Ten Years Later...

Started by SamuraiMaster April 21st, 2009 5:19 AM
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So yesterday was the tenth anniversary of the Columbine HS Massacre.

Ten Years later, it seems as though it is really one of the biggest things that happened, especially here in Colorado. We got parents fighting for stricter gun control, and other related stuff like that.

COlumbine's legacy is ratehr mixed. I believe it is one of the most tragic events in our nation's history, but I also believe it is also an event that made possible a bunch of other stupid things.

THe most notable thing of this is a video game some idiot made called SUper Columbine Massacre RPG or something. You play the role of one of the shooters and well go shoot up the school in an old style video game. I still can't believe someone could make a video game of something so sad.

Anyone got any thoughts about that day?

What are you thinking about this right now?
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i was seven when it happened...and only recently heard about it (not kidding) and i think it is terrible...but if people want to turn it into another "guns are wrong thing" they are just making a new problem. Those guys were ****ed up in the head, and there is no changing that. taking guns away would just add to their crimes...i agree it is a sad event but it warrants better school security. Maybe a closed campus or something like that.

And I am very sorry for all of those who were affected by this tragic event. NO ONE should have to go through this. Hopefully after ten years people have begun to heal inside. And if not, maybe now is the time:)

Anyway thats all i have to say.
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Those guys were ****ed up in the head, and there is no changing that.
Oh, I heard they were bullied and tormented for the majority of their lives.

I hate that no one took anything from this incident, as with the above case. Sure, it was terrible, but I find it more terrible that everyone just pictures them as idiots with guns as opposed to what they actually went through and how it could have been prevented.
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Oh, I heard they were bullied and tormented for the majority of their lives.

I hate that no one took anything from this incident, as with the above case. Sure, it was terrible, but I find it more terrible that everyone just pictures them as idiots with guns as opposed to what they actually went through and how it could have been prevented.
No they weren't. I saw a documentary on it. Apparently they were actually very popular in school. Which is why it was such a shock. And I never said that they were idiots with guns, I said that they were crazy guys with guns. Big difference.
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No they weren't. I saw a documentary on it. Apparently they were actually very popular in school. Which is why it was such a shock. And I never said that they were idiots with guns, I said that they were crazy guys with guns. Big difference.
Uh, no. They were geeks and goths, and had a circle of friends, but they were far from being very popular. Harris spent most of his free time making DOOM levels.

And, wow. You are a pig to think they were crazy. They were normal teenagers, just like you and I.

Read this.

FBI analysis

In July 1999, the FBI organized a major summit on school shooters in Leesburg, Virginia. Attending were psychologists, psychiatrists, and representatives from each of the recent school shootings, including a large Columbine contingent. Attorney General Janet Reno was also in attendance. The FBI eventually published a major report on school shooters, though it steered clear of causes on any individual case.[27]
However, on the fifth anniversary of Columbine, the FBI's lead Columbine investigator and several psychiatrists went public with their conclusions in a news article.[28] There they argued Harris was a clinical psychopath and Klebold was depressive. They believed the plan was masterminded by Harris, who they thought had a messianic-level superiority complex and hoped to illustrate his massive superiority to the world.
More recently, a US psychiatrist, Jerald Block, has differed with this opinion, arguing that the killers' actions are not well explained by such diagnoses. Rather, he states that Klebold and Harris were immersed in games like Doom and that their lives were most gratifying while playing in the virtual. As they got into trouble, the two teenagers started to get their computer access restricted. Anger that was being projected into the games was now unleashed into the real world. In addition, the computer restrictions opened up substantial amounts of idle time that would have otherwise gone towards their online activities. They increasingly used that time to express their anger and their antisocial tendencies likewise increased. This, in turn, generated more restrictions. Finally, immediately after being arrested and banned from their computers for about a month, the two teens became homicidal and began documenting plans to attack the school. Of note, Block also writes that the plan to attack the school first appears in Klebold's writings, and that Klebold may have considered using a different partner-in-crime than Harris. That person's name was redacted by the police from Klebold's diary.[24]
Oh yeah, lets just slap on the title psychopath to anyone who kills someone else, because there's obviously something wrong in their head. WRONG.

In fact, I can relate to them in many ways, because my behavior is surprisingly similar to theirs (I just don't think killing anyone is worth the trouble). I use violent video games to get rid of my rage, and I'm a generally angry person and kind of anti-social. So I'm a psychopath? If that's the case, you can screw right off. Ever heard of testosterone, ADHD and (mild) autism? There's a huge difference between a psychopath and myself. Psychopaths are people who lure people into the basement of their homes, torture them and eat their flesh, or rape little children. Shooting someone is relatively common (gangs, wars, etc.), whereas stuff real psychopaths do is generally sick and twisted.
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Uh, no. They were geeks and goths, and had a circle of friends, but they were far from being very popular. Harris spent most of his free time making DOOM levels.

And, wow. You are a pig to think they were crazy. They were normal teenagers, just like you and I.

Read this.

Oh yeah, lets just slap on the title psychopath to anyone who kills someone else, because there's obviously something wrong in their head. WRONG.

In fact, I can relate to them in many ways, because my behavior is surprisingly similar to theirs (I just don't think killing anyone is worth the trouble). I use violent video games to get rid of my rage, and I'm a generally angry person and kind of anti-social. So I'm a psychopath? If that's the case, you can screw right off. Ever heard of testosterone, ADHD and (mild) autism? There's a huge difference between a psychopath and myself. Psychopaths are people who lure people into the basement of their homes, torture them and eat their flesh, or rape little children. Shooting someone is relatively common (gangs, wars, etc.), whereas stuff real psychopaths do is generally sick and twisted.
well all i am saying is that i saw a documentary on it like two years ago. that was the first time i ever heard of it. and that was what the documentary said. and about the crazy thing, you have to be crazy to want to kill someone. maybe not in the extreme sense but yes there has to be something unhealthy going on in your head. something is wrong if you really genuinely try to kill someone. if something is wrong with you then you need some help. if those guys had got help they may not have done what they did.
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well all i am saying is that i saw a documentary on it like two years ago. that was the first time i ever heard of it. and that was what the documentary said. and about the crazy thing, you have to be crazy to want to kill someone. maybe not in the extreme sense but yes there has to be something unhealthy going on in your head. something is wrong if you really genuinely try to kill someone. if something is wrong with you then you need some help. if those guys had got help they may not have done what they did.
Well, there's a lot of "if"s in life. Like, if they weren't socially shunned or whatnot, they might have not gotten so deep into video games (it's safe to say they were addicted), etc. I suppose an addiction to violence in video game to the point where if you don't play them, you end up taking your violence out on others could be classified as something wrong in the head, but it's not psychopathy. In fact, it's nothing more than emotion overtaking them (anger). And when you're mad, you say/do stupid things, right? In that case, we all have something wrong with ourselves. Anger.

Everybody needs to release their anger, and some people have more anger than others. Playing violent video games (not like hack and slash, gore flying everywhere btw, I'm talking CoD4, Halo, etc.) soothes me, and I can only assume that's the effect it had on them too. Them getting in trouble, being removed from the games, and the continuous social torment they were exposed to (fact: they were often called gay, etc.) built up the anger to a really unsafe level.

Have to be crazy to kill someone? No way. Take a look at gang members, they aren't crazy, but a form of anger throws them over the edge.
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Its a sad thing.. I've never heard about that video game though, what a sick freak; that guy is who made it. The internet is full of.. ugh..

Though I do have to say I strongly disagree on the "you have to be crazy to kill someone" post, there can be many reasons.. I'm definitely not justifying murder, but you're not automatically crazy or have to be crazy.

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Well, there's a lot of "if"s in life. Like, if they weren't socially shunned or whatnot, they might have not gotten so deep into video games (it's safe to say they were addicted), etc. I suppose an addiction to violence in video game to the point where if you don't play them, you end up taking your violence out on others could be classified as something wrong in the head, but it's not psychopathy. In fact, it's nothing more than emotion overtaking them (anger). And when you're mad, you say/do stupid things, right? In that case, we all have something wrong with ourselves. Anger.

Everybody needs to release their anger, and some people have more anger than others. Playing violent video games (not like hack and slash, gore flying everywhere btw, I'm talking CoD4, Halo, etc.) soothes me, and I can only assume that's the effect it had on them too. Them getting in trouble, being removed from the games, and the continuous social torment they were exposed to (fact: they were often called gay, etc.) built up the anger to a really unsafe level.

Have to be crazy to kill someone? No way. Take a look at gang members, they aren't crazy, but a form of anger throws them over the edge.
i agree. anger can be taken out in many healthy ways and maybe an addiction to video games could cause something like this. i do say that gang members are crazy, but that is a whole other can of worms.
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Its a sad thing.. I've never heard about that video game though, what a sick freak; that guy is who made it. The internet is full of.. ugh..

Though I do have to say I strongly disagree on the "you have to be crazy to kill someone" post, there can be many reasons.. I'm definitely not justifying murder, but you're not automatically crazy or have to be crazy.
Actually, the video game isn't even made for the purpose of killing or crap, and you should read about it, it's fairly interesting.

He was inspired to create a video game about Columbine by his own experience being bullied and the effect the shooting had on his life. The game represents a critique of how traditional media sensationalized the shooting (in particular the role of video games), as well as parodying video games themselves.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Columbine_Massacre_RPG!
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It was sad, it was a horrible event, everyone still remembers it today, yadayadayada.
Sure it was bad, but there are others issues today. Don't you think that by continuing to talk about it non-stop and recognizing anniversaries is to make sure the kids got what they wanted? They wanted attention, we're giving it to them.

Let's make sure these things don't happen, rather than discussing things that have passed.
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It was sad, it was a horrible event, everyone still remembers it today, yadayadayada.
Sure it was bad, but there are others issues today. Don't you think that by continuing to talk about it non-stop and recognizing anniversaries is to make sure the kids got what they wanted? They wanted attention, we're giving it to them.

Let's make sure these things don't happen, rather than discussing things that have passed.
I'd much rather discuss and clear up misconceptions on the issue rather than have people be so narrow minded and think that video games make you kill people, that guns are bad, that the person who made the RPG is an idiot and a sick person, etc..

And also, they're dead, so there's no recognition of us giving them any attention, so we technically aren't giving them any attention. ;)
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Right, those are important things to talk about, but it doesn't do anything to talk about how horrible the event was, it only opens old wounds to people who had to deal with that.


They still do get recognition, whenever we recognize what happened. That is what they wanted, and it doesn't matter whether they're dead or not. Plenty of these school shooters and people who do shocking things kill themselves after a massacre, but they still know they will be remembered. As the old saying goes: "No press is bad press."
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Right, those are important things to talk about, but it doesn't do anything to talk about how horrible the event was, it only opens old wounds to people who had to deal with that.


They still do get recognition, whenever we recognize what happened. That is what they wanted, and it doesn't matter whether they're dead or not. Plenty of these school shooters and people who do shocking things kill themselves after a massacre, but they still know they will be remembered. As the old saying goes: "No press is bad press."
Well, we're going to remember either way (the generation that was alive at the time), but it will fade away over time.

Also, I'm trying to steer the thread away from just remembering to actually talking about the issues. Threads for remembering are pointless, as every reply would just be "It was horrible.", etc. This event has so much depth to it though, that there's plenty to talk about.
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Yeah, I agree, this thread should be... uhh... maybe zoomed out a bit? To make it a bit more general, as whenever some event is explicitly mentioned, it is sure to turn into a thread for remembrance. Talking about the deeper issues is a good direction for this thread.
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Yeah, our SS teacher informed about it yesterday.
And the horrible part?
When our teacher announced. "Today is the anniversary for the Columbine HS Massacre." This guy in the back said, "Yay!" O-O
Either there was something serious wrong with his mind, or he apparently didn't know what the word 'massacre' meant.

The guy involved in the shooting was just psychologically depressed, it's a dangerous thing when it goes so far.

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It just goes to show you. If you pick on some kid day after day after day, they'd probably pull a stunt like that. I hope that doesn't happen to me or anyone else I know, doing something like that is your last option and you have nowhere else to go.

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To whoever said I should read that wikipedia article.

I don't care what that guy's incentive was or anything.

You just don't make video games out of tragedys like this! It's not human! I don't care what the guys incentive was, or what his influence behind the whole thing was,it's a horrible thing! Period! You don't make video games of something as tragic as this! When it first came out, I remember it got so much critisism simply because it was based on the Colombine Massacre.
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To whoever said I should read that wikipedia article.

I don't care what that guy's incentive was or anything.

You just don't make video games out of tragedys like this! It's not human! I don't care what the guys incentive was, or what his influence behind the whole thing was,it's a horrible thing! Period! You don't make video games of something as tragic as this! When it first came out, I remember it got so much critisism simply because it was based on the Colombine Massacre.
He was inspired to create a video game about Columbine by his own experience being bullied and the effect the shooting had on his life. The game represents a critique of how traditional media sensationalized the shooting (in particular the role of video games), as well as parodying video games themselves.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Columbine_Massacre_RPG!

Shall I mention he went to a school neighboring Columbine? Read the article before posting your crap. His game was a form of expression (and no, it's not about going around killing) and was a perfectly legitimate way to criticize the media's portrayal of video games being the cause for killing and whatnot. Do not reply until you read the article.

And you don't care about the incentive? Well, then you are a narrow minded fool and should be punished for your insolence. It's like defending the US government blindly without knowing the facts about Guantanamo Bay. Or defending Stalin without knowing any of the terrible things he did to the Soviet Union. It's also like saying Lenin was a terrible person, when you have no idea how much he actually helped shape and change Russia. Know you facts before you spew out meaningless words.

It wasn't even a real game. It was a game made in RPG Maker, fyi. It's not like someone made an FPS of Columbine.
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