What Internet browser do you use? Page 3

Started by ShadowLeader April 11th, 2009 9:09 AM
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Which Internet Broweser is better?

Mexico
Seen July 23rd, 2010
Posted January 16th, 2010
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14.1 Years
I used Firefox before, but I saw on a forum (will not say which) a TON of good comments about Google Chrome. I downloaded it to try it, and I ran it. I was very impressed by its very fast startup speed. Also, it is VERY EASY to use, its logo is cool and original, it is very fast (it played a flash game at 50 FPS!) and it has some little details that make it awesome (I sometimes get tired of having to go through a menu in Firefox to open a tab, in Google Chrome, I just click the "+" button next to the right-most tab and I get a new tab opened!) This browser made me like "OMG! This is so fast and easy to use!"

I now 99% of the time use Chrome, and I only use Firefox for things that aren't compatible with Chrome.

I am not trying to advertise Google Chrome, but I recommend you trying it (it's now out of beta phase, I think.)
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I use Safari 4. I cannot think of any other browser that even comes close in my book. I do however have Camino as a back up browser for now, until firefox gets off their bums and finally integrates the Mac OS X gestures into the Mac version I really won't use it.
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The version I currently have on my computer is 3.0.8, and it's still there. :\
You must not do it the way I do it, then (I also have 3.0.8). I hold the mouse wheel down when I do it, and release when I'm done. It disappears at that. IE 7 doesn't go out of fast-scroll mode either, if you just click the mouse wheel instead of holding it. Same thing with version of Opera I've just tried (I have the newest one up for download online). From my experience, all three are identical in this regard.;)
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Posted July 11th, 2012
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14.6 Years
Everyone tells me not to, but I use IE. Purely because I've always used it, and never actually had any problems with it. o_o;

And because it was already there on the desktop when I bought my laptop, and I can't be bothered to download another browser.

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Internet Explorer 8, by far, has proven to me a much easier interface, much easier navigation, quicker, more secure, and more genuine. It is the only browser for me that works entirely with almost every site out there -- the only sites I have issues with are Mibbit (which I rarely use) and Facebook. Firefox has given me issues with MySpace, etc. and IE is the ONLY browser that will work for me with WYSIWYG. Also please tell me where everyone is getting that Firefox is so sleek fast n' sexy... FF2 was slower than IE6 and FF3 is hardly faster than IE7... much less IE8.

twocows

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Internet Explorer 8, by far, has proven to me a much easier interface, much easier navigation, quicker, more secure, and more genuine. It is the only browser for me that works entirely with almost every site out there -- the only sites I have issues with are Mibbit (which I rarely use) and Facebook. Firefox has given me issues with MySpace, etc. and IE is the ONLY browser that will work for me with WYSIWYG. Also please tell me where everyone is getting that Firefox is so sleek fast n' sexy... FF2 was slower than IE6 and FF3 is hardly faster than IE7... much less IE8.
FF3.1 beta is the fastest browser currently available; I've tested it personally against IE7, IE8, Opera 9, Opera 10 alpha build, Safari 3, Safari 4 beta, Google Chrome, and Google Chrome beta. The only one that comes close is the Google Chrome beta build, which is about even with FF3.1 in terms of speed.

As for security, IE is inherently easier to exploit for the simple reason that it allows ActiveX to run in the browser, a redundant technology that's very easy to abuse (redundant because anything it can do can be accomplished through other, more secure means).

If you prefer IE's interface, just use the Vista-aero skin and enable "Always show tabs menu" in the tabs section of the options; it'll look identical to IE.

If you run across a page that won't work in Firefox but does in IE, just use IE tab to view it. Know, however, that it isn't because Firefox is poorly designed that it can't display these pages, it's because the pages are poorly designed and don't conform to the W3 specifications. Many pages are designed to run on IE's flawed rendering engine (which, I concede, is significantly less flawed in IE8 than previous versions) instead of designed according to proper specifications, and thus will behave erratically on any browser except IE.

As for more "genuine," I have no clue what that's supposed to mean. If you mean it uses Windows "Genuine" technology, that's just marketing jargon that doesn't mean anything, other than Microsoft is associated with the program.

Everyone tells me not to, but I use IE. Purely because I've always used it, and never actually had any problems with it. o_o;

And because it was already there on the desktop when I bought my laptop, and I can't be bothered to download another browser.
This is an example of Microsoft abusing their power as an operating system vendor to reduce competition. This practice is being investigated in the EU, and if Microsoft is found guilty (which they have been multiple times for related charges), they could face huge fines and be forced to, for example, allow users to download a different browser upon Windows installation.
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Internet Explorer 8, by far, has proven to me a much easier interface, much easier navigation, quicker, more secure, and more genuine. It is the only browser for me that works entirely with almost every site out there -- the only sites I have issues with are Mibbit (which I rarely use) and Facebook. Firefox has given me issues with MySpace, etc. and IE is the ONLY browser that will work for me with WYSIWYG. Also please tell me where everyone is getting that Firefox is so sleek fast n' sexy... FF2 was slower than IE6 and FF3 is hardly faster than IE7... much less IE8.
Don't worry, the IE marketing is 3x more than Firefox.

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Mobile Tsk

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FF3.1 beta is the fastest browser currently available; I've tested it personally against IE7, IE8, Opera 9, Opera 10 alpha build, Safari 3, Safari 4 beta, Google Chrome, and Google Chrome beta. The only one that comes close is the Google Chrome beta build, which is about even with FF3.1 in terms of speed.

I'm sorry; I spewed my milk everywhere while laughing at that.

As for security, IE is inherently easier to exploit for the simple reason that it allows ActiveX to run in the browser, a redundant technology that's very easy to abuse (redundant because anything it can do can be accomplished through other, more secure means).

It always asks permission to run scripts, and it actually rarely uses ActiveX anymore. (Javascript, Flash, etc. do not require ActiveX)

If you prefer IE's interface, just use the Vista-aero skin and enable "Always show tabs menu" in the tabs section of the options; it'll look identical to IE.

I do prefer IE's interface, as well as its security and speed, so I'll just stick with IE.

If you run across a page that won't work in Firefox but does in IE, just use IE tab to view it. Know, however, that it isn't because Firefox is poorly designed that it can't display these pages, it's because the pages are poorly designed and don't conform to the W3 specifications. Many pages are designed to run on IE's flawed rendering engine (which, I concede, is significantly less flawed in IE8 than previous versions) instead of designed according to proper specifications, and thus will behave erratically on any browser except IE.

Again, I'm not nerfing speed, security and performance just to use the "sexiest browser alive".

As for more "genuine," I have no clue what that's supposed to mean. If you mean it uses Windows "Genuine" technology, that's just marketing jargon that doesn't mean anything, other than Microsoft is associated with the program.



This is an example of Microsoft abusing their power as an operating system vendor to reduce competition. This practice is being investigated in the EU, and if Microsoft is found guilty (which they have been multiple times for related charges), they could face huge fines and be forced to, for example, allow users to download a different browser upon Windows installation.
And how are they abusing power? The machines are THEIR intellectual property, with THEIR operating system... why aren't they allowed to put THEIR web browser on THEIR operating system? Apple does the same with Safari.

Archer

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Seen January 26th, 2020
Posted January 5th, 2020
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16.6 Years
Minefield (FF) 3.6a is just awesome when it comes to performance. I haven't had it crash on me yet, which is very encouraging for alpha software. The only downside is the lack of compatibility with some addons that I use, such as Speed Dial.

I personally find IE8 a real memory hog, but I'm not ready for an all-out browser flame war.
Safari 4 annoys me, because it stuffs up the interface with custom Windows themes. Plus I hate Tabs at the top. S3 was nice enough, why did they have to kill it?

Opera is a great reliable browser, imo. It's my back-up for if something happens to FF or if I'm updating FF. Chrome annoys me with it's poor layout and lack of features. Minefield's faster.

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Seen December 7th, 2009
Posted November 23rd, 2009
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14.4 Years
I use Internet Explorer because itz faster than most other Internet Broswers


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And how are they abusing power? The machines are THEIR intellectual property, with THEIR operating system... why aren't they allowed to put THEIR web browser on THEIR operating system? Apple does the same with Safari.
I did the testing personally on three Windows OSes (XP, Vista, and where possible, 7); the tests I ran included benchmarks and using each browser regularly for about two weeks. Note that I am not talking about Firefox 3.0.* in this instance, which I concede is slightly slower than IE8, but about the 3.1 beta using the redesigned JavaScript engine (only enabled by default in Firefox 3.1 beta 3 or Minefield builds).

My tests also showed that Firefox's memory imprint (sans addons) is significantly lower after continued usage than IE8's (sans additions), though IE8's is slightly lower at launch.

Testing security is significantly harder, so I didn't bother. I will, however, note that, on average, it takes Microsoft far longer to patch exploits with IE than it does Mozilla with Firefox, mostly due to Microsoft's update cycle (with the exception of critical vulnerabilities, updates are only released on their scheduled dates).

Feature-wise, IE8 improves a lot upon IE7, and it even beats out Google Chrome and Safari, whose feature sets are relatively limited. However, Firefox's addon library is still practically unbeatable, and Opera still manages to scrape by with its widgets and array of neat built-in features.

IE8 improves on IE7's HTML and CSS rendering, though it still allows webpages to be rendered as IE7 rendered them, which I admit is a good transitional step. However, it still fails in its interpretation of AJAX and other new technologies.

As for why Microsoft can't put their browser on their OS, primarily it's because it violates antitrust laws (there's an ongoing lawsuit claiming this and a number of other antitrust violations, though Microsoft has dragged it on for about a decade now). It's illegal because it stifles competition; for example, Netscape's market share began to decline once Microsoft started bundling IE with their new Windows 95 operating system.

Apple started bundling Safari with OS X because they saw Microsoft getting away with it and figured they could do the same. They're honestly no better, though obviously they'd claim otherwise.

twocows

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I mostly use firefox... there's too many IE vulnerabilities for me to trust it :( Does anyone still use netscape these days?
Yes, though the number is dwindling. Netscape is no longer supported by its parent company (essentially, it's "dead"), and an update urged users to either migrate to Mozilla Firefox or Flock.

Mobile Tsk

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As for why Microsoft can't put their browser on their OS, primarily it's because it violates antitrust laws (there's an ongoing lawsuit claiming this and a number of other antitrust violations, though Microsoft has dragged it on for about a decade now). It's illegal because it stifles competition; for example, Netscape's market share began to decline once Microsoft started bundling IE with their new Windows 95 operating system.

Apple started bundling Safari with OS X because they saw Microsoft getting away with it and figured they could do the same. They're honestly no better, though obviously they'd claim otherwise.
lol? You have to have some way to connect to the internet if you're to download another browser. Bundling Firefox with MS OS wouldn't be smart, or really fair either. Internet Explorer being bundled with MS' OS doesn't violate any antitrust laws. That's like saying Baskin Robbins can't bundle their ice cream cones with their ice cream. I'm sorry, twocows, your ice cream (along with your argument) is now on the floor.

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Posted April 13th, 2013
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As for why Microsoft can't put their browser on their OS, primarily it's because it violates antitrust laws (there's an ongoing lawsuit claiming this and a number of other antitrust violations, though Microsoft has dragged it on for about a decade now). It's illegal because it stifles competition; for example, Netscape's market share began to decline once Microsoft started bundling IE with their new Windows 95 operating system.

Apple started bundling Safari with OS X because they saw Microsoft getting away with it and figured they could do the same. They're honestly no better, though obviously they'd claim otherwise.
the only halfway decent proposal that could work for both system is to include a dialog (similar to that of the Windows Update window in Vista, now that it no longer requires IE) that pops up on the first run of the computer and asks the user which browser they would prefer and then downloads and installs the users choice.
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twocows

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lol? You have to have some way to connect to the internet if you're to download another browser. Bundling Firefox with MS OS wouldn't be smart, or really fair either. Internet Explorer being bundled with MS' OS doesn't violate any antitrust laws. That's like saying Baskin Robbins can't bundle their ice cream cones with their ice cream. I'm sorry, twocows, your ice cream (along with your argument) is now on the floor.
Don't bring it up with me, bring it up in the US and EU courts Microsoft is being sued in for this very reason.

the only halfway decent proposal that could work for both system is to include a dialog (similar to that of the Windows Update window in Vista, now that it no longer requires IE) that pops up on the first run of the computer and asks the user which browser they would prefer and then downloads and installs the users choice.
That's what's being proposed in the EU. Mozilla is against the idea, strangely, though they still support some sort of action be brought against Microsoft.

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Posted February 9th, 2014
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14.1 Years
Chrome is a bit buggy right now... or maybe it's just my computer.

Still, it's excellent, as UltraBlaziken has said. I used to hate the browser that I used loading for any amount of time (Firefox) but with Chrome, it's so much faster. Only thing is, it eats up resources like a Snorlax could when you want to have a gazillion tabs open. =(

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Posted June 14th, 2010
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14.1 Years
I've tried a ton; IE, Safari, Firefox, Chrome, but my favorite is Opera. IE was too slow, Firefox randomly closed too much, I had to install too many extras to get Safari to work right, and Opera was just right- plus, I love the home screen for new tabs.

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Posted January 23rd, 2013
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I use Safari because it's best on my Mac. I had been using Firefox for ages (back when I was one of those FIREFOX IS ANSWER TO ALL LIFE'S PROBLEMS people) and didn't move to Safari until Foxmarks was released for it. I do love Foxmarks. And AdBlock Plus.

On my PC, I use Firefox xD I ask my parents to use it, and installed AdBlock Plus on there for them too.
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