How America sees the world. Page 2

Started by True Reign May 1st, 2009 5:48 PM
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Whoa there buster. Keep the partisanship out of this. I don't consider myself conservative nor liberal, since both sides can be rather silly at times. My point is simply to call out the pointless bashing of America. There isn't a need for me to grace your rude comments with much more reply.

That aside your so called 'Funny, facetious comment' was a little over the top.
I'd like to see some sources backing you up on that comment regarding isolationism. If you can cite something civilly, that'd be wonderful.
It's you who should be citing how American isolationism is responsible for WWII - just about every high-school American History textbook says otherwise. No sane historian would ever say that American isolationism is responsible for WWII.

In my opinion, the US would be better off today intervening less in world affairs, since our efforts to mold other parts of the world into our likeness arouse nothing but Anti-American sentiment. You claim you're not a conservative, but yours is exactly the point John McCain made in the Presidential debate a year and a half ago.


The reason people bash America is because a considerable percentage of the population of it is so profoundly misinformed, and have mind-bogglingly erroneous beliefs.

In addition, selfish partisanship is different from pointing out when one school of thought is just plain wrong.

Read The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich by Will Shirer. I don't think he mentions American isolationism once as a reason for Hitler coming to power. Not once.

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It's you who should be citing how American isolationism is responsible for WWII - just about every high-school American History textbook says otherwise.

The reason people bash America is because a large population of it is so profoundly misinformed.
I asked for you to cite a source. Not size three text claiming what is in the textbooks

The bashing is uncalled for nonetheless. It is true some people are misinformed. I blame the media. However there's not much one can do about it. It's not likely to change overnight. This I'm sure you are aware of.
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I asked for you to cite a source. Not size three text claiming what is in the textbooks

The bashing is uncalled for nonetheless. It is true some people are misinformed. I blame the media. However there's not much one can do about it. It's not likely to change overnight. This I'm sure you are aware of.
There isn't any literature on anyone even considering isolationism to be responsible for WWII, and thus, no literature to say otherwise. As I said though, the book on Nazi Germany says nothing about American isolationism contributing to Hitler's rise to power.

The burden of proof is on you.

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It's you who should be citing how American isolationism is responsible for WWII - just about every high-school American History textbook says otherwise. No sane historian would ever say that American isolationism is responsible for WWII.

In my opinion, the US would be better off today intervening less in world affairs, since our efforts to mold other parts of the world into our likeness arouse nothing but Anti-American sentiment. You claim you're not a conservative, but yours is exactly the point John McCain made in the Presidential debate a year and a half ago.


The reason people bash America is because a considerable percentage of the population of it is so profoundly misinformed, and have mind-bogglingly erroneous beliefs.

In addition, selfish partisanship is different from pointing out when one school of thought is just plain wrong.

Read The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich by Will Shirer. I don't think he mentions American isolationism once as a reason for Hitler coming to power. Not once.
Wonderful edit. Were you trying to make me look silly? XD

Anyways. the big text and red text don't change a single thing. Your source, while it seems reputable, does nothing to prove your case outwardly. How about putting some backbone into Googling an answer and actually find something from a reputable website such as Wikipedia or something comparable.

I don't give two figs about your opinion. It is worthless to me.

There isn't any literature on anyone even considering isolationism to be responsible for WWII, and thus, no literature to say otherwise. As I said though, the book on Nazi Germany says nothing about American isolationism contributing to Hitler's rise to power.

The burden of proof is on you.
And so then, it's your word against mine. XD

The fact that isolationism is not mentioned, does not mean it could not have been a factor.
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I, honestly, have no clue why those two arrows are putting out into nowhere.
Commies are communists.

This thread is worthless.

We all know America sees America as king. We enforce our eco-loving attitudes on the second-world countries, who just want to be like us, but with all this eco-crap, they can't afford be like us. We also push it on the third-world countries, who are just trying to get by. We're the ones that are screwing up their environment anyway. But without us, your world would be a LOT crappier than it already is.
If this thread is worthless than why post here? This was supposed to be a funny thread where it just shows how America sees the world. If this arguement continues, I'll have a moderator close this thread.
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Wonderful edit. Were you trying to make me look silly? XD

Anyways. the big text and red text don't change a single thing. Your source, while it seems reputable, does nothing to prove your case outwardly. How about putting some backbone into Googling an answer and actually find something from a reputable website such as Wikipedia or something comparable.

I don't give two figs about your opinion. It is worthless to me.



And so then, it's your word against mine. XD

The fact that isolationism is not mentioned, does not mean it could not have been a factor.
Then I hope that you just realize two things:

1) No one but you and John McCain argue the point that isolationism is responsible for WWII.

2) Thus, since virtually no one makes that claim, there is no need for any scholar to explicitly state that it isn't true. THis makes it impossible for anyone to cite literature saying "American Isolationism is not the cause of World War II".

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Then I hope that you just realize two things:

1) No one but you and John McCain argue the point that isolationism is responsible for WWII.

2) Thus, since virtually no one makes that claim, there is no need for any scholar to explicitly state that it isn't true. THis makes it impossible for anyone to cite literature saying "American Isolationism is not the cause of World War II".
First, I've never actually said Isolationism is the ONLY cause of WWII, I merely stated, it was one of the causes.

Second, it's not impossible. :3 I've got firsthand word from several reliable people, who grew up in the post WWII era who believe the same thing I do. Because the US stayed out of the fray, WWII occurred. Had the US taken proactive measures against the Axis powers early on, it would have simply been a war on a much smaller scale. I do not believe there is a scholar alive that would not affirm that if the US had been involved earlier that WWII would have been much smaller.

Third, I've studied longer and more in-depth than you have on the subject. Your lack of sources tells me that you simply are unable to back your claim. Sorry kid, that's the rules of debate. :3

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Yeah, a lot of Americans can be biased towards other countries. The kids are educated with a lot of how America is so good, when they never get to see what's so good about the other countries. And that's part of the reason why America is sort of "elitist", in a way. I like the images. :P
Then I hope that you just realize two things:

1) No one but you and John McCain argue the point that isolationism is responsible for WWII.

2) Thus, since virtually no one makes that claim, there is no need for any scholar to explicitly state that it isn't true. THis makes it impossible for anyone to cite literature saying "American Isolationism is not the cause of World War II".
WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING

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strange, i dont see anything wrong here. wait, now i do. nope, still dont. oh well.

but seriously, it seems like a lot of you think that America actually thinks this. while it may be somewhat true (ok, maybe a little more than somewhat) big deal. its an opinion. want to change it? become president, pull the military out of all of the other countries, and put everyone in a re-education center and teach them to get along with other people. wait, you cant do that. so get over it. or try to talk to people and explain it.
also, for the record, i think that that map is funnier n' hell! and man with the wet kitty avatar, i agree!

Then I hope that you just realize two things:

1) No one but you and John McCain argue the point that isolationism is responsible for WWII.

2) Thus, since virtually no one makes that claim, there is no need for any scholar to explicitly state that it isn't true. THis makes it impossible for anyone to cite literature saying "American Isolationism is not the cause of World War II".
Stop assuming things. And why do you have to make everything into a heated debate? It seems everywhere I go you are aggressively arguing with people (including me once or twice). So do yourself a favor and stop before you get banned. Just some friendly advice.

PS: I also think that isolationism helped start WWII. And so do many of my friends.
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Okay, since your point is so widely accepted, why don't you cite just one written, scholarly source saying "American isolationism was a cause of WWII and/or Hitler's rise to power". Because apparently the most successful book on the history Nazi Germany
is not a good enough source to support my argument.

If you guys (shadow and Pachy) can do that, I will leave PC for good.
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Okay, since your point is so widely accepted, why don't you cite just one written, scholarly source saying "American isolationism was a cause of WWII and/or Hitler's rise to power". Because apparently the most successful book on the history Nazi Germany
is not a good enough source to support my argument.

If you guys (shadow and Pachy) can do that, I will leave PC for good.
Reported. Stop spamming my thread.
That book you keep claiming is your source...has nothing to do with the causes of WWII. All it covers is GERMANY! There were three axis powers in WWII, all of which decided to chip in and try to split the world among themselves.
Yay for Italy, Japan, and Germany, lol.

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On the topic of the image posted at the beginning: I really don't think there are any high-school educated Americans who actually see the world like that, although it does seem to be the case some of the time. Frankly, there are a lot of Americans who do see the rest of the world as "less than," which would lead to this stereotype.

Also, I do fail to see how the U.S. not doing anything caused Hitler to rise to power, invade Poland, and start WWII. I wouldn't say I'm very educated on the topic, so if you can show me why I'm wrong then go for it.

Isolationism, according to Dictionary.com, is:

the policy or doctrine of isolating one's country from the affairs of other nations by declining to enter into alliances, foreign economic commitments, international agreements, etc., seeking to devote the entire efforts of one's country to its own advancement and remain at peace by avoiding foreign entanglements and responsibilities.
Some people here seem to be mixing up "going to war to stop war" with what isolationism actually is.

Sure, maybe we could have declared war on Germany before they declared war on us, so then we would send our troops over... oh wait, so apparently non-isolationism causes war too. Which is basically what we did in Iraq. If you think it was somehow America's responsibility to stop Hitler before we even knew what he was capable of doing, then it was also Britain and the USSR's responsibility as well, being superpowers themselves at the time.

The point is war is stupid, and American isolationism did not cause/start the second World War in any way. I would say the causes of WWII were extreme inflation coupled with low German moral after WWI, which was caused by an innefective peace treaty after WWI (forcing the German people to pay for the entire war).

Also, don't get so flustered Richard Wagner, it's simply a debate on the interwebz, no hard feelings.

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Okay, since your point is so widely accepted, why don't you cite just one written, scholarly source saying "American isolationism was a cause of WWII and/or Hitler's rise to power". Because apparently the most successful book on the history Nazi Germany
is not a good enough source to support my argument.

If you guys (shadow and Pachy) can do that, I will leave PC for good.
Did you read what I wrote? I said "I also think that isolationism helped start WWII. And so do many of my friends." I never said anything about it helping Hitler rise to power nor did I say that it was a fact. Thats an OPINION. An opinion that I and some friends and teachers of mine discussed and agreed upon. But if it bothers you that much, I'll make sure to get it published somehow:D OK? Ok:D

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That's funny, i could have sworn the title was "How America sees the world" Apparently, its actually "Did Isolationism help cause WWII?" Here's an idea - if you want to debate about something unrelated to the topic, then maybe make another thread.