alcohol too. Plus, that's not something any kid should be exposed to growing up anyway.

Second, duh. Of course pipe cafes exist. It's not like I've never seen a movie before. They're just not going to spring up like McDonalds and be a normal site on the streets of everyday towns. Currently those that exist in the states are in the middle of nowhere or on the shady streets of big cities disguised as other things.

That also doesn't matter, because the people would still need to get to and from the places they use to smoke instead of doing it in their own homes. Still driving, still on the streets, still under the influence. It's just lame, dangerous, and unnecessary.


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just like taking a taxi when drunk...you should do the same when high. being responsible is nothing to be taken lightly. and to your comment about the pipe cafes: once again i hate to break it to you (not really) but they are almost anywhere. trust me. not just in shady streets and the middle of nowhere. there in towns and cities and there is more than likely one within a mile of you. they wont "pop up"...because they are already here man.....
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just like taking a taxi when drunk...you should do the same when high. being responsible is nothing to be taken lightly. and to your comment about the pipe cafes: once again i hate to break it to you (not really) but they are almost anywhere. trust me. not just in shady streets and the middle of nowhere. there in towns and cities and there is more than likely one within a mile of you. they wont "pop up"...because they are already here man.....
That doesn't make them right and no, from where I am, there aren't any "pipe cafes" just chilling around here. Maybe they're disguised as other things or operate during really odd hours of the night, but they aren't just there for everyone to see, nor would they be if it became legal. And drunks don't always take taxis, neither will potheads. People aren't always (or rather, aren't usually) responsible, that's very clear these days. Plus, if you don't truly hate to break it to me, then don't word it like that, just say what you want to say.

But it's not like I'm going to change your mind on the subject nor prove in one fell swoop that marijuana is hell on Earth (which is going too far, because it isn't, it's just not a good option to consider when you say "hey guys, what should we do Friday night?") There's plenty of other things to do and that's the point I'm sticking to. There's no need to respond to this one and I'd appreciate it if you didn't. Let's just allow the rest of PokéCommunity to state their yes, no, or maybes in this poll and discuss because it's pretty clear where the two of us stand on these matters.

I was stating alchohol simply because alchohol was used as a comparison, not a topic changer..
Didn't mean it in an accusing way, just meant you said way more about alcohol than marijuana. ;) Sorry about that.


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then dont count this as a reply....lets just leave this one at "agree to disagree"....im sure that someone else will come along and want to argue:D

and just to let u know, when i did the "i hate to break it to you" thing, i meant that in a funny way....just thought people might read it and say "ha" as they do. anyway thanks for the great argument, i really enjoyed it!!!:D:D:D